I just wanted to share a bit of good news because it never hurts - I just scored my first 174 on a 5 section, timed practice test! I started with a diagnostic of 155 in February 2017. For the past few weeks, I had been only scoring around an average of 168. Also, granted,this test was a retake, I took this PT in March 2017 and didn't BR at all and just tossed it aside after grading. This was during my stupid phase of "do as many PTs as possible" (10/10 would not recommend this). In short, this sudden increase has shown me what I am capable of. So thank you 7sage for providing such a comprehensive curriculum and thanks to all the community members for providing your expertise and support! Only excited for whats ahead. :)
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I would take it in June if you want to ensure that September will go as smoothly as possible. Even though it will be more expensive, there is nothing that can simulate the test day feeling besides actually participating in test day. I would not go in with the expectation that you'll nail it in June, but take it so you can experience what you'll face (and hopefully crush) in September.
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Does anyone remember the order of the RC passages? Keep seeing different orders from people recapping the test and it's making me nervous. I remember:
Two concepts on women's rights
2/3: Belize/Sports and art (can't remember which was second/third)
4: Complexity Theory
The RC was 1. Women's rights (De Gouget), 2. Art and Sports Aesthetic (comparative) 3. Belize Indigenous rights and logging and 4. Complexity theory is better than the theory of Everything (subatomic particles)
@ Yes, the LSAC emailed me on Wednesday afternoon with the new date and the new test center location. I think these decisions are being made by each cancelled test center, because a friend who was also going to test at USF got that email. I would definitely give them a call if they haven't informed you by now, just in case!
I just received word from LSAC that our test is being rescheduled to December 1st and it will be an undisclosed test. Hope you all received some news too! Do you guys think it'll be an older February test, or a "version" of the November test?
Does anyone know which test will be administered as a make up test for those test centers that were closed? An undisclosed February test or the same November test?
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Spoke to the LSAC office today we should hear something by weeks end when the make up exam will be. They said we will take the same test and will get the scores the same time as everyone else. Hope that helps. How are you studying? Self study or tutor etc? We get a little extra time to prepare!
Hi! Thank you for calling and letting us know. My test center (USF) got cancelled as well on Saturday. Isn't it kinda crazy that they will give us the same test even though there is so much information out there about it already?
I was supposed to take the November administration on Saturday at University of San Francisco, but due to half the state being on fire, the testing center cancelled the test. Wondering if anyone knows what kind of test will be administered as the make up test, how to best prep for it? I've heard past undisclosed Feb tests are usually given as make up tests, but am wondering if it will be a 70's test from 2015 or an 80's one from last year?
wow you're the best! Thank you so much @
Hi 7sagers,
I need some advice on what to do when you've used all practice tests. I will be taking the LSAT for the third time in June. I have finished CC, fool proofed games 1-35, and taken tests 35 to the latest one that is available to us. I have been retaking the 70's PTs as a benchmark, but I am not sure if I can trust the accuracy of the scores I am getting from tests that I have already taken before. Any thoughts?
Hey all, this may not be the right place to post this but our test center closed because of terrible air quality in SF. Does anyone know/have any predictions what test they may use for our rescheduled test and when it may be?
USF just closed too :/ we got the email 30 mins before the start of the test lmao
I've seen multiple responses in multiple posts about this question so I just wanted to corral all advice in this post based on my particular stats. I will take the LSAT in November and have a 166 on file with a 3.4 GPA. PT'ing around 172 and hoping to hit at least a 169. If my application is ready to go before scores are released, is it advisable to submit and indicate that I am re-taking in November, or to wait until I get my score and then submit? I will likely blanket T-14.
Hi 7Sagers,
I will be taking the July test next Monday. In my last few PT's, my scores have dropped from around 170 to 168, 167, 165. Previously I was averaging around 170. The last test I took was PT 84 and blind reviewed yesterday. To my dismay it was a 162. The tests I have taken over the past few months have been a combination of 40's and 50's tests and retakes of PT 60-83 as I have ran out of fresh new material. I believed PT 84 would be a good gauge of test day performance since it's a fresh test and so new. Now that I have seen this consistent drop I am unsure of my test taking ability and don't know what to do, resulting in major panic mode. I also work full time in addition to studying. I've been advised to stop studying altogether until the day of the test to prevent further burnout, but I am afraid to stop exercising my LSAT brain muscle a week before test day. Any advice is appreciated.
Hey 7Sagers! I took the July administration as my third take, and scored a 166. I was PT-ing around 170 before the test, so I think I may have a decent chance of scoring at least a 169 in my next take, which would be November. I was wondering what is the better strategy: applying early (September) with a 166/3.4 GPA or re-taking in November and potentially scoring a 169, but then applying later in the cycle (early December when scores come out). My goal is to land at least a T-14, but more than happy to go to T-20 with scholly money. I am not a URM but a female Pakistani immigrant working in immigration law. Any advice is appreciated!
Would also recommend calling.The LSAC website says a test center in Folsom and Pleasant Hill closed due to the fire. I am testing at USF and refreshing the page constantly
Hi all! Is anyone planning on going to the WCC Law fair held in SF this weekend?
Also, few general law fair questions: Is this a biz casual affair or am I pulling a Jessica from Suits? Should I bring my resume? What type of questions do they expect candidates to ask? If you went to a law fair, was it helpful for you? And most importantly, do they give out fee waivers at the table?
@ When you say 1.5 years cumulative, about how much would you say you study per day? Have you made your way through all of the Ultimate+ material including all the practice tests?
I've got about 8 months to study at about 4 hours a day and am wondering if it'll be enough. I know it varies from person to person, but I'm interested in seeing what others find to be the right amount.
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So since I am working 40-45 hours a week, I can only do about 2-3 hours of studying per week day and then 10 hours over the weekend. In total I can average 20 hours of studying in a good week. On bad weeks its more like 15 hours. Which is why it took me more than a year to have a 15 point increase from my diagnostic to my average score. I think that if you can do 4 hours per day, you are going to be in excellent shape in 8 months! I wish I could have quit my job to dedicate 4-5 hours to LSAT per day, unfortunately that wasn't an option for me. That being said, I do think its the quality of your studying rather than a certain amount of hours that you need to hit. Just focus on learning concepts, testing your understanding and then reviewing your mistakes. So if you can study very efficiently in those four hours each day,you'll be just fine.
Also, I am 90 percent through the Ultimate + material and have done all 83 available practice tests. I made the mistake of blowing through them quickly when I was preparing to take the last two official tests and sincerely regret it. If you're just starting out your studies, just be sure to go through them slowly and squeeze every last drop of knowledge out of them.
Hey there, so I usually get up from -1 to -3 on RC, and I've been studying for about 1.5 years in cumulative. However, my biggest jump from RC came when I started reading regularly outside of LSAT studies, also known as reading for fun. I like to read on my commute back and forth from work, totaling about 40 minutes per day. On weekends I would read 1.5-2 hours total. I usually would read any where from self help books to articles from The Economist to Political Fiction/Nonfiction. Currently I am reading The New Jim Crow. I think extracurricular reading has everything to do with speed and accuracy on RC as it trains you to retain focus. I wish I had started reading much earlier in my LSAT studies instead of trying to force myself to practice on passages which I had no interest. Now, after reading books I actually enjoy outside of my studies, I can push myself to focus on LSAT passages and pretend I care about the details.
Hey sberg2014,
It's absolutely exhausting to work 40 hours a week (and maybe more for others) and then come home and study. However, I have found that I am extra efficient with my time, since there is such a time crunch (testing in June), that I can only devote myself to one other thing, the LSAT. I have also found that if I study at my office, I am much more likely to not want to crawl into bed and pass out.
My typical study schedule during the work week involves coming in an hour before work to study, and review parts of the core curriculum where my foundation is a bit shaky. Then during my lunch break hour, I take a timed section and blind review. Then in the evening, I stay an additional hour after work to go over questions I missed even after BR. If in the rare occasion there are no questions to review, then I go over games that have given me a hard time or go back to the CC and review more material.
On weekends I go the library and take a practice test on Saturday and BR, then do post BR review that evening. And then do same exact thing on Sunday. However on weekend evenings I take a bubble bath and self care to the max and watch some TV and order in.
As you can see, I have literally no life, but I do think it will be worth it.
I may or may not have teared up several times while watching this, but can confirm I will carry his message wherever I end up.
After about 1.5 years of studying and working FT, I've managed to get average of -3/-4 in every section, consistently. (RC :-4, LR: -3/-4, LG: -4). Averaging around 166/167 and hoping to hit 170 by July. I fool proofed games from PT 15-35 and have taken PT36 - PT 83 at least once each. I don't really believe PT 15 and below hold much value, as the test has changed so drastically since 1995, but I may be mistaken. What is the best plan of attack for increasing my score by those last few points? Any advice and recommendations are greatly appreciated!
@ Totally! Feel free to do so, happy to help.
Hi @, I took the diagnostic in February 2017 and scored the 166 in July 2018. However it could've been a much faster timeline if I wasn't working full time and sometimes overtime. If you can set aside three to four months to dedicate 6 hours a day to the test, I am sure you can get to your desired score much faster. Non-urm means non under represented minority. URM's are American Indians, Alaskan Natives, African Americans/Blacks, Mexican Americans and Puerto Ricans.
Hi 7sagers,
I've taken every PT from PT 20 - PT 83 because I've been studying since December 2016. In order to keep studying, I've started re-taking PTs and am scoring substantially higher than when I first took them. This can obviously be attributed to the fact that they're retakes but I am not sure if I can entirely trust these high scores to reflect on test day. At this point I am going to take the test either in July or September as my 3rd take. Essentially what I'm wondering is, how much can I trust these PT scores? It is frustrating that I don't have a single fresh test to check my "true" progress, but I need to work with what I have. I could also take the PT's 20 and under, but I've heard the test has changed so much (gotten harder) since 1996 that I am unsure if that would also be a true reflection of my testing ability. Btw: I am aiming for 170 on the actual test and in these retakes I am hitting 168-170 consistently. Any input and advice is appreciated!
Hey @, thanks for your response. I agree, but I've been deceived in the past by this tricky tricky test. I was PT-ing at a 165 average before the February test, and ended up scoring a 158. Not quite sure what happened, but I feel dubious that PT scores accurately reflect test day score. I do think test taking anxiety may have played a role in February. That being said, my PT average is at 170 right now, doing 5 sections and all. So I am debating whether I should go ahead and take it in July or wait until I hit 173 consistently to take the test. July will be my third take.
I am trying to assess my readiness for the July exam, and want to know the range I should be scoring in if I want to get a 170 on the actual LSAT. I've heard people say +3 points from the score you are aiming for, but others say at least +5.
UVA just sent a fee waiver! Quite surprised to receive one from them but my wallet is smiling
Another one of these! I want to thank 7sage for their fantastic LSAT curriculum, the admissions course and 7Sage Editors who helped me produce the best piece of writing I have ever crafted. I also want to thank everyone who posted such helpful advice in the discussion posts, you have all formed such a powerful and uplifting community. 7Sage is one of the main reasons that I am headed to law school at all so I wanted to put one of these grateful posts out here. For quick reference, my diagnostic was a 150 and my LSAT journey was 158, 158, 166, 163 (lol). 3.4 and non-URM. I'd love to give back in any way I can, so please feel free to post or PM if you have any questions re LSAT, applications, UCLA, etc.
Hi 7sagers: Is it important to include all work experience, such as a summer sales associate position in the "employment" section of the applications? I am wondering if I can omit because if I include these positions on the app, that would mean I would need to include it on my resume. I also want to add that I continuously emphasize in my application that I came from a low socio economic background so I worked since I was 16 years old. Therefore I think it would be weird if I didn't back this claim up on my resume. Currently I am at 2 pages on my resume and I don't want it to be any longer. Any advice is appreciated.
Is it necessary/advised to list your study abroad school's name under "Education" in law schools' LSAC application, even though I didn't receive a separate transcript? The 4 month study abroad program was offered by my school and so the grades were converted from the institution's scale to my school's grading scale.
Hey there! Wishing you best of luck and hoping that you get the outcome you wish for. I am so inspired to read about your magnificent 10 point increase. I, too am hoping for that bump from my feb score to when I re-take in June. Can I ask your study plan in the span of those 3 months and how you managed to pull that off? You can DM me if you feel comfortable.