Hello all, I hope September went well for all the LSAT test takers out there. I have been having a bit of a "mindset" issue lately if you will. As for everybody, studying for the LSAT is accompanied by highs and lows within the study process. I have been pretty good at keeping a positive mindset but lately whenever I think of the big picture as a whole and where I want to be and where I am at now I start to question whether I have what it takes and if I really CAN pull it off and I guess my question is how do you guys keep a positive mindset? I find it a lot easier to study when I am positive but lately it's been pretty easy to doubt myself and if I can even make it. Any tips or suggestions would really be appreciated. Anything at all.
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Thank you all for your advice. I will definitely keep them in mind I really appreciate it!
Parallel questions can contain either a flawed argument or a valid argument whereas Parallel Flaw will always contain a flawed argument.
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Hi Everyone hope all is well. So I have a quick question. How does application fee waivers work? I took the recent Feb LSAT and I received no fee waivers however when I saw some forums with people who had comparable scores to mine, they spoke about being able to apply to a bunch of reach schools because of fee waivers. Could it be due to the timing that I took the LSAT seeing as how I took it in February? I plan on applying for Fall 2018 by the way. Any insight would be great. Thank you!
@ Haha That is awesome! Did the charge to keep it?
Yeah I believe it was like a dollar if I remember correctly
@ Yeah one of my previous study buddies did this when she took it in NYC (I think). I guess a lot of the corner shops have lockers for cell phones because the high schools dont allow cells on campus.
yup. I used to do this in High school because my high school had metal detectors and didn't allow cell phones in the building. I completely forgot I used to do this lol I actually forgot my phone in that store a couple times and had to get it back the next day lmao
@ I plan to post a more detailed account of my prep at a later point, if there's interest.
Definitely interested. Always interested to hear how high scorers got to the level that they got to.
I would really like to know the answer to this as well!
Does anyone know whether if this LSAT will be released as a Practice Exam before the December Administration?
Hello all, I just had a quick question about LORs. What is the ideal way to go about them? Is it best to have your recommender do it manually or to send them the LSAC form and do it through there? Any advice/opinion is welcomed. Thank you.
An example would be All A's are B's EXCEPT WHEN they are C's. That in english essentially means, if you are an A but NOT a C, then you are a B. So Diagrammed, it would be A+~C---->B. Can anyone check my Reasoning on that? Lol
Thanks for the feedback @ @ @ . It was pretty helpful. However, I just realized that my dumba** had not checked the box where my scores would be released to schools facepalm. I guess my follow up question would be, although I plan on NOT attending this year but in the fall of 2018, Are fee waivers still offered to someone in my situation who took the exam a year and a half prior to when they plan on attending law school?(I took the exam in February 2017).
PS. After checking the box that I spoke about earlier, I have gotten a few emails from the small programs that have year round admissions.
@ I just tested it and it's working fine for me. :( Have you been keeping the app open, or have you double tapped the home button and swiped up old apps lately? Sometimes if they're open for too long or your device is on for too long, it'll start to have app lag. My old iPhone 5s did that (recently switched to the 6s).
yeah I'm one of those people that rarely reboots their phone but you're right, I turned off my phone and turned it back on and it seems to be fine now. Thanks!
Hey is anyone else having problems with the proctor feature on the 7sage app? I use an iPhone and as I was taking timed sections today, it would cut off right before the part where the proctor says, "...and start working now." And not only that but it essentially wasn't really keeping the time as there was no 5 minute warning nor did it tell me to put my pencil down after the 35 minutes was up. This proctor feature has been invaluable to me and I really don't want to switch to anything else. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
Hey guys I just started started studying for the LSAT and I've watched some 7Sage videos for LR and I've noticed that J.Y usually reads the question before the stimulus and I was just wondering whether or not if that was recommended for test takers or if that is just a technique he uses for the videos. Thank you.
@ Also, I think maybe JY doesn't write out the contrapositive form of every rule because this translation needs to be second nature.
Yeah usually writing it one way implies the contrapositive, so it need not be written as long as it is kept in mind.
@ Yeah I meant to say the ones I'm not sure about. My bad. And @ thanks for the advice. Much appreciated!
Hello again I have another question. Ever since I began my prep I've been able to raise my PT scores by ~9 points from the low 140s to the low 150s. I have taken about 10 PTs excluding my Diagnostic and most of them were taken during the winter break(I am a senior in college). I know most of the Senpais here strongly advise against BR'ing whole PTs from the numerous threads that I've lurked on and against their advice, I have been BR'ing whole PTs for all the PTs I've taken so far. However, I have found that doing this method is extremely exhausting during the actual semester and hardly leaves me any time for actual school work. As a result, I have fallen behind on my PT schedule.I Originally planned to take 2 PTs a week with solid BR and Fool-Proof but now I am 4 Whole PTs behind schedule. I guess my question is, for anyone who has switched from BR'ing whole PTs to just the questions you miss(the actual proper recommended way), how has it affected your prep? Do you feel it more effective/efficient? Does it save A LOT more time? Does the proper method allow for a lot less stress? I had planned on BR'ing whole PTs until I was consistently hitting the low 160s but lately I've been thinking that I may need to start now to avoid falling further behind. Any insight from anyone who has had an experience with this would be much appreciated. Thanks a bunch in advance and sorry for the lengthiness.
Hello guys so I have a question. Whenever doing timed sections/PTs I always used to go into them with the mindset of attempting all of the questions be it LG,RC or LR. However needless to say, I never get to all of them. I usually get about 3 games done,3 passages and I usually end up attempting between 19-22 questions in LR.
What I noticed when I go into a PT with the mindset of finishing each section is that I do end up making careless mistakes that could've been avoided had I been just a bit more prudent. I ended up speaking with someone and they advised me that to get better with time, that I should start off not going into a section with the intention of finishing it but with the intention of getting the ones I attempt correct. And once I start getting high accuracy, to then start being aggressive and start attempting a bit more questions little at a time.
At first I hated the idea because how could someone with a certain goal in mind NOT finish the whole section? But once I thought about it, going into a section with the mindset of only completing 3 passages/games and 19-22 LR questions may not be such a bad idea because that is how much I usually get complete whenever I AM attempting to finish the section ANYWAY. So I came to the conclusion that trying that method should at bare minimum keep my score where it is at if not better because now I would be focusing more on the problems I am attempting and being more prudent in the hopes of eliminating careless mistakes.
I took a PT on Saturday with this method and just like I predicted, I ended up getting the same score I would have gotten were I going in with the mindset of completing each section.(Probably would have done worse actually seeing as how it was a pretty tricky exam and slowing down probably helped me get more points that I would not have otherwise gotten).
So in all, I guess my question is, has anyone on here ever used the what I like to call, "work your way up method"? And if so, how did it work out for you? And even if you haven't used it I would love to hear your opinions on this method. It'd be much appreciated. Thank you!
My 180 watch never even worked at all from the start and I E-mailed them but I've yet to get a response. I believe I've been swindled for 65 bucks :/
Thanks for the advice @ much appreciated.
I see, I never looked at it that way in regard to developing lazy study habits. Definitely the last thing I want to do because I've tried really hard to study at a quality level for a long time now @ Btw the LR techniques we spoke about has been working pretty well, I am still dropping some questions that I really shouldn't but I am consistently able to give every question a shot in LR now. Now I just need to be able to give myself enough time to go back and give a second shot to all instead of some of the questions I skip lol.
@ Sounds like you're burnt out. I think you need to take a few days off (not just one!) and chill out a bit until you start to feel better. :(
Thanks for editing it, I appreciate it @ and my problem with taking some days off is that I am kind of scared to do it bc test day is getting closer and closer idk
Hey everyone, hope studying is going well. I am writing this thread to seek some insight on my situation.
I've been studying since June. I plan to sit for February and I have for the most part been consistent with my studies. I have also seen my score improve 19 points since June (albeit I have only hit that score once, a more telling increase I would say is about 14 points). But unfortunately, I have realized that as test day looms closer and closer I am finding it increasingly difficult to remain at the level of consistency with my studies that I have had for the past 7 months going on 7 and a half.
Lately I'll sit down with my regular routine and start to study and I just cannot stop thinking about how "over this" I am. Like today, I sat down to BR these 2 RC sections I should've BR'd like about 3-4 days ago but kept putting off (to do other sorts of LSAT practice which I also had to rally up the motivation to do) and just thought "I really don't feel like doing this right now."
So I guess my question is, is there any advice on how to get back into a good mental space as game day approaches and get back to a nice level of consistency? I'd like to add that I don't really know if it's burnout because I do always take one day off a week(but for these past couple weeks it's been a little more due to issues described above). Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Hey all, Congrats to those that finally conquered the LSAT this past Saturday. As an Lsatter that plans to take the exam in June Reading Comp quickly went from my strongest section to my weakest since I began my prep and I was wondering if there were any books that anyone on here recommends for Reading Comp. I have the Powerscore trilogy but the RC book is not as acclaimed. I plan on watching @nicole.hopkins webinar for reading comp for any tips I may find. For people that ultimately did well on RC, was there a source you used for help or was it one of those things that came after practice?(I've also read The Trainer, LG Bible and I am half way through the LR Bible while drilling after each chapter and reviewing afterwards atm btw).
Don't sleep on having hypotheticals saved from previous questions. It helps on definitely more than just 10% of the games and sometimes with the REALLY tough games it's a breath of fresh air when I see a local question with a conditional that I can apply to a previous hypothetical and eliminate incorrect answer choices or even better, pick the correct answer choice.
Hello All, I just have a quick question for those of you with the most experience with this. I just wanted to know how many 5 section PTs do you take compared to 4 section PTs. More? Less? Those of you that take 5 section PTs more often, do you find it to be substantially beneficial? Thanks in advance for any insight.
@ I completely agree. Thank you for the advice! and @ I will definitely take you up on your offer. I just Pm'd you.
@ well I don't even really know if I really even am at the 177 BR level because that was the first time I'd ever gotten a Br score that high. And out of my 8 PTs only 7 and 8 were in the 160s.(160 and 164 respectively with 170 and 177 corresponding Br scores). I guess that's why I'm still nervous about it. With timing you're completely right. I'm definitely still having trouble finishing each section. Really trying to find ways to cut down as much as possible without taking an accuracy hit. But thanks for the vote of confidence I will definitely keep working!
@ Thanks for the input. Yeah I've read that the 160's is the toughest to make that jump which is why I'm a little nervous seeing as how the clock is now really ticking.
Hello everyone, I hope the last LSAT administration went well for everyone. I was actually scheduled to write for the December administration but decided to postpone for the 3rd time to Feb 2017 because I was not confident I would reach my goal of 165+ by December. I took a PT two months ago(my 7th) and scored a 160 and decided that I did not want to see another score in the 150's so for the two months after that I drilled like a mad man and even Fool Proofed all games from PT's 1-50(doing 1-35 twice with a 3 week spread in between). I took another PT two months later yesterday and finished BRing and graded it to see that I had gotten a 164(BR score 177). I told myself that if I scored at least a 163 on this PT, that my new goal for the Feb 2017 LSAT would be a 170 because well....why not? lol. Long story short, I guess my question is, with only about 8 weeks and 12 PT's left, I know it'll be a real challenge but is it possible to jump those 6 points and get that 170 by test day? Just wanted some feedback(and I guess some, "you can do its") lol.
is it just me or were the LR sections pretty brutal?(I only had 2 LR sections btw)
Depends on what you're going for. If you're looking to just do some sections for the day then BRing right after the section is fine. But if you're looking to take a whole PT, you generally want to keep it realistic and finish the whole PT before BRing.
I also would like to know the answer to this. Does retaking PTs or Sections really have the benefit that some say?
lol I woulda stopped after that 173
This was hilarious