the Joe Rogan Experience

Theyre on a spectrum and one is a more/less severe version of the other =P

@tylerdschreur10199 said:

Hey guys,

My stats are 174 LSAT, 3.15 GPA from top 15 university, non-URM, and decent softs. I'm preparing my applications to send sometime next week. Blanketing the top 14 (minus HYS) and adding UCLA, Vandy, USC, WUSTL, and Emory. I'm considering applying ED2 Penn -- anyone know how my chances would look?

As I've read literally everywhere, my GPA means this cycle is going to be an unpredictable one. I was wondering if anyone had any splitter success stories, or words of advice to help keep my motivation up. For those studying for the LSAT or applying right now, good luck! :smile:

Peace,

AP

I'll be straight, I've heard that this was a tough cycle. But, your LSAT is great so chances are you'll get some very decent offers. I had a 169, 3.28 and was accepted to UCI and some lower ranked schools, waitlisted at UCLA and Vandy, and rejected by USC and Penn. I didnt apply early so that may also be a factor.

my friend had a 3.8 and a 161 but was waitlisted at UCLA and UCI and rejected from USC.

I hoped that my 169 would be good enough for USC and UCLA, and I saw many acceptances on LSN with lower numbers and similar GPA, but again, these were people that possibly applied earlier or didnt report accurately.

This cycle, I feel like they were super tough on low GPAs. Maybe because of an increase in applications. Who knows. F*** em.

Oi! A fellow anteater! Im going to UCI this Fall. I took a year off and this boredom and time off is just taking a huge toll on me because sitting around just SUCKS. Cant wait to get back to school.

Are you satisfied with your choice? I know UCi is a great campus, did my undergrad there, but how is the law school? Good group of people? Good prospects?

I also want to know what to expect my first year, as it's the year that apparently counts "bigly"... besides getting good grades, what do I need to do my first year in order to make sure that im on the right path to getting a job after graduating?

You answered on all of my posts when I was studying for the LSAT...you've got a pitcher waiting for you at the Pub.

Thanks

Its all about being comfortable. Know the material well enough so that you're confident, and take a deep breath. On test day you WILL be nervous. Everyone gets nervous. You just need to learn to take control of it and keep your cool so that you can focus. it gets easier as you take more PTs.

Total BS. People who say that are the ones who only know how to read their books and get spoon fed everything else. It's not t-14 or bust. ThAts crap. I know people who graduated lower ranked schools and hustled, got a 70k starting job out of school.

Now, get into the best school you can, be REALISTIC, but don't listen to TLS. They're children who like to stand in line to get told where to go. And for people like that, I think that the problem extends beyond just getting a job after law school, but being able to live a functional free life.

I'm sending wustl an application to see what they say and if they give a big enough scholly then I can hopefully negotiate Irvine or better yet get off the waitlist at ucla. But I want to play it safe and not get my hopes up haha. 90k isn't terrible I guess...i would love to work towards big law and make 200 grand a year and while mor money is always better, I wouldn't complain if I started off somewhat lower on the tax bracket either :smiley:

Thanks guys,

Yeah I'm set on CA. I'm sending WUSTL an app today and hopefully will negotiate Irvine. It just sucks thinking that there's a worthy chance UCLA might accept me off waitlist but that it could be super late. I wish I could put it off again and sit another cycle but I'm honestly not in a place where I can do that...I figure if I do end up with Irvine then I'll have to power it out to make it but if you talk to anyone on TLS forums They'd love to have you believe that you won't be anywhere but the bottom rankings.

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Inference questions in RC from what I remember are heavily centered around Perspective (of a critic, an author, etc). A lot of the times they are even focused on a process , like the dowsing passage in the June LSAT of 2017 (or was it February?).

What this requires is that you have A) a good idea of where things go in the passage, and this is when notations can be helpful. And B) that you keep an eye out for sentences where a perspective is shared.

Half of studying for the LSAT is learning HOW to study for the LSAT! Good topic

And for questions with what the author agrees , you treat them as MUST BE TRUE. So given the facts, you want the statement the author would undoubtedly agree with. All the answers with the extra ideas and such are usually just trick answers.

So I would suck at RC until a friend of mine said "when you're reading, read for structure, main point, and perspective" I said, okay no sh** but I wouldn't ever actively do it. After that day when I noticed attitude indicators I circled them and when I read I learned to keep watch for the whole structure of the text in the back of my head while at the same time reading the details and finding the main points.

You need to know to look for these things. You might think that you can just read the passage and hope you memorize it and don't need to spend extra time looking for these things, but you never remember everything and keeping an eye out for specific things they always ask questions about takes No extra time.

just keep doing RC passages using that strategy and you naturally just learn to do it. At first it's a conscious effort to look for the structure of a passage but after some practice it's like the very least you do and you don't even think about it.

The September test LR was unusual to me and didn't follow many trends. But, flaw wAs in general my biggest weakness while PTing. So I drilled flaws and now I'm better at them. Then I went down the list.

So use the analytics, and go down the list. If you're trying to score in the higher range, there shouldn't be a question type where you say "damn I hope it's not on the test". Split up your studying into question types.

There was a question tht asked if my GPA represents my potential and to explain. I said no, wrote a breif explanation and said that I will discuss it more in an addendum. If it's worth discussing you should add an addendum but usually your addendum doesn't go over 1000 words either does it?

Oh my god a 4.0 please don't waste that GPA with a 156. Take it in December. If December

works then great! If not , and you REALLY REALLY need to consider

this fully and be mature about this decision, if December doesn't work out, you definitely take that year off, study more, and try again. The LSAT is doable and so is overcoming that test anxiety. Took my 3 tries before I broke out of my cycle of freaking out as I have that problem too. I waited a year actually to retake and I'm SO glad I did because I went from 159 to 169.

Regardless, retake FOR SURE. Study smart, study hard and try again. Take timed tests in test

Conditions. It might be good

To take a PT in a situation where there is some distraction but not too much. Helps u overcome the stress. Take it again and try

your hardest but dont settle for anything below a 160. I know you can do it.

@lindseyemitchell753 said:

@stepharizona288 said:

@lindseyemitchell753 said:

@stepharizona288 said:

Gosh I asked this on TLS and they're making it sound like if I don't make it above a 170 I'm going to be cleaning toilets.

So should I just apply now or retake December :/ sorry I keep asking I just don't know what to do

TLS is a little intense sometimes :grimace:

Are your applications ready to go? If they are and you feel they are strong, you could always apply and then take and December as well. Ask them to hold off on making a decision until you December score is in. I guess you could also say though, what is the point of this as some schools may just put your app into a hold pile and not look at it at all until your new score is in.

Also, do you feel committed to continue studying? It would be a bummer to retake December and then get a lower score, but also probably not the end of the world.

I would say if you feel like you can make the 170+ score, then retake in December.

If it won't hurt to try and possibly not do better, then I see no reason not to. I guess what I'm asking is if I retake and don't do well/better, am I in a worse spot. I definitely know I can put my heart into it but there's just a chance that I might mess up and I'm trying to see if that's a gamble I can take.

Hmmm well then that kind of sounds like the kind of thing that ultimately you will have to decide for yourself...which I know is the worst possible/most annoying answer haha. I know sometimes we just want a straight up yes or no answer to these kinds of questions... But when I've found myself in similar situations, if I'm really honest I normally find I'm already leaning towards one answer or the other and just am seeking some outside opinions to back me up.

Ask yourself if you had the app ready to go and submitted today with a 169, would you feel good about it? Or when December 2 rolls around, will you wistfully drive by your testing center and wish you were in there again?

While it may be a bit of a gamble, I think if you have prepared properly, then you should feel confident to bet on yourself! As I've been learning (and must continue reminding myself when I do poorly), there definitely is something to be said for the consistency of this test combined with proper prep. If you spend the next 7 weeks continuing to prep and get your PT average up to where you are consistently scoring around 170 (or a bit higher to mitigate risk), the odds of you scoring lower than a 169 do diminish.

I believe in you!

You're totally right. It's like trying to redo an A basically...god I should have stuck to poli sci and left Econ out of the mix ! Thanks for your kind words...I guess I'll really need to figure this out before my next step.

@lindseyemitchell753 said:

@stepharizona288 said:

Gosh I asked this on TLS and they're making it sound like if I don't make it above a 170 I'm going to be cleaning toilets.

So should I just apply now or retake December :/ sorry I keep asking I just don't know what to do

TLS is a little intense sometimes :grimace:

Are your applications ready to go? If they are and you feel they are strong, you could always apply and then take and December as well. Ask them to hold off on making a decision until you December score is in. I guess you could also say though, what is the point of this as some schools may just put your app into a hold pile and not look at it at all until your new score is in.

Also, do you feel committed to continue studying? It would be a bummer to retake December and then get a lower score, but also probably not the end of the world.

I would say if you feel like you can make the 170+ score, then retake in December.

If it won't hurt to try and possibly not do better, then I see no reason not to. I guess what I'm asking is if I retake and don't do well/better, am I in a worse spot. I definitely know I can put my heart into it but there's just a chance that I might mess up and I'm trying to see if that's a gamble I can take.

Gosh I asked this on TLS and they're making it sound like if I don't make it above a 170 I'm going to be cleaning toilets.

So should I just apply now or retake December :/ sorry I keep asking I just don't know what to do

I took June and got a 159 and then took September and

Got a 169. There is no doubt in my mind that it's doable.