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Wednesday, Feb 26

I struggled a bit with identifying a referential and a referent from the information provided in this lecture, so I did a separate exercise to better understand how to bridge the gap between comprehending what a referential and referent is in theory and identifying them in sentences/paragraphs in practice (without just recognizing which is which to explain the definition). Posting it here in case it helps someone else or if anyone has feedback for me!

My goal in this exercise was how to:

1. Identify a referential and a referent in a set of claims.

2. Correctly identify their relationship to one another and understand why/how they correlate.

3. Learn how to keep track of them on dense passages on various topics that encompass cluster sentences.

I utilized the example in this lecture: Botanists at the Ben Gurion University recently discovered plants that can extract phosphorus from the sand covering its leaves. They are conducting experiments to better understand the mechanism which enables such extractions.

First, I identified repetitive variables. (if referentials are similar in makeup to pronouns, you can think of these variables as the noun). The repetitive variables I came across were 1. BOTANISTS AT THE BEN GURION UNIVERSITY (the lecture on modifiers helped me on this, the entire subset is BOTANISTS AT THE BEN GURION UNIVERSITY, not just BOTANISTS), 2. PLANTS, 3. EXTRACTIONS (At first, “plants that extract phosphorus from the sand covering its leaves” seemed like an entire variable, especially following the train of thought of modifiers, but by reading “the mechanism which enables such extractions”, I could tell from the information provided that EXTRACTIONS was its own separate entity. (That could potentially come up on longer passages on the test)

Next, I focused on identifying which is the referential and its correlating referent by identifying their relationship and separating the two in chronological order. I got curious about words that had no definitive referent. [THEY are conducting - who is they?] [ITS leaves - whose leaves?] [SUCH extraction - what kind of extraction are we talking about?] I read the sentence emphasizing chronological order (remembering that many referents are mentioned first and the referential follows). It helped me to identify subject, predicate, nouns, verbs, and modified subsets. I asked myself, what’s “ITS” leaves? In remembering that many referents are mentioned prior to its referential, I knew that ITS referred to plants.

Lastly, I utilized contextual information. I recalled the definition of “pointing towards” something else, and utilized the contextual information based on chronological order to see if it made sense (aka if those referentials correctly correlated to their referents) if they were to be swapped. I kept in mind the identifiable variables of 1. BOTANISTS AT THE BEN GURION UNIVERSITY, 2. PLANTS, 3. EXTRACTIONS. In this example, I asked myself who are “THEY”? There were 3 variables that were previously mentioned in the first sentence alone. I know that on the actual test, that one sentence could be preceded by multiple paragraphs with multiple variables and modifiers. So I swapped out “THEY” with the different variables. If “THEY” are conducting experiments, it does not make sense for PLANTS to conduct experiments or for EXTRACTIONS to conduct experiments, so it was clear to me that THEY referred to BOTANISTS AT THE BEN GURION UNIVERSITY (Again, the entire modified subset)

By applying previous lessons (Nouns, Verbs, Subject, Predicate, Modifiers/Subset) and identifying them in this sentence, I was able to come up with this 3-step process of identifying the relationship between referential and referent, and therefore, identifying which is which.

I hope this helps someone! I’m also happy to receive any feedback if my own thought process is flawed or just further discuss referentials.

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cmpage3116
Wednesday, Feb 26

Would love more-in depth explanation on how to identify a referential and it's corresponding referent, and how to prove that those two belong together. Also if entire phrases can be a referential/referent - where is the cut-off and how do you know? I definitely understand the definition (what a referential is and that it exists to point towards a referent) but understanding that definition vs. having clear tactics/strategies on how to identify them and correlate them together isn't as clear for me. I understand why offering a list of pronouns isn't advisable, but I'd more so appreciate an explanation of how to train that intuitive muscle of recognizing referentials and their referents. #feedback

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cmpage3116
Saturday, Feb 10 2024

Subtitles would be super helpful!

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cmpage3116
Saturday, Sep 07 2024

I am definitely interested! @

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Saturday, Sep 07 2024

cmpage3116

ADHD and 7 Sage

Hello!

Was recently diagnosed with ADHD in December of this year and I am currently studying for the LSAT using 7Sage, Loophole by Ellen Cassidy, The LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim, and The 10 Actuals LSAT PrepTests Volume V.

Would love to connect with others who have ADHD and are navigating the LSAT/7Sage material and brainstorm different study strategies + organizational strategies that are most effective for those of us with ADHD and provide mutual support.

Please let me know if you are interested!

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cmpage3116
Saturday, Mar 02 2024

I'm a bit confused from the last example from the previous lesson where the phrase was switched and the support was not "valid".

In the previous lesson, "Premise": Not every mammal is suitable to keep as a pet. and "Conclusion" Tigers are very aggressive and can cause serious injuries to people.

The phrasing in this example is a bit different, "Tigers are very aggressive and can cause serious injuries to people. So, not every mammal is suitable to keep as a pet."

In the previous lesson, the phrasing was also different slightly with the word "So". (I'm also studying in conjunction with the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim and I know he mentioned how important these subtleties are)

But just wanted to confirm that the main differences between the claim in the last lesson vs. this one is the wording "So" and also the fact that the argument is the same because the phrasing of each claim makes it evident as to which is the P(remise) Claim: "Tigers are very aggressive and can cause serious injuries to people" and the C(onclusion) Claim: "Not every mammal is suitable to keep as a pet."

Would love anyone's insight!

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