Shouldn't the botanist sentence say either "discovered plants that can extract... covering THEIR leaves" or "discovered A plant that can extract... covering its leaves"?
@JennyHong I had the same thought, the way that he explained it confused me. I ended not understanding what "it's support base" reffers to the authoritarian regime. I understand that the referential can also point forward instead of backward. Bur I do not get that question.
@JennyHong I struggled with this too and had to go look more into it- Apparently, it's this way because it talks about a transition to democracy, so the people would need to be currently in support of the authoritarian regime to transition away from it to democracy. - I don't know if that helps, but it kind of helped me.
@pbahoura I think it’s because the dichotomies of good and evil are important to the second sentence. What is consistent with the dual aspect of blues and spirituals is the dichotomies of good and evil, which are not sharply differentiated within African American folk tradition.
I found this one difficult to grasp in relation to the forward referentials since it is natural to think it relates back to something. A good way to see what it is the referent is to replace the suspected referential with what you think the referent is so you can see if the sentence makes sense.
“African American folk tradition does not sharply differentiate reality into irreconcilable dichotomies between good and evil. This is consistent with the apparently dual aspect of the blues and spirituals.”
This statement makes no sense. Neither blues nor spiritual is evil so where is the apparent duality? Or are you saying that BOTH the blues and spiritual music have both good and evil aspects… because that could be said for any genre of music coming from any culture.
@HiGigi I think its more like the blues are music that focuses on more sorrow and harrowing time as the spiritual focus on faith and hope, aka the good and evil aspects. Yet in African American culture, these two aren't seen as contradictory, they coexist, bleed into each other, and come from the same human experience. The same person might sing both.
I deleted my first comment on accident, but my confusion is coming from understanding the main difference between modifiers and referentials. On an LSAT question, our job is to get down to the kernel of the argument, so aren't we going to be using these methods interchangeably? Or does it all depend on the question stem? Also, number two confused me a lot.
literally lost in this section and got everyone of them wrong. Not sure how one word is referring to the whole sentence in the last example, and not just traditions. I guess we allow the modifiers into the reference?
In example #1, I still believe that "its" should be replaced with "their", despite our grammar intuition and experience. I feel like this would help clear confusion among some students who may mistake the "its" for something singular like "sand".
@GoldenRetrieverLitigation I think it is the lack of context. It is like someone somone saying " John and David picked apples yesterday. They are now eating the apples they picked". THEY is the referntial becasue without the first sentence clarifying or name dropping who is eating the apples (THEY= David and John) we would not have any idea. The THEY is refencing the people who actually did the act. (Hope this helps)
Referential: are words or phrases that stand in for something stated elsewhere in the text (usually earlier).
Example #1:“Botanists at the Ben Gurion University recently discovered plants that can extract phosphorus from the sand covering its leaves.” “They are conducting experiments to better understand the mechanism which enables such extraction.”
→“They” is a referential word, and in most cases, it’s simply standing in place for something else that appeared earlier in the text.
→ In the second sentence, “such extractions” is a referential phrase. This is because it’s a pointer, it’s just standing in for something already previously stated.
→“It’s” is also a referential it’s derived from the previous word it’s referring to which are plants.
The “referencial” is the pointer, the “referent” is the target, it’s the thing that’s being pointed to.
Example #2:“Some religious leaders who undertake reforms do so out of an intrinsic commitment to philosophical ideals.”
→ “do so” is the referential word in this sentence. If you want to understand what “do so” means, you have to look back at the earlier part of the text. They are pointing to "undertake reform”.
Example #3:“A turning point in the transition to democracy came when privileged people in society who had been part of its support base realized that the authoritarian regime is dispensable.”
→ “It’s support base” is a referential. It points to the authoritarian regime.
Who’s support base? The authoritarian regime is the support base. In this rare case the referential is forward in the text not back.
Example #4:“African American folk tradition does not sharply differentiate reality into irreconcilable dichotomies between good and evil. This is consistent with the apparently dual aspects of the blues and spirituals.”
→ “This is” is a referential word. → it points to the entire sentence preceding it. It consists of a parent duality.
Recap:
Referential are words or phrases that reveal their meaning by pointing to another set of words (which we call the referent). They often point backwards but they can point forward as well. They can point to things or to actions. They can also point to entire sentences or paragraphs. Cultivate a habit of explicitly identifying referential and linking them back to their referents. Otherwise, you will get lost in the text.
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Shouldn't the botanist sentence say either "discovered plants that can extract... covering THEIR leaves" or "discovered A plant that can extract... covering its leaves"?
I am having trouble understanding why "its support base" points to authoritarian regime for sentence 2, rather than pointing to democracy. THanks.
@JennyHong I had the same thought, the way that he explained it confused me. I ended not understanding what "it's support base" reffers to the authoritarian regime. I understand that the referential can also point forward instead of backward. Bur I do not get that question.
@JennyHong I struggled with this too and had to go look more into it- Apparently, it's this way because it talks about a transition to democracy, so the people would need to be currently in support of the authoritarian regime to transition away from it to democracy. - I don't know if that helps, but it kind of helped me.
Really confused on how sentence 3 is referring to the entire sentence. Isn't 'This' just referring to 'African American folk tradition'?
And in sentence 2, doesn't 'who' refer to 'privileged people' as well?
@pbahoura I think it’s because the dichotomies of good and evil are important to the second sentence. What is consistent with the dual aspect of blues and spirituals is the dichotomies of good and evil, which are not sharply differentiated within African American folk tradition.
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I found this one difficult to grasp in relation to the forward referentials since it is natural to think it relates back to something. A good way to see what it is the referent is to replace the suspected referential with what you think the referent is so you can see if the sentence makes sense.
“African American folk tradition does not sharply differentiate reality into irreconcilable dichotomies between good and evil. This is consistent with the apparently dual aspect of the blues and spirituals.”
This statement makes no sense. Neither blues nor spiritual is evil so where is the apparent duality? Or are you saying that BOTH the blues and spiritual music have both good and evil aspects… because that could be said for any genre of music coming from any culture.
@HiGigi I think its more like the blues are music that focuses on more sorrow and harrowing time as the spiritual focus on faith and hope, aka the good and evil aspects. Yet in African American culture, these two aren't seen as contradictory, they coexist, bleed into each other, and come from the same human experience. The same person might sing both.
@MINNIE I hope so bc I was giving major side eye.
Out of all things, they decide to use a school built on stolen land. Free Palestine.
@SubahEid THAT'S FUCKING RIGHT MY MAN - FREE PALESTINE
I deleted my first comment on accident, but my confusion is coming from understanding the main difference between modifiers and referentials. On an LSAT question, our job is to get down to the kernel of the argument, so aren't we going to be using these methods interchangeably? Or does it all depend on the question stem? Also, number two confused me a lot.
if our intuition is bound to just piece it together without the need to mentally see it and put it togetherm why do a lesson on it
@GDatria715 I think this lesson is more relevant to the reading comprehension sections where they purposely convolute claims in the text.
oof, now I know that the questions I struggle with might have referentials in them. Gotta work on these
literally lost in this section and got everyone of them wrong. Not sure how one word is referring to the whole sentence in the last example, and not just traditions. I guess we allow the modifiers into the reference?
Ya, I'm lost now
I find this one of the most challenging parts of my so-far learning!
Not important, but inside family joke here "Who are they?" lol. Hits big
Free Palestine Ben Gurion University built on stolen Palestinian land!
@JeninZayed from the river to the sea!
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@JeninZayed Free Palestine!
@JeninZayed Was not prepared for that jump scare lol, I heard the name and immediately got annoyed!
@JHabehh FREE PALESTINE
In example #1, I still believe that "its" should be replaced with "their", despite our grammar intuition and experience. I feel like this would help clear confusion among some students who may mistake the "its" for something singular like "sand".
A referential is basically context, right?
@GoldenRetrieverLitigation I think it is the lack of context. It is like someone somone saying " John and David picked apples yesterday. They are now eating the apples they picked". THEY is the referntial becasue without the first sentence clarifying or name dropping who is eating the apples (THEY= David and John) we would not have any idea. The THEY is refencing the people who actually did the act. (Hope this helps)
This is incredibly helpful for deciphering a buttload of text. I’ve definitely found I get information overload and end up losing the key points.
Okay this is more up my alley, I know I'm about to get blind-sighted soon.
This is such a good lesson. I don't think I've heard term "referential" used before. It helps a lot for understanding dense text.
I just got lost in the
saucetextReferential: are words or phrases that stand in for something stated elsewhere in the text (usually earlier).
Example #1:“Botanists at the Ben Gurion University recently discovered plants that can extract phosphorus from the sand covering its leaves.” “They are conducting experiments to better understand the mechanism which enables such extraction.”
→“They” is a referential word, and in most cases, it’s simply standing in place for something else that appeared earlier in the text.
→ In the second sentence, “such extractions” is a referential phrase. This is because it’s a pointer, it’s just standing in for something already previously stated.
→“It’s” is also a referential it’s derived from the previous word it’s referring to which are plants.
The “referencial” is the pointer, the “referent” is the target, it’s the thing that’s being pointed to.
Example #2:“Some religious leaders who undertake reforms do so out of an intrinsic commitment to philosophical ideals.”
→ “do so” is the referential word in this sentence. If you want to understand what “do so” means, you have to look back at the earlier part of the text. They are pointing to "undertake reform”.
Example #3:“A turning point in the transition to democracy came when privileged people in society who had been part of its support base realized that the authoritarian regime is dispensable.”
→ “It’s support base” is a referential. It points to the authoritarian regime.
Who’s support base? The authoritarian regime is the support base. In this rare case the referential is forward in the text not back.
Example #4:“African American folk tradition does not sharply differentiate reality into irreconcilable dichotomies between good and evil. This is consistent with the apparently dual aspects of the blues and spirituals.”
→ “This is” is a referential word. → it points to the entire sentence preceding it. It consists of a parent duality.
Recap:
Referential are words or phrases that reveal their meaning by pointing to another set of words (which we call the referent). They often point backwards but they can point forward as well. They can point to things or to actions. They can also point to entire sentences or paragraphs. Cultivate a habit of explicitly identifying referential and linking them back to their referents. Otherwise, you will get lost in the text.
Referentials are words or phrases that reveal their meaning by pointing to another set of words (which we call the referent).
They often point backwards but they can point forward as well.
They can point to things, actions, entire sentences, or paragraphs.
In this passage, identify the referential and the referent:
They = Referential
Referentials = Referent
Tehe.