Is this correct?
A most B most C
A most C
Is this correct?
A most B most C
A most C
I have heard that some tests are easier compared to other....is this true? If so, usually during which test date?
thank you all!! very interesting !!!
don't worry, i was in your situation before. I think you can get a good score untimed, that shows your logic is good but you just need to train your brain to think faster. I think you're doing the right thing right now, just be patient because studying for the LSAT is a timely process. Progress will come slowly but surely! Don't be depressed, i understand how that feels but please don't let your mindset set you back. If you get 170+ consistently untimed id suggest to speed drill each section. U will see improvements soon, and once you see the questions over and over again, speed will come naturally. force your brain to think faster, because it seems like you can score well without the pressure and timing. do a little a day, and build up endurance. Don't listen to your lawyer friend, I think everyone is different when it comes to standardized test. The score itself is not a sole indicator of whether if you can be a good lawyer or now. Just try your best, and good luck!
interesting question, although I didn't think mapping this question was necessary to reach answer C, and that may actually confuse some people. I just thought about it, and C just made sense, here's my take on the answer choices, hope it helps
A. doesn't matter whether if S believed his cousin want to be informed or not, this doesn't necessarily dictate the outcome nor his decision, so it's wrong.
B. Even if someone told S's cousin about factory closing, this wouldn't affect the conclusion nor support in any way. S still withheld info., and B doesn't have to be true
C. This has to be true, if S didn't believe factory would be closing, then why would he do what the question stimulus said? Then everything would fall apart and not make sense. Whenever I do NA questions, I think of can I bridge this, which is a mechanical way of pursuing the question. This question doesn't seem like a bridging question, so I'd ask myself, if this answer isn't there, would it matter? If not, I move on, if this answer totally fills in the gap, and makes the conclusion solid, then it's prob the answer.
D. Not SA, and doesn't pertain to the question whether if he lied or not, S withheld the info, no need to insert additional details here
E. Out of scope, who cares about S's gains.
In conclusion, lots of LSAT LR questions are similar. They test structure, logic, connection, and see if one can relate all these together. For example, what needs to be true? (MSS, MBT, SA, NA... just different ways of answering it)
mannnn i picked B but then i thought maybe that MAY contribute to profits increasing because they may have eliminated a possible profit decreasing problem..but that just sounds stupid now so i picked A and changed my answer but i totally thought about what JY explained and thought to myself ok you are probably assuming too much.
just curious because i usually learn a few things here and there when doing a test but i am always curious as to whether if they are true ^_^
just because household cleaning products are found in landfills does not indicate that they may be damaging to human health. therefore, the underlying assumption is that there are bacteria that degrade household products because that would produce vapor that are toxic/unhealthy for human
doing this to solidify my understanding :p thanks JY!
We need es → 3+ to complete the argument or to allow the argument to make sense. However, the argument/q stem proceeds by adding 3+ → comfy living. B points out that we don't need the 3+, which is also saying that we are negating the sufficient 3+ here so that comfy living isn't necessary anymore. the answer choice didn't point out that es → 3+ to make it valid, but it did just point out the problem
to make this question explanation more simple to understand, i broke the question stem down like this, and just compare...
read the stimulus, and i break it down as this: people used to do A (slept less than 6 hrs) then start to do B (sleep 8 or + hrs) had X result (felt less anxious). Therefore, most people who did A can achieve X by doing B
Why is A right?
Let's parallel this with our stimulus:
when a small company first begins to B (ad on the internet), financial situation improves (X result). Most small companies can improve their X by doing B.
the question stem is most similar, so it leaves out A, sort of, but it is pretty similar.
B is wrong. why? Because it says certain companies never did A (never advertised - this is not similar to our question stem at all) began to X (achieve this result by having improvement) after they started doing B (ad on internet)... after this i just lost interest
C. it must be true...ok lost interest because it's backwards
D. lost interest when i saw "Only if" and just scanned the answer choice, structure isn't similar, not worried about the details
E. lost interest when i read the last part that internet could prob become financially strong...i dont need additional subjective details here
when I print out PTs from 7sage, my logic games are always a page, front and back, and it get's annoying to have to flip around to look at my master board and so forth... so sometimes i just practice on another piece of paper and use the PT to fill out my answer. I was wondering if the official LSATs logic games have a format of either a whole spread of 2 pages or just one page?
I tried to download them but had some technical difficulties, is there anyway you can email them to me please?? Or where else can I get them??
HMW (handmade wig) → ME (most expensive)
MTMW (made to measure wig) → MP ~ Expensive
HMW → human hair → DC
Conclusion: MTMW → HM
So therefore, MTMW → DC
Link Premise → Conclusion
MTMW → MP ~ Expensive → HMW → Human Hair → DC
A. MP ~ Expensive → HM
B. HM → ME (just premise, doesn't do the sufficient assumption job)
C. HM → DC (tricky, but this just states the premise, and doesn't do what the question is asking you to link up)
D. HM → MP ~ Expensive (sufficiency and necessity confusion, it's backwards, it is wrong)
E. DC → HM (same error as D)
would SI some RL also be correct?
IF → SI
SI → RL
therefore IF → RL
But wouldn't it also be correct if SI some RL due to lawgic lesson?
7Sage timer shows error and stops itself sometimes without my knowledge while I am taking a PT, which throws off my time completely. How would you recommend me to time myself with using an analog watch or another timer? For example, when should I give myself a break? After the section 2? Should I account for the essay part? 7Sage PTs are all 4 sections with an essay, unlike the real test, which would have 5 sections...what should I do about that since I only have access to 4 sections PTs... such as what should I do with timing myself with breaks for 4 sections?
Also, I remember there was a previous discussion on whether if it's ok to bring in 3 analog watches in the test room, and set them all to 12, and press start each time the section starts. Is this ok, or LSAC only allows one watch?
i think C isn't right is not because of the keyword many. Many indicates 2 to max, and in the stimulus it says many, and in answer choice C, it says 2, so that matches, and also C says that none of the 2 reviews (so no reviewers) woulld hope Lo would write a sequel, we need the second part to say that so the next reviewer in the future or next week wouldn't hope Lo would write a sequel. But instead, C says that the review in the sunday's paper would express hope...so subject doesn't match.
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Hi Admins:
I was wondering if y'all can please add an upload photo option? I find that sometimes it is time consuming and confusing for me to write a comment because some comments are better with a picture and not just words and symbols. For example, I'd like to take a pic to show fellow 7sagers my game board set up, and also lawgic drawings that may be confusing even with the symbol indicators. This also saves me lots of time, than to write it out again.
Just a thought :)
Thanks!!
i didn't arrive to answer choice C by JY's mapping, although we were similar up until the inadequate part.. im not sure whether if I guessed it right or if what i did also works.
My mapping:
CU (cease to use) → A
A → WEPD (withdrawal causes extreme psychological difficulty)
i combined the 2 and got:
WEPD → A
CU → A
Therefore, some relationship between CU and WEPD which is what C states.
can u post the question here so i can attempt to read it and explain it ? i cannot find this problem, thanks!
interesting question! i came to answer c by lawgic mapping and trying to understand what the question is saying. a tip would be to try to be very interested in every single q stimulus, like you're reading a tip or truth of the day to learn something new, and in turn, try to solve the problem inherent in the problem...eh that may be silly on my part but here's my interpretation on this problem.
1st sentence states that whoever murdered J is in the office on the day of murder, and tells us both J and S were there. Note, this doesn't rule out that no one else was there...keep that in mind.
Then lawgic comes in...
H → f or ft
S → f or ft
police found ft but f , since not H, must be S.
What police found is just satisfying the necessary condition of H and S, but the crucial factor is that, why does it HAVE to be S? The assumption here to make conclusion valid must be that S and H were the ONLY people at the office... process of elimination.
A. doesn't help the argument at all to draw proper conclusion. Just because police found the ft just because it's there, does it help us to affirm that it is H or S or someone else? we don't know
B. Sure, even if this were true, but were there others in J's office that day?
C. this confirms our assumption, and also by process of elimination with lawgic, it must be S. so that's the right answer
D. Same reasoning as B
E. same reasoning as B and D. This doesn't conclude any S must be the killer.
interesting. besides the percentage vs # of doctors actually surveyed, i thought of another flaw which is that the advertisement assumes each consumer's skin needs may be the same.
pt 51 sec 1 #21 MSS
Hi Everyone, I was stuck on this question, and I was wondering if someone can take a look at my breakdown of this question to provide any suggestions and feedback. Thank you!
http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-1-question-21/
this question is interesting, i feel like for this question, you almost don't need to map out the lawgic unless you do not fully understand the question stimulus.
i didn't really understand the second part of Jon's lawgic mapping...
The effect remains quite strong during colder months if the garden is well coordinated with the room and contributes strong visual interest of its own.
Jon wrote: CM → [WC & SVI → ES]
Why did Jon put CM as sufficient condition? Wouldn't WC & SVI → ES be enough/correct?
A. A garden separated from an adjoining living room by closed sliding doors cannot be well coordinated with the room unless the garden contributes strong visual interest.
WC → SVI
Not right because WC & SVI goes together, they're not sufficient and necessary conditions.
B. in cold weather, a garden and an adjoining living room separated from one another by sliding glass doors will not visually merge into a single space unless the garden is well coordinated with the room.
SD → M → WC
This is incorrect because q stem doesn't state that it'll merge because it's well coordinated. it just says that the effect remains strong if it's well coordinated.
C. A garden and an adjoining living room separated by sliding glass doors cannot visually merge in summer unless the doors are open.
M → SD
But first sentence states that SD → M, so this is backwards, so incorrect
D. a garden can visually merge with an adjoining living room into a single space even if the garden does not contribute strong visual interest of its own
correct because the only thing that will allow it to merge is the sliding doors. visual interest just makes the effect stronger
E. Except in summer.... this is just not a good start...incorrect
How do you approach MSS questions? Sometimes, I feel like lawgic isn't necessary, as long as i understand fully what the question is saying. Sometimes, lawgic is necessary... I think LSAT is difficult because the test is dense and may lose me and I may miss one or two words, or get confused because of it's wording... what are your thoughts?
@ that's awesome, please feel free to message me any questions you feel are unique, interesting to go over, or questions. I think that would help us both to solidify our knowledge and logic
@ @ thanks for the LSAT Trainer suggestion. I am going to try that with 7sage, because 7sage is a great tool too. i noticed that they have a 13 or 8 week trainer schedule. I am aiming to take the June LSAT, so it's a little under 13 weeks away ... i noticed this schedule (see link below) contains LSAT lessons that i may or may not need. what would you recommend me to do to customize this schedule to tailor my needs? i am doing well on LG, but need improvements on LR and RC.
http://www.thelsattrainer.com/assets/twelveweektrainerstudyscheduleexams52-712.pdf
I also try to take 1 LSAT a week (full time job gets in the way) and BR, additional drills ... thanks!!!
@ thank you! i sent you a request via email after i clicked on that link
@ that is a good point! I naturally anticipate and look for a flaw while iam reading, before I go to the answer choices. depending on the q stimulus, i can sometimes anticipate a few flaws to none. This would determine whether if I mess up on the answer choices :p what about you?? How do you approach flaw questions
hi everyone, i was wondering how i can improve on flaw questions? I feel like sometimes they're obvious, but for the harder ones, i either get it or i don't. Any tips on how to improve? I plan to redo the flaw practice problems, but i feel like if i drill enough, LSAT may repeat those flaw, but i need to see why that is the case instead of memorizing the common flaw packet. I think this has helped, but it hasn't helped enough.
some notes i took from the lessons on flaw:
Flaw / Descriptive weakening
similar to weaken, similar to MOR questions
Descriptive
2 step test for choosing the right ac: (especially helpful for tough questions, where the wrong ac are very attractive)
1. Descriptively accurate for the argument - if it doesn’t rightly describe the argument, then don’t even bother with 2nd step, this ac is wrong
my notes on this tip above is that it may be easy or hard to spot. for example, this difficult flaw problem, which most people picked D, it is neither descriptively accurate, nor does it describe the flaw. However, the inaccuracy of D (incompatible) is so subtle, that I missed it when under timed condition. Any tips on how to improve? I guess i truly need to learn to walk before i run, but under timed condition, i feel like i'm forced to run with it... if that makes sense.
I literally watched this video 5 times in a row, and everytime i listen to it, i learn something. but can someone please give me more tips? im truly trying to improve for my June LSAT test.. thanks everyone
http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-1-question-15/
2. describes the flaw? - the ac is assuming, is that why the argument is wrong? Review 19 common argument flaws
sometimes the trap answers satisfies step 1, but not 2 (descriptively accurate, but wrong flaw)
this is hard to spot if i feel like i didn't anticipate the flaw already...but sometimes i can take a stab at the answer choices and get lucky on the harder ones.
Any other tips on how to improve on LR in general? i feel like for each test, it is a hit or a miss, some LR sections are hard, some are easy, sometimes both are easy, and RC and LG are harder. Maybe lsat tries to balance the overall difficulty of the test without giving away a pattern
dang now that i see it, the word "incompatible" is just not right for answer choice D.
i have a prescription, and my doctor advised me to not take it often, and space out the dosage. i personally find that helpful compared to taking it daily. I'd suggest to talk to you doctor and it depends on your dosage/mg
thanks! I hope the link above works for you too if you'd like to check out the problems through there
thinking about it, i think i was trying too hard by trying to disprove answer B. this is not a MBT question, nor is this logic game... i just need an answer that would make the premise and conclusion more valid...sufficient assumption. Anyone agree with this? Or add some more insights? Thanks!
Can y'all please help me explain this? I watched the video a few times, but the numbers method that JY explained..is just not really iron clad proof for me, or at least I'm not really understanding it.
http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-4-question-16/
I played around with some other numbers, and that didn't really add up to the conclusion.
PT --> E
B some E
B some not E
Conclusion: #E > #not E
JY used 100 for both PT and B. That adds up and makes sense. However, I switched the numbers for PT and B to 50 and 100, respectively. So let's say some B out of 100 is 40, then 50 PT + some B (40) = 90. What's left of B thats not E are 60... 90 > 60 in conclusion, that is correct, but 50 PT and 100 B is not the same.
Thanks!
Hi Ladies and Gents:
I came across this watch on www.180watch.com
this seems really legit on the website, but i cannot justify the price just by looking at it... it is $60.
Anyone who has used this before care to share a review?
OR anyone who has a cost effective way of calculating time? the analog watch doesn't really show seconds very well... and the minutes are hard to read
Thanks!
great explanation of D! I didn't pick D because I thought I cannot straight up deny a causation and/or correlation, but your example really helped me comprehend why D won't work.