If anyone is feeling kind and would like to send me a direct message with info from this I would appreciate it SO much. Im testing in June and this is the last time I can take the test in order to apply and be considered for law school in the fall. This means so much to me and I have been studying a ton...but any extra informaton you can provide about the test would be beneficial and very helpful to me. I took a powerscore course however I no longer pay so I do not have access. I really wish I would have seen this sooner - I would have loved to attend. Thank you for anyone out there willing!!!

you are so awesome for this girl!

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thank you for your responses! Do canceled scores factor into this at all...or is it only 3+ scores posted is frowned upon?

im interested

How long would you say it took you to make this improvement ?

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Hey!! I also struggled a ton with LR and used Loophole. Keep doing the Translation Drills, they reeeeeally helped me. Retaining and understanding the stimulus quickly enough was the hardest part for me. I know the book really emphasizes finding the Loophole in every question, but I find thinking of a fully fleshed out loophole in my head too time consuming. Instead, I think generally about the gap in the argument/why it doesn't work exactly, and I don't worry about the exact way to fill it yet. I just notice it. Sometimes I can't even put into words exactly what the gap is, I just have a feeling that something is missing between a premise and the conclusion, or feel like there's a flaw with conditional reasoning or sampling strategy, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Then I go into the answer choices, and use the Bad Answer Choice strategies she talks about in the last chapter of the book to eliminate ACs quickly. My biggest timesink before was giving wrong ACs the time of day and thinking that they could possibly be right if I stretched my mind to accomodate them. But there's no time for that. Instead, if I'm spending more than 10 seconds considering an answer choice, I just move onto the next one and usually a later one fits so perfectly into that gap in the argument that I can clearly eliminate the crazy one that was giving me trouble. I've noticed that wrong ACs are mostly just "Crazy Nonsense" there to take up your time.

This is my general approach to LR and it has really helped me. Also, just taking PTs over and over has helped me get familiar with the patterns, so most of the time now for SA or Inference questions I can already anticipate the right answer choices because they very often formulaically connect a premise to a dangling variable in the conclusion. I started at -11 and I'm at -4 and below consistently for the last several PTs I've taken. My biggest piece of advice still is to keep working on translation because that's what helped me the most to have enough time to approach each question without panicking. Then I worked on my approach to each individual question type. Good luck!!!

You should check LSAC website for specific dates. I know this cycle they changed the allotted time to change dates at no fee and with a small fee. You won’t get your money completely refunded at all, but you could get a partial refund. It says the direct information on the website.

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Time solts are live on Proctor U for retake on the 23rd! They will up very very quickly!

Most people have to wait for lsac to send their ticket over so they even see time slots

so for anyone with the engineering and grants LG game... did I misinterpret the curve prediction or are we screwed 😭😭😭

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Yes they did it to me

I sent you a message

Did anyone have issues with the proctor controlling their mouse during the timed test? I was unable to select answer choices, underline at many times, I would be using my mouse and it would just fly to the other part of the screen. I filed a complaint, im hoping they let me retest because it really effected my performance.

easy

Hey I have the book and I'm currently studying with it, im gonna send you a message with questions I have if that is ok!

Can you share any advice you have for RC? what was your method?

Congratulations! I am really happy to see this post and your kind words to others. You are a rockstar!!

I am pretty good at LG but can you suggest any insanely hard games for me to try? Maybe ones that are similar to the test you took or ones you think would be helpful to master?

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thats how the new tests are. They will highlight the sentence they want you to go back to instead of giving you line numbers.

That is wack. Makes it really hard to BR lol

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recognizing syllogism patterns in LR. I highly recommend getting a logic book (something a college class in logic would use, not something trivial without substance), you'll have lots of lightbulb moments

LR will suddenly jump out as more cookie cutter in its forms

can you suggest any good books?

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thanks for your answers! I just wanted to clarify I am aware of the amount of times you can test etc... what I am asking is how many times should you test. From what I have heard it either doesnt matter because admissions only looks at the highest score (not all of them therefore they would have no idea how many times you tested to get to that score) OR admissions does look at how many times you test and it does matter how many times you test (even if you do end up with a higher score at the end)

Ultimately, the goal is to test as little times as possible. Thus, obviously the goal should be once but this is often not the case. I'd try to max out at three (it seems a ton of people take it 2 times). You won't be penalized as long as you follow the literal rules, but I think that admissions is looking for people to not have to keep taking the test over and over. Hope this helps!

thank you so much! :)

thanks for your answers! I just wanted to clarify I am aware of the amount of times you can test etc... what I am asking is how many times should you test. From what I have heard it either doesnt matter because admissions only looks at the highest score (not all of them therefore they would have no idea how many times you tested to get to that score) OR admissions does look at how many times you test and it does matter how many times you test (even if you do end up with a higher score at the end)

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When will I be able to see my score via early score preview?

Unfortunately, from what I understand the score preview does not allow you to see the score earlier than anyone else. It just gives you the option of cancelling the score, if you want to.

Here is a direct quote from the LSAC website:

"First-time test takers who sign up for score preview will receive their scores at the same time other test takers receive theirs (assuming they have completed their LSAT Writing and have no holds on their accounts), and will have six (6) calendar days to decide if they want to cancel or keep their score."

Wrong info. You do see your score.

Dates are on the website, google is your friend.

You should hop on the internet and research this since it’s so friendly. That’s the right info.

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@ How are you doing on MSS questions? If you're strong on MSS, you can approach MBT questions the same way and then just do a final validity check on the answer choice you think is right to ensure you have a valid argument in front of you (stimulus + answer choice).

MBT is no different than MSS aside from the correct AC in MBT bringing the argument (stimulus + answer choice) to complete validity.

Does that make sense?

Another drill you can do to improve on both MBT and MSS is practice covering up the answer choices and creating an inference (MBT) or statement that is supported (MSS) on your own before looking at the ACs. In the beginning this can be tough, but as you get better, I think you'll find that you can confidently produce a statement that can be inferred or supported from the list of statements you just read in the stimulus.

After doing this exercise of creating your own answer choice, you might also find it helpful when going through each of the ACs for MBT to ask yourself the question: does this answer choice combined with the stimulus leave me with a flawed argument? If the answer is yes, that is a wrong AC. -- Because again, the stimulus + correct answer choice for MBT will leave you in the territory of validity.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you have anymore questions.

Thank you so much for this! You rock!!

This one took a long time for me to figure out even after watching the videos, reading the comments etc. So I'm gonna post what best helped me understand why E is right.

E: In most cities the majority of car thefts are committed by very few experienced car thieves.

Yes, because this answer choice is suggesting that the majority of the car theft is being done by few experienced thieves, according to the stimulus (the anti-theft device makes it possible to catch and apprehend even the most experienced thieves)

taken as true, we would assume based on this answer choice (if assumed true) that if all (experienced) thieves are being apprehended, then obviously yes the number of car thefts, in general, would drop because they are in jail and unable to steal future vehicles.

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I don't know how helpful I can be since MBT has been giving me trouble, too. But I've been drilling 5-star MBT questions recently and a pattern I noticed is that the answer is always much simpler than I expect it to be. Since must be true is such a rigorous standard, the right answer is usually something that seems too simple. I've found that simplifying or visualizing the stimulus to make it make more sense to me has helped a lot. You could also try approaching it like a NA question, if those are easier for you, where if you negate it, the statements no longer work together.

Thank you - great advice...will try this out!

I recently stopped seeing a tutor for LR because of the same issues you are describing. It felt like I was paying someone to explain something I could have explained to myself in review and it was a giant waste of time for me. Honestly I find that with LR most of the time it is more beneficial to go through by yourself to figure out what you did wrong and how to get it right next time. Thats the only way you are going to learn and prevent the same mistakes from being made in the future. I cant really speak on other sections - I would imagine that LG tutoring would be very beneficial if you needed it just because it is more of a strategical approach and its easier to improve in that section. As far as RC goes... I actually have a different tutor that has helped me greatly. Im not sure how else RC is tutored but she has taught me a method where you dont have to even read the passage or understand it really at all in order to answer the questions. Im not sure when you are testing (her approach takes some time to learn and expert) but it has been worth it for me. I was terrible in RC before (my worst section) I would seriously miss over 10 questions at minimum on a good day but now I am missing less than 4 max. Her method has helped me improve in LR too. If you are interested feel free to send me a message I can give you her information!

My exam isnt even showing on the proctor u website yet... Do I just need to wait? I am not a first time test taker so I don't understand why I can't pick a time slot early