So, I recently read this super helpful book for LR called, "Loophole to Logical Reasoning," and it actually helped me determine my LR weakness.

I BR at around -2-3 per section and timed it for about -6--9 consistently. That one book actually helps break down the foundation so much, in ways I didn't recognize before. Perhaps you may consider reading that book, as it really did help me recognize foundation stuff to work on that may be the reason why your LR isn't as good as it should be!

I really believe it may help you on your LR! And even translate some of that into boosting your RC.

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Hey, I'm actually probably going to suggest the most underrated advice that barely anyone follows.

Have you tried practicing reading retention and reading comprehension skills on ONE single read? (Not just doing the "main point of a passage, but understanding what it's actually talking about.)

This not only cuts down time, but also allows you to retain what you read to answer the questions without having to read a passage multiple times!

It may be the missing piece, especially if you're someone that BR's RC at -1 or -0 consistently. (With occasional -2 or 3 ofc.)

Anyways, to train this start with just retaining 2 passages, then moving onto 3, and then 4.

It takes about a week of effort of doing nothing but this, but you may be able to improve your RC score by quite alot!

After all, doesn't this method make sense? If you comprehend what you read the first time around, and retain it, it eliminates alot of time spent looking back and forth and contemplating between two answer choices. (in fact, if you're facing these two issues that I'm mentioning, it may be that you need to work on exactly this skill.)

yeah sometimes they leave really tricky flaws that arent categorized by a certain flaw type, which is why I was taught to face flaws with a semi-flexible mentality because a flaw might be obvious, but they can not have that flaw in the answers and hit you with a really obscure one!!

Congratulations, I hope you become the number juan practitioner of the law at your law school!! (hahahah get it? ;) )

Have you tried BRing the proper way after taking a PT? My friend just started doing 2-3 PT's per week and BRing and he went from 156-172 on the actual in a manner of 3 months. (that's after his first 3 months of learning from 7sage's CC/ he says any cc is fine as long as you were taught conditional statements, id flaws, translations, diagramming, foundations, etc.)

Although you have 2 months, it may be possible.

Especially with a tutor.

But like the others have said, you should postpone and get as high of an LSAT as possible bc you'll get scholarship and other stuff!! :D

Actually I heard of this legend who took his LSAT (like actual LSAT day of exam ordeal.) finishes each section ahead of time at around the twenty minute mark, and actually has time to BR every section.

Of course this guy got like 178-180, but wow it shows how much you can really master this exam if you understand every little intricate deal/curves the questions can throw at you.

Empower your personal self, a healthy, understandable boyfriend would support your dreams!!

Such as a person like myself. ;) (oof self promo, I'lll get to a t14 somehow right..? jk)

What about Not all A's are B's, does that translate into A some B?

sometimes it's best to draw/map out this ish on the side instead of formally doing conditional logic.

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Could you please elaborate on "don't think faster, but sooner." I am having a hard time during timed section because I am either too slow (and run out of time), or too fast (nothing registers in my brain). What is "thinking sooner"?

I think a good advice is to think as you read along this passage/do active reading. For example, at the beginning of my LSAT prep, I literally just read the LR passage and I go huh, ok, lets read that again I didn't get it.

Now I mostly try to do conditional formatting or actively putting the concept in my head or doodling it onto the page to understand the thing. It's helped me immensely, learning how each sentence interacts with one another and go along with it. (ALso, eventually you'll be able to predict the answer choice without looking at the answers first.) This is actually all through practice.

omg!! i'm so delighted, dude this is amazing news :blush:

bruh, now im so nervous i need a 12-13 pt improvement from now to june.... oof....

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@ so if i follow 7SAGE's study schedule of 6 months for the premium pack is that a good approach?

Eh, it's better to just focus on covering CC in the first 3 months, then start doing 2-3 PTs a week. + proper BR

Yikes!!

So here's the thing, LS is mostly about UGPA and LSAT right?

Which means if you want to get into a T14 school, you'll have to get a 170+ on the LSAT. (Which is completely doable, I've seen a UVA acceptance of a 2.99/171 this admissions cycle!!)

This means you should ideally be preparing your best to get a high score on the LSAT!

For now, the doors are open to T30, T14's for you, so don't fret.

Just set your goal high (i.e. 180 or 178! highly unprobable, but not impossible, especially because we don't know your diagnostic score yet)

:smiley: Try your best to get that LSAT score up, then make your decision. You have all the time in the world! :wink:

Hey guys!! thank for you the advice,

Apparently, I was simply not BR'ing the proper way and would get tired through BRing some of the questions/outright lazy to not reason my way through.

Found out my weakness was learning how to fixing illegal conditional statements.

Just posting this as an advice for any future forum users!!

Well.... some people who score an extremely high diagnostic score don't know about conditional logic (i.e. translating stuff into A-->B forms/variations) , and you might be intuitively better at the LSAT's logic than others who's diagnostic scores are around the 150's. But it really helps when 7sage teaches you about translating conditional statements, rather than relying on intuition alone, especially for some of the denser materials.

But you may just be one of those people who diagnosed at 171, like a friend of mine who grew up reading a bunch of dense materials at a young age. lol. If you're one of those people just BR, you don't necessarily need 7sage.

Congrats it's time for celebrating!

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So, I believe it's possible, and you should aim even higher!. (i.e. 170+)

That's also because I'm trying to study from a 158->173 in six months as a full-time uni student.

It's all about how many hours you put in rather than the span of months! My friend went from 158 -> 172 on the actual LSAT in a matter of ~six months. His previous three months was mostly spent learning the basics, and his last three was spent just doing preptests.

I actually started out from a 150 as well and improved to 158 in the span of two preptests, mostly because I just finished the core curriculum on 7sage the previous three months. My remaining six months will be used on doing PTs and BRs and brush up on the conditional translations that I don't use often and getting faster at it all.

So yeah, 7sage helps alot and it's definitely doable! Aim higher!!

Hey guys, I have a question how does a tutor help you, and how do you know if you need one?

Hey guys, thanks alot for the great advice y'all!!

lol no problem! many of our ACTIVE reading skills and reading retention are lacking!

which may be why philosophy and english majors start with such a high diagnostic score, bc they read alot of dense passages and have to understand what they're reading. not to mention, they'll have to retain what they read for exams.

of course, it'll take time for us to get good at these skills but that doesn't mean it cant improve. it's just like doing math problems. and if you really want to study the lsat 24/7, you have to expose yourself to the literature level that's just the right difficulty level for you as well in your free time (pick up a 19th c. book and read or something!! lol) .

Thanks for your positive note. I'm feeling very positive now.

They say practice makes perfect, but in this case it shouldn't be you just doing PT's over and over.

Rather, your issue of timing (perhaps on LR) occurs due to the fact that you don't fully grasp the stimulus paragraphs.

Practice reading and fully understanding what the stimulus is.

I had the exact same problem, so I quit doing PT's entirely, because I recognized I was lacking the ability to fully comprehend the stimulus. (Which is why my BR score was high, but my timed score was lacking.)

Think about it like this, why have a super dense paragraph that's barely understandable when you can understand it so much easier by translating it into simple sentences? "i.e. mathematicians are wrong to think that we should focus on hard math. bc hard math wastes too much time to understand rather than ez, general principles. therefore, it's better to focus on ez, general principles to advance the math world."

Then it becomes so much easier to see that gap right?

Also practice reading and being able to understand something on the first read, and retain that in your head. (This skill carries over to RC as well.)

Im sure you guys encountered these passages where they ramble on about immoral actions or something like what is morally adept or so on with the annoying hard to understand philosophies..