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PT139.S4.Q21
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Tuesday, Jul 31 2018

If you're still confused about how A → C can stand in for A and B → C, I have another simple analogy that might help:

Let's assume you can get a ball (C) at a store in exchange for a gold token (A). = A → C

But you know the store clerk well, so you decide to be generous and throw in a dollar tip (B). = A and B → C

Now, does adding the dollar make any difference? No, because you still get the ball whether you tip the clerk or not.

In this case, "and B" is redundant in that it does not affect the output of the logic.

Therefore, A → C is sufficient for us to conclude that A and B → C.

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PT139.S3.P4.Q24
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Tuesday, Jul 31 2018

Got 24 wrong because I lacked understanding of the word "semblance," and somehow I associated it with a positive image.

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Thursday, Jun 28 2018

I vote for the Personal Statement section of the webinar.

Too bad I didn't get to ask a question. Nonetheless I deemed it very helpful - definitely gave me some very useful insight on the admission process overall. Thank you for your time and look forward to participating in your upcoming webinars soon!

As the 2019-2020 cycle draws to an end, I thought I should share a recap of my admissions results and say a big thank you to JY and the 7Sage Community.

I started studying for the LSAT in 2018, with a diagnostic score of 153. After a year of intense studying with 7Sage, I was able to boost that score up to a 169. And I'm beyond thrilled to share with you that I was accepted to Berkeley and Cornell, among other very prestigious law schools.

I had basically zero knowledge of the test itself in the beginning, let alone the law school admissions process in general. Signing up for a 7Sage LSAT Course was possibly the wisest decision I've made in the past couple years, as I've benefited tremendously from the curriculum that I thought was very insightful, easy-to-follow, and beginner-friendly. The Discussion Forum served its purpose as an indispensable source of information; I was able to get all the help I needed from the Sages and users who were more than eager to share their experiences. What I found most amazing was that all of it came at an extremely generous price.

All in all, I am grateful that I found 7Sage and that it offered me an opportunity to excel at one of the most challenging tests there are. I'd like to express my utmost gratitude again for the 7Sagers for their advice and support - without them, I doubt that I would have made it this far.

Thank you!

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Tuesday, Apr 23 2019

@ Hey, I purchased Ultimate+.

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Tuesday, Apr 23 2019

@ Basically I follow JY's method - I think there's a whole lecture on it that's definitely worth listening to if you haven't done so. After you finish a PT. go back to and work on the questions you circled on your timed run. Take all the time in the world, as it is very important that you understand the questions thoroughly.

As for RC, I would advise you to read a lot. You get a huge advantage if you're familiar with the topic of the passage - so read as many articles, blogposts, textbooks, etc. as you can, to broaden your background knowledge of relevant areas.

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Tuesday, Apr 23 2019

@ Took me about 2 months I think. I broke the 160 ceiling fairly early, but getting to the high 160's was the hard part.

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Tuesday, Oct 23 2018

@ @oshun1 @

Thank you all for your thoughtful advice! :smiley: I'll be sure to answer the "study interrupted" prompt on the application.

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Sunday, Apr 21 2019

hleedokdo611

Thanks 7Sage. 148 --> 169

Hi.

The March LSAT results were in two days ago. I'm so glad to say that I scored a 169!

I know there are plenty of people here with 170+ and yet aiming for a higher score, but I am content with what I've accomplished after a long journey.

I'm an international applicant with a GPA classified as 'Superior.' I'm a traditional and have studied for the LSAT for a whole year.

I went from a 148 diagnostic, to 161 in June 2018, and to a 169 in March.

I was averaging mid-160s before the March test, so my final score took me by a huge surprise.

LR was my biggest weakness, as I started out getting -10 for each section. I improved a lot by drilling by question type and focusing on those types that I had the most difficulty with.

The Blind Review and foolproofing methods worked out wonderfully for me as well. At one point I was wasting my PTs by taking three tests per week, and obviously getting nothing out of each test. Learning the proper BR method was a game changer for me. I started seeing steady improvements in my overall performance.

I just want to say a big thank you to JY and 7Sage for your help.

I'd also like to add that 7Sage works, although the process could be long and wearisome, as it was for me. So don't give up!

Peace out :)

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hleedokdo611
Saturday, Jul 21 2018

Like everyone says, don't bring it into the test center. Leave it at home or in the car if necessary. If you must bring it into the venue, follow the instructions of the proctor.

I'll share my experience here in case you have to bring your phone in no matter what. Just note that I took my test outside the US.

I brought both my backpack and phone to the test center because I needed to call a friend to pick me up after the test (the parking situation was just horrible at the venue, plus it was more accessible via public transport). The proctor simply instructed me to turn off the phone, put it in the bag and leave it outside the testing room. It turned out almost everyone brought theirs too.

So I guess it depends on the situation. But again, be safe and leave your belongings at home or in the car.

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PT114.S4.Q21
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hleedokdo611
Wednesday, Feb 20 2019

Here's another analogy:

P: Some people study hard and don't get 170 on LSAT.

P: Some people don't study hard and still get 170 on LSAT.

C: Studying does not promote scoring 170 on LSAT.

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PT113.S1.P2.Q13
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Wednesday, Feb 20 2019

For Q13, Here's a slightly different approach I took in choosing (A) over (E):

Per dictionary definition, "postulate" means to suggest or assume the existence of something as a basis for reasoning.

If you substitute the word with this definition, the part in question reads: "she was unable to assume the existence of the mechanism by which to explain radiation."

Let's put in our two contenders here, (A) and (E).

(A): She was unable to assume the existence of the physical process.

(E): She was unable to assume the existence of the theory.

For me, it didn't make sense to assume the existence of a theory. On the other hand, assuming the existence of a physical process sounds perfectly reasonable.

Hope it helps!

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PT118.S3.Q15
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Tuesday, Feb 19 2019

*Flaws:

1. The premise offers an unrepresentative sample to support the conclusion: Most cases of insomnia that psychologists treat - do they represent all the cases of insomnia? Clearly not. They are too narrow of a subset.

2. Why can't sedatives be used to alleviate the stress?

3. What if psychotherapy doesn't work?

(A) is not the flaw, hence the correct AC. In fact, it is written backwards. It is stress that causes insomnia, not the other way around.

(B) Yes. This points to Flaw #1.

What if the treatment of the rest of insomnia cases (other than most cases that psychologists treat) requires sedatives?

(C) Yes. This points to Flaw #3.

(D) Yes. Flaw #2.

(E) Yes. Also Flaw #1.

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PT140.S3.Q25
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Sunday, Jun 17 2018

This one felt more like an RRE question to me.

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Sunday, Jul 15 2018

Count me in!

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Sunday, Jul 15 2018

hleedokdo611

Doing PTs one section at a time

Hi all.

I'm an international student studying for LSAT. My English is not perfect so please excuse me for my awkward writing.

So I received my June LSAT score this week: 161. Not too bad for my first test ever, but I can't help but feel a little disappointed because I've dedicated the past 3 months to studying full-time for the test. I have another 3 months ahead of me before I take the October LSAT in Asia.

In retrospect, I believe I've overworked myself these past months by cramming 3 PTs into a week's study schedule. I would take a full 4-section PT, BR, check the answers, watch video explanations for the Qs I got wrong, and move on. It was a tough task indeed, and it really took a toll on me that I was feeling too exhausted to go on at the end of each week.

A friend of mine who also studies for LSAT suggested a different approach: doing PTs one section at a time instead of doing 4 sections all at once. According to this method, I would complete one section, BR, check the answers, analyze the Qs I got wrong, and move on to the next section. Kind of like drilling for each section I'd say, only this time it's proctored.

She says it worked wonders for her performance but I'm not so convinced myself. My doubts are twofold. First, I might get too comfortable with taking PTs on the section-by-section basis that I would fare worse on an actual test. Second, I have a feeling that doing so would be waste of the more recent PTs I've kept pristine up to this moment; I think making best use of them is by taking them under the same (timed) conditions equal to a real test.

What do you think? Would you recommend trying this method? Thanks to all in advance for sharing your thoughts.

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hleedokdo611
Monday, Oct 15 2018

@ said:

@ said:

Took it in Korea.

Turns out I got an experimental RC, which I really hoped to be the real thing because I found it a lot easier than the first one. The first LR (the one with chimps learning to trade) was challenging, while the second (the one with jurors using cell phones in the court room) was a breeze.

Not so sure about LG... got stuck with a game pretty bad and had to guess 2-3 questions.

Do you remember having question in your first lr about fine thread and 60/90% cotton?

Thanks!

Yes, and since I had only 2 LRs, the one with fine thread and cotton was not an experimental section.

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Sunday, Oct 14 2018

hleedokdo611

Should I cancel my score? (2nd test)

Hi. I'm an international and I took the October test in Asia today.

Score cancellation was never an option, until this afternoon after I stepped out of the testing room feeling absolutely defeated.

I took my first LSAT in June after 3 months of study and got 161. From then on I drilled through most of the PTs except for the very recent ones (PT 80 onward), scoring in the range of 162-169. I felt better prepared and so decided to retake this month.

The exam was a lot more challenging than I expected, definitely so compared to the recent PTs I've been practicing with. I didn't make any Scantron mistakes, finished every section in time and bubbled in all the answers. But of course, having finished every section in time doesn't mean that I nailed each of them. I am pretty convinced that I bombed an LR section, for which I circled around 7 questions and had to take a wild guess on 2-3 of them. LG has always been my strong suit, but today I got stuck with a grouping question and had to guess 3 questions. As for RC, I don't feel so confident either - don't think I ruined it but I definitely could've done better.

My target score is 166+. It was my plan to apply this cycle, but I can wait a year and apply next cycle if I must.

I'm considering cancelling my score because I heard that law schools tend to view multiple scores negatively. I would wait for the results if it was my first go at LSAT, but seeing that this is my 2nd test I can't afford to take chances. Trying to gauge all the possibilities before I make a big decision.

So, here are some questions I wanted to ask:

  • Considering my situation, do you think I should cancel my score, retake and apply next cycle? Why or why not?
  • How do law schools view applicants with 3 or more LSAT scores?
  • Similarly, how do schools view score cancellations?
  • Please excuse the poor writing. I would appreciate honest opinions.

    Thanks.

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    hleedokdo611
    Sunday, Oct 14 2018

    Took it in Korea.

    Turns out I got an experimental RC, which I really hoped to be the real thing because I found it a lot easier than the first one. The first LR (the one with chimps learning to trade) was challenging, while the second (the one with jurors using cell phones in the court room) was a breeze.

    Not so sure about LG... got stuck with a game pretty bad and had to guess 2-3 questions.

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    PT134.S2.Q16
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    Wednesday, Feb 13 2019

    Parallel Flaw, Curve-breaker

    B (ET) → B (UFO)

    /UFO

    Assumptions:

    1. /UFO → B (UFO) false

    2. B (UFO) false → B (ET) false

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    B (ET) false

    Assumption #2 does not follow logically. We cannot say B (ET) false unless we confirm /ET (ET doesn't exist.)

    The flaw here is that the argument mistakes B (ET) → B (UFO) for ET → UFO.

    If we substitute the latter with the original premise, we get a valid argument:

    ET → UFO

    /UFO

    /ET

    (/ET → B (ET) false)

    ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

    B (ET) false

    .

    (A) is correct because it commits the same flaw:

    B (U) → B (C)

    /C

    ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

    /U

    *The conclusion does not exactly say B (U) false, but recall the implicit premise that /X → B (X) false.

    Therefore, /U → B (U) false.

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    PT151.S3.Q16
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    hleedokdo611
    Tuesday, Mar 12 2019

    Consider this analogy:

    Radioactive waste cannot be recycled.

    For this reason, we cannot recycle many spent nuclear fuel rods.

    Unless the majority of the spent fuel rods are radioactive, then there is no point in saying that many spent fuel rods cannot be recycled for this reason (that radioactive waste cannot be recycled).

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    PT143.S3.Q21
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    Tuesday, Sep 11 2018

    Eliminated E because I thought the conditional was backwards...

    Now I see that E is not a conditional logic but rather a correlation (The longer in use, the more widely used).

    Tricky question!

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    hleedokdo611
    Sunday, Jul 08 2018

    Thank you @ and @ for your advice!

    I feel more comfortable now knowing that it's the nature of the relationship that matters more than the number of courses taken. I think I will send them an email next week to see if they're available for a meeting at the office.

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    hleedokdo611
    Sunday, Jul 08 2018

    3 PTs a week is way too much. I quote this directly from J.Y. when I met him in person last month.

    I know this from my own experience because I was in the exact same situation earlier this year. I put in my next test date and the 7Sage Study Schedule tells me I have 3-4 PTs to take per week. My response was just go with it, and each week I was tormented with the stress of cramming taking a PT, BR, fool proofing LG, drilling, reviewing CC and so forth, times 3.

    It was only last month when I met J.Y. (he visited my city to provide offline RC sessions) that I realized I had been doing it all wrong. He explicitly said 3 PTs a week is way too much. He added that taking 1 PT every week or every two weeks coupled with a thorough Blind Review + drilling is an ideal pace, provided you have laid down firm foundations through the Core Curriculum. If only I got to meet him earlier :(

    I do not presume that his words would apply to everyone equally - laying out the study schedule really depends on your abilities and how much time you have left. But at the same time I do not think J.Y. would have ruled out the 3-PTs-a-week plan if it had a slight chance of working to the student's advantage.

    Hi all. I'm an international student so please excuse me for my poor writing.

    So I plan on applying this cycle, having taken the June LSAT and waiting till the results come out next week. In the meantime I intend to proceed with my application including the personal statement and LORs, but I am having some difficulty deciding whom to ask for a Letter of Recommendation.

    I'm in my senior year at college at the moment and I'm pretty confident that I've done a fair job in getting good grades. But when it comes to my relationship with professors, I'm not as confident that most professors I have taken courses from know me well enough to write a convincing LOR.

    True, I have had some meaningful interaction with a few of them and I know for sure that they would not hesitate to recommend me, but I'm not so certain as to whether I should ask them; I've only taken a single course from each of them, which I would say is not a very convincing indicator that the recommender is well aware of my qualities.

    In short, is it a bad idea to ask a professor for LOR even though I took only one course from them? I would appreciate your advice.

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    hleedokdo611
    Thursday, Feb 07 2019

    Hi @,

    Hailing from Seoul here. Glad to see other 7Sagers in the vicinity!

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    PT135.S1.Q20
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    hleedokdo611
    Friday, Oct 05 2018

    (D) proposes a counterexample:

    Small studies are so damn common that there are 10,000 of them in total.

    Large studies are not so common, so there are only 100 of them in total.

    Let's say newspapers report on 40 small studies that are dramatic and 20 large studies that are dramatic.

    Dramatic + small studies/All small studies = 40/10,000 = 0.4%

    Dramatic + large studies/All large studies = 20/100 = 20%

    In this scenario, large studies are way more likely to be dramatic in general, despite that newspapers report on more dramatic + small studies than dramatic + large studies.

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    PT114.S4.Q13
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    Monday, Feb 04 2019

    Here is how I interpreted (D) as a strengthening AC:

    If both groups rejected cereals low in sugar even when they were heavily advertised, that could mean that they have a natural preference for sugary cereal.

    This leads to an alternative explanation that it was because of the children's natural preference, regardless of how many TV ads they were bombarded with, that they chose the sugary cereal.

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    PT109.S3.Q21
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    Friday, Aug 03 2018

    (SA: Nations' economies prosper → Gov't economists examine every significant factor that affects economy)

    P: International factors significantly affect nation's economy

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    C: Nations' economies prosper → Gov't economists must look beyond national borders (= must look at international factors)

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    PT138.S2.Q23
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    Tuesday, Jan 01 2019

    This question might seem impossible at first glance, but if you look into it it's very cookie-cutter:

    JPB → KLE

    JPB ("as we sometimes are")

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    KLE

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    Not (KLE → /FP) = KLE & FP

    Since we've established KLE, the sufficient condition we need is JPB → FP

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