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Tuesday, Mar 29 2022

This is my perspective:

No school, not even HYS, is worth $380,000 in debt strictly for Big Law. That is a crippling amount of debt that will set you back years. People here need to realize that $380,000 is equivalent to taking out a mortgage for a home in America. It's unfathomable to think about.

Now say you did get into HYS and you have to pay $380,000. Assuming you applied broadly enough, if you are good enough to get into HYS, then you are probably good enough to get into the other T-14 schools with (hopefully) a scholarship. If Big Law is the only thing that matters, then at this point choose the cheaper T-14 school over HYS on pure sticker price.

T-14 is not the only path to Big Law. Sure, you will have to work harder and there is no guarantee but you can get to Big Law from many regional schools (depending on the region). For example --> Fordham to NYC, UIUC to Chicago, UNC to Charlotte, Emory to Atlanta and so forth.

I got with a "HOLD" yesterday morning from a school I am interested in. No other information other than saying they have reviewed my file once but have not made a decision yet - accept, deny, or WL.

I've heard mixed responses. Some people say to send an LOCI and others say to not do anything to not burden law school officers with more materials.

I have no idea what the best thing to do is. Should I send an LOCI or should I sit down and do nothing?

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Tuesday, Jul 27 2021

Ever play the game "RED LIGHT, GREEN LIGHT!" as a kid? That's how I approach RC. Let me explain:

As mentioned by the previous commenter, RC is about reading for structure. That means you should be less concerned with understanding everything and more about hunting and finding key ideas in the passage.

Therefore, when I read, I SLOW DOWN (like at a Red Light) if I see an important idea (author's opinion, shifts in perspective, etc.). But when I see supporting information like "For Example" or "In Addition," I just keep moving on (like at a Green Light). That means I don't take the time to really dwell on what those information are saying because they're not main ideas. I still read them but I just keep moving on and I trust that if the questions ask me something about it, I can always go back to the passage.

I used to be the person who tried to understand everything in RC. That didn't work out for me. Now, I read for structure and key ideas and I only then go back to the passage for small details IF the question specifically asks me to.

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Tuesday, Jul 27 2021

While I do agree with you that "some" on Weaken/Strengthen questions are often not the correct answer, it is not bulletproof. There are absolutely questions where the correct answer does hinge on "some."

What I will recommend though is this - if you are short on time or absolutely lost, I would use this "some" as an easy way to narrow the answer choices. But again, only when it's in that situation.

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Tuesday, Jul 27 2021

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LSAT fatigue?

I've been studying pretty regularly and do only a few hours a day to try and avoid burnout. But starting this past weekend, I feel... tired? Like not physically tired but just tired of the exam overall. I've been on the grind for so long that I've grown tired of studying for it as well as dealing with all the highs and lows that come with the exam.

Took a LR section today and shockingly got -9 when I usually get -3/-4. I definitely felt that my attention was scattered and my desire to study and review after was pretty low.

Is this LSAT fatigue? Anybody else feel this or know how to counter it? I thought limiting my studying and sleeping well was helping so I'm not sure what is going on..

I've been drilling LR questions for my weak spots for a while now. And I certainly think I am getting better at them. Yesterday I did a set of Weaken questions, which used to be a huge weak spot, but I got nearly all of them right. I was very happy about that.

The only thing that concerned me was that I took a pretty long time on the set of questions, sometime 5 minutes on each question. There was no actual rush as I was more focused on my mechanics and that I actually did the questions well. But a lot of the time was spent because there was maybe 1-2 answers that I could not rule out and I kept try to reason why they wouldn't be the case.

My question is this - if doing these questions timed, do you ever feel ultra-confident with your answer on harder LR questions before you move on? My gut instinct usually tells me why I feel drawn to a specific answer (and usually its the right one) but I can't rule out other answers as quickly as I like. But under timed conditions, you got to move and it all happens so fast.

What are people's thoughts on this? Is this a bad thing or does timed pressure mean you proceed forward with something less than 100% certainty?

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Friday, Aug 20 2021

It generally is pretty late. But what I have heard is that if you are dead set on going to law school for the coming fall, make sure to ace the LSAT.

Getting a high LSAT score in January > applying earlier with a lower score.

In a perfect world, you would have a dream score and apply early but if you have to choose one or the other, the LSAT always wins.

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Thursday, Aug 19 2021

If you are able to get to -1 and -2 on LR untimed, it means you know the material well. It’s time to drop the training wheels and rampen up the intensity by going timed sections consistently. This will be uncomfortable at first as your score will drop but that is where you really critically need to Blind Review after each timed section.

When you do timed, you fall back on the unconscious habits and techniques you have internalized. In the heat of the moment, you are going to do exactly what you’ve been doing, not what you think you should do. Hope that makes sense.

And then in BR, you should be asking yourself, why did I do the question like that? Why did I take so long? And then reflect on things you should have done, things you should have noticed and then internalize that for the next round.

So get in the boxing ring, get the shit knocked out of you, review the film for what you should have done against yourself opponent, internalize it, and then go back in again.

And then sooner or later, your score will keep going up and then the roles will reverse. That once scary beast of an opponent called “Timing” will start to get his ass handed to him daily until he is your little b****

That’s how you do it. Untimed is to build up the knowledge and fundamentals. Timed sections is now where you refine it. The more you delay timed at this point, the longer you delay your progress.

You know the material absolutely. So get in the boxing ring and beat this exam’s ass

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Tuesday, Aug 17 2021

I'm in that same boat but with former employers haha. I feel you with that sense of embarrassment.

The best advice I can give is this - just send a polite email explaining that you need his assistance again, thank him, hit send, smile, and just walk away :)

The key to shaking off embarrassment is realizing that nobody gives a shit about things that don't really affect them. They may spare you a thought or even check up, but once that is over, they'll just move on with life.

It's in moments like these where we realize nobody cares so you do what you need to do!

Plus, reusing recs are totally fine. I've been told that quality recs are difficult to get and admins realize that. So don't worry about reusing them because at the end of the day, the substance contained in them is what matters most.

This is something I wish I could tell my younger self when I first started off studying. When I first started, I had this mindset of "If I study 5 hours a day and do 100 questions... yeah I'll definitely crush this exam." Yeah, I was definitely cocky with that mentality and now I realize how foolish I was back then to think that haha. But the reason for that is much of our exams in college and high school were fueled by this kind of approach. Whether it be a biology exam or history exam, if you memorized a fact, YOU KNOW and can regurgitate that on paper. "What year was the Declaration of Independence signed? Oooh easy, 1776!"

The LSAT is different. It is less a content exam and more of a skills exam. The exam tests very specific skills that, if you hone them well, will serve you extremely well come test day.

For example, in Logical Reasoning, it is all about evaluating the argument. What does it mean to evaluate the argument? It means you have to be able to find the Conclusion, identify the Premises, pause and think about any assumptions being made, and then figuring out why the correct answer is correct while all the others are bad. To be able to do all this quickly is a skill and the most critical skill on the section.

When I started off, I didn't think much about the above and my basis for success came down to how many questions I got right on a problem set. "Yes, I got 4 out of 5 right! I'm ready for this man!" But the I would just keep getting the same low score over and over and over.

The problem was that I may have gotten the correct answer a few times but I never fully understood why nor did I fully integrate the correct processes to be able to get them consistently right.

The best example is shooting a basketball. I was lucky enough to hit a few shots in a row but come game day, I couldn't hit them consistently time and time again. The only way to make this work is to make sure you integrated the correct processes into your brain so that it is seamless. That's why players like Steph Curry no long think when they shoot. They just shoot because the skill is so embedded in them.

That's where you want to be in LSAT prep. It is far more beneficial for you to take the time to figure just what skills the LSAT is testing and then figuring out the methods to consistently practice those skills over and over.

Your goal should not be "I want to finish 50 questions in 3 hours," but rather "Did I understand just these 5 questions and how to correctly approach them next time?" The latter is far more beneficial and will serve you well because the LSAT repeats the same concepts over and over. The same flaws, the same games, the same RC passages come up over and over. If you could to figure out the best way to tackle these problems the first time around and integrate them, you'll be ready to ace them without blinking the next time you see them.

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Tuesday, Aug 17 2021

Something I want to encourage people that I wish I had known at the beginning of my prep is to figure out what it means to study smart and not study hard. This is critical especially if you are trying to balance work and study. Let me explain...

Mike Kim elaborates on this in The LSAT Trainer about the purpose of good habits. Good habits are what will help you succeed on the exam more so than hard work.

The LSAT is a unique skills test. It tests very specific skills on each of the sections. That means if you can hone those skills in the time that you do have, then you are much better off than pounding away on questions.

For example, Logical Reasoning tests your ability to figure out why an argument is bad. Rather than doing 20 questions hurriedly in 2-3 hours that you do have and being like: "Nice, I got the correct answer here!" or "No, I got this wrong. Ugh!" your time would be better spent on just 5 questions and really sitting on how to break down the stimulus. What is the conclusion? What are the premises? What are key words in the conclusion that don't show up in the premises? What assumptions is this argument making? Why is this the correct answer? Why are these the incorrect answers?

Even 1 hour spent figuring out the above and then storing them into the correct habits will GO FAR and AWAY at helping you be better at the LSAT then pounding away on questions for however much time you have.

Good LSAT studying is about quality, not quantity. You can succeed on less time if you know what you need to do to develop those good habits. Why? Because the same LR question types show up, the same flaws, the same game types, the same passage types and so forth. Everything repeats so wouldn't it be worth your time to figure out the correct way to consistently get to the same answer over and over?

If you are short on time, I encourage you to spend some time actually thinking about these things. I promise you that if you really do think about the specific skills you need to hone, you will save a lot of time, money and even heartbreak in preparing for this exam.

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Thursday, Aug 12 2021

I think Loophole has definite benefits but I don't think it's the world-beater that Amazon and other places rave about.

A huge chunk of its rave reviews stem from 2 very specific techniques called Translation and CLIR. But Translation simply means reading closely in a way that makes it easier for you to remember what the stimulus is saying. To me, that was just slowing down and thinking about what each sentence said before you go on.

And CLIR is simply just predicting the answer before you go into the answers.

These 2 techniques are very good but they have been preached about for a long time by many tutors and companies. Reading carefully and aiming to predict the answer is at the heart of LR fundamentals. So it introduces 2 things that have already been in place for a very long time.

So it is definitely good but I wouldn't say it will necessarily lead to magical improvements simply by reading it. If your fundamentals are poor, use the book to build better fundamentals up and your score will get better.

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Thursday, Aug 12 2021

You will not be penalized so go ahead and do it!

But I do think LSAC is aware of this supposed advantage so do be mindful they may twist things up a little. What I mean by that is that they may use synonyms or so in the answers so that you can't just Cntrl + F everything. They have to make it a little interesting. It's one of the observations I noticed when doing RC in the 80's.

So go ahead and use it but just be mindful of what LSAC may potentially do!

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Thursday, Aug 12 2021

The honest, brutal truth of the LSAT is this - "if what you are doing isn't working, you need to change something." It sounds obvious but that's the reality. The LSAT is a skills and habits test. It tests certain specific skills that are honed via good habits.

If you're not scoring where you ultimately want, it is in your best interest to reschedule. I know that's probably not what you want to hear but I only say that because it's very difficult to make updates to your strategies and skills drastically in just a few days. It takes some time to hone the new skills and strategies that are most effective.

Spending an extra $200 to reschedule is much better in my opinion than to risk having another score on your record that you do not want. And then spend that extra time reflecting on possible new techniques/strategies that would be more effective to you.

For example, I didn't start scoring consistently better on LR until I started reading the question stem first and skipping aggressively. Those 2 things were things that I NEVER considered trying until someone suggested it. I then tried it and my score flew.

Before entering the PT's in the 80's, I used to blaze through the LR questions and would get -4/-5. Obviously, not perfect but a solid result.

But once I entered the 80's, my LR started dipping and I end up getting -7 to -9. I took a step back and tried to see what's going on.

I'm starting to find that a lot of the flaws and assumptions in LR in the 80's are still the same, but they are disguised with more convoluted language, both in the stimulus and in the answers. This has forced me to have to slow down now and really untangle the language in both the stimulus and answers now.

Is this something people have noticed or am I just going crazy? Lol.

I used to love blazing through the sections, but am wondering if I need to slow down now to attain accuracy on the more recent PT's.

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Tuesday, Aug 10 2021

I think this particular passage is a great example of why you should not get hung up on trying to understand the entire passage, but rather to focus on understanding some of the key points and the overall structure of the passage. If you have superior memory and can understand everything, more power to you but I think it is absolutely not necessary and it can actually hurt you because you spend too much time reading and trying to understand everything.

This is how I mapped out the key points and structure of passage:

Paragraph 1 - This is what neurobiologists once believed but they were confused about a part of it. So in comes the alternative theory.

Paragraph 2 - Alternative theory eventually wins acceptance but there was an obstacle. But aha! we have new evidence to solve that obstacle.

Paragraph 3 - Here is more discussion on that new evidence.

Paragraph 4 - This new evidence has further implications on other areas of science.

That is literally all I focused on and everything I needed to complete this passage in 8 minutes. And when I wasn't sure, I just went back to the passage using my map above to guide me.

Focus on the forest y'all, not on the trees. I honestly believe these dense passages are LSAC's way of tripping people up. Remember, you don't need specialized knowledge to succeed on the LSAT. The exam tests specific skills and here, it's all about seeing the key points and where to find them in the passage.

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Tuesday, Aug 10 2021

It should be noted, however, that LSAC will most likely make an announcement when they will remove Logic Games for good - meaning it won't come out of nowhere.

LSAC has generally given ample notice when they make major changes - they announced way ahead of time when they were moving to full digital, when they were going add back the experimental section and so forth.

My opinion is just purely speculation but I would reckon LSAC won't do anything with LG over this coming cycle with the chaos of COVID. If they did eventually choose to remove it, I think they would start next cycle (at the soonest but even that is probably too soon) and they would make an announcement way ahead of time.

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Friday, Sep 10 2021

I'm in the exact same boat as you. I was in mid to high 160's and got a score in the 150's.

I actually teared up. I couldn't believe it. I hadn't scored so low in over a year.

I would not be surprised if they overcorrected it but what would they have done is what I am wondering?

Would they tighten the curve by doing a -8 to -6 for a 170 or -20 to -17 for a 160?

I dunno, I'm just as lost as you.

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Friday, Sep 10 2021

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Did anyone else do worse for August?

There seems to be a massive uproar on Reddit about this. I'm sure it happens every test but this one just feels odd to me.

I did much, much worse than my last LSAT and am completely devastated. Months of hard work and money have gone into this exam with nothing to show for it other than a worse official score.

I just hate how much of this exam makes a difference for law school admissions. After today, I feel like it's time to give up on those law school dreams.

Am I the only one who feels like this?

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Monday, Aug 09 2021

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What does everyone eat to fuel their body?

With the August test coming up, anyone want to share what they eat to fuel their body and nourish their minds? :)

This also coming from someone a little older who can't handle junk food like I was able to when I was in college haha

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Monday, Aug 09 2021

This is one of those questions where I believe the Negation Test may actually be hurtful if you don't use it correctly versus just reading the answer choice as it is. Remember - it's a Necessary Assumption so this needs to be true or else the argument doesn't make sense.

The argument rambles on and on about this maximum wage law and how it will stop executives from cutting their employees' wages.

(E) comes in and just says "If the law is enacted, one or more executives won't cut wages."

Well, yeah... that has to be true. You spent all this time talking about wages and how this law would stop executives so yeah, we should expect one or more of them not to cut wages.

Sometimes, the correct answer on NA are just so glaringly obvious assumptions if you take the time to understand what the answer is saying in the first place.

I'm just curious if anyone feels the same way. Every time I take the LSAT, it feels like a massive race against time and there really isn't a moment where I feel relaxed. It's go-time from beginning to end.

By the end of a section, I just keep thinking "What the heck just happened..." It's like I'm grasping for air by the time I'm done because it's just pure adrenaline from beginning to end.

I wonder if this is normal or if top scorers are just chilling...lol

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Wednesday, Sep 08 2021

Stressed as well but hoping for the best! At this point, I'm just mentally worn out from this exam. I want to be on the other side and done with this forever!

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Friday, Oct 08 2021

Great points but one more thing I want to mention that I think would GREATLY diminish test day penalty - Aim to do EXACTLY what you would do on your real thing as you would on a PT.

That probably seems easier said than done but I think it's worth noting still. Most people who struggle with test anxiety feel a need to do something DIFFERENT on test-day. It could be as simple as hesitating on an easy question that you would normally just move on from, just because it's the real thing.

For me, I once suffered a test-day penalty because I felt the need to SPEED things up for some darn reason and it cost me. My process is always to go slow as slow = accuracy and accuracy = speed. But nope, I just sped up for some reason out of anxiety and I paid the price.

Try to strive to do your absolute best to do EXACTLY what you would do on a PT and aim only for that.

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Saturday, Aug 07 2021

There have been research that shows that when you are introduced to new stimuli (aka a new environment, a new format, etc.), it takes some time to adjust to it, which explains why your score could have dropped.

I don't believe at all it is indicative of your abilities but rather that you're just not fully used to the format just yet. Totally normal. Spend the next couple days practicing in that format and sooner than later, you'll get the hang of it :)

So I know the most recent PT's are obviously the most representative of the real thing... but I am running short on these and so I have had to now turn to older PT's to compensate and get that "never before seen" experience.

I know the test has changed a lot since the 1990's but could performance on these still help serve as an accurate predictor of one's scores?

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Friday, Aug 06 2021

I think #27 is a great example of why it's so important to confirm against the passage rather than relying purely on memory. Unless you have an exceptionally good memory, the broad idea you would get from reading the passage is that the author is not really a big fan of the traditional ethics method. So with this in mind, I went into the answers with something like: "Author is negative about it."

But after reading the answers and seeing how similar they were, I went back and noticed Lines 18-19 which says "a traditional ethics course CAN be valuable." So while he isn't a big fan, he does concede there are some positives to it.

That was enough to eliminate A, B, and D, which all say "disapproval of all its effects" and make it much easier to eventually choose the correct answer.

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Thursday, Aug 05 2021

I would wait until the prep course. And here's why - if you take preptests even before you finished the core curriculum, you are going to miss questions simply because you were never exposed to that concept just yet. Plus, it's during the curriculum phase where you start honing good habits and strategies.

The purpose of taking preptests should be to assess how well you know the material in timed conditions while using good strategies. But if you don't know what you don't know, as well as having bad habits, then why take it anyways?

Finish the curriculum and start going hard on PT's then. The LSAT is a journey, not a sprint. Take the time now to form good habits and learn well. You will do better on PT's then.

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Thursday, Aug 05 2021

Yes, I absolutely do this. But it's not necessarily conscious, meaning I'm not thinking about doing them in the moment. I just do it because it's become a habit.

That's kind of where you ultimately want to be in your LSAT journey. Form good habits/techniques that become so automatic that on test day, you're not even thinking of doing them. You just do them.

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Thursday, Aug 05 2021

Hmmm if there are no other factors that could be contributing to the lack of stamina, then I suppose it could be worth delaying to October. I'm just hesitant to suggest that because if you score in the 170's, you are clearly ready material-wise. But I do suppose it's a factor in considering to push back.

If you know 100% that stamina is holding you up from scoring your potential, have enough PT's to hold you through, and are okay with testing later than you would have expected, then it does seem like a sound reason to reschedule.

But again, please consider rescheduling carefully.

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Thursday, Aug 05 2021

A couple of things to think about:

When you take the exam, do you take it an optimal time for your brain? I notice a huge difference in focus and stamina if I take it in the morning after coffee versus after work when I'm exhausted. That alone could be the difference.

Do you "check out" because of the experimental section? I was guilty of this early on because knowing that it was not scored made me treat the section a little more lightly than I should have in my PT's. That could play a role in the score dip.

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Monday, Jul 05 2021

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Should we pay attention to "Target Times?"

I've been grinding on RC for the longest time but I just can't ever seem to hit the supposed "Target Times" for each of the passages.

Sometimes I get 100% accuracy but I finish a passage in 9 minutes when the target time says 7 minutes. Or I finish an 8-question, really difficult science passage in 11 minutes but target time says 9 minutes.

Anyone else find that discouraging? Accuracy has gotten significantly higher but I just can't ever reach those target times listed out. It makes me wonder if I need to change my process up or something.

What do people think?

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Wednesday, Aug 04 2021

Give yourself some distance between those passages and revisit them a few days later to apply the technique. There is nothing wrong with repeating passages but some distance will help you refine the technique.

I also want to note that you can literally apply the Memory Method anywhere, anytime. It's literally about forcing your brain to remember as much as possible. The more you test it out, the better you'll get at remembering.

So I encourage you - try it out on a blog, an article, a newspaper, whatever. Bite off a few paragraphs and apply your technique there.

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Wednesday, Aug 04 2021

I know this won't really sound like helpful advice, but I honestly found that conditional language just takes time to absorb and master. Unless you thought conditionally your whole life, being at a point where conditional language just comes naturally takes time. For me, a few months to be exact.

What I will say is that you can expedite this process by weaning off flashcards and practicing constantly via questions. LG also have a ton of conditional language so you can practice there as well.

It's always through real practice through questions that familiarity and mastery is bred, not be regurgitating terms on a flashcard (of which I am guilty of).

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Tuesday, Aug 03 2021

Hey man, this is actually a pretty common sentiment so I hope you know you are not alone.

I myself saw a drop in LR when I hit the PT's in the 80's. I also thought they were just way harder than older LR.

What I think now is the LR is different, but not necessarily harder. They are different in the sense that they may use terminology or synonyms for words in the stimulus that you would not expect if you are looking for a specific word. Or that they are different when they completely ignore a conditional chain statement in favor of an inference that hinges on one or two words.

So it can seem harder, but I would argue that it's just different. If you were putting up -3 to -5 previously, you definitely have the skills to ace LR. Think of it instead as adaptation. You have to adapt slightly to face your new opponent.

There is a reason why people stress practicing with the most recent PT's. It gives you a sense of how the LSAC could be evolving and how you need to adapt to fight your opponent.

So I'm trying to improve on my LR and I usually have the most trouble with the most difficult LR questions (4 or 5 stars). A common question type here are really challenging Strengthen and Weaken questions.

I often review these missed questions in-depth and try to practice them untimed. While I do get these questions right again untimed, in timed conditions, I miss them over and over.

How do you get to a level of acing these questions consistently? I feel like the biggest issue is getting them correct under the intense time pressure

I’m a new 7Sage user. Been studying for the exam for a while and recently took a PT today where I scored a 161 but a 170 for BR.

How much should I read into this? I’ve been in low-160’s long time but this is personal high for a BR score.

I know it’s not the real score but wondering how one should read into it and what it represents?

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