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Thursday, Aug 27 2015

I guess my question is how do you figure out this:

"No type of technology will fail to undermine the values in a social system, then what is really being said is that All technologies WILL undermine the values in a social system."

I thought the opposite of no=some. How did it become All?

ie I would expected it to be SOME technologies will undermine, (ie labor saving ones) not ALL.

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Saturday, Sep 26 2015

hmmm. isn't D diagrammed backwards. ie. All students can participate in recess after the bell has rung.

Bell doesn't ring, they can't go to recess.

ring -----> recess

Recess ----> Ring

All employees can participate after they have been with the company for 1 year.

Not 1 year service then can't participate

1 year ----> participate

Participate -----> 1year +

Gavin is 3 years instead of 1. And then they conclude that he must participate from a can premise. That is why it doesn't match. I think there is error in the video.

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Saturday, Sep 26 2015

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pt 65 s 4 q24 error?

hmmm. isn't D diagrammed backwards. ie. All students can participate in recess after the bell has rung.

Bell doesn't ring, they can't go to recess.

~ring -----> ~recess

Recess ----> Ring

All employees can participate after they have been with the company for 1 year.

Not 1 year service then can't participate

~1 year ----> ~participate

Participate -----> 1 year +

Video instead says 1 year + ----------> participate?

Gavin is 3 years instead of 1. And then they conclude that he must participate from a can premise. That is why it doesn't match. I think there is error in the video.

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Friday, Sep 25 2015

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pt 65 section 4 # 14

Main Point question, I agonize between B and E. B is wrong because they never said it was not the only factor? But isn't E wrong as well because the conclusion was about unlikely that a prediction will occur where as E said probably will not? Isn't E kind of too definitive?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-4-question-21/

Between a/c B and C. Firstly I have issues with how the Conclusion is about labor savng technology tends to undermine values--- being interpreted as a conditional statement. We do not know it is guaranted because it is just a TENDENCY. So if when I golf it tends to rain, you cannot make that a conditional statement. Because if it doesn't rain that doesn't mean I cannot golf. I can golf and it not rain. That is why C doesn't make sense to me. You have to view the last sentence as a C.S. for it to. B is a better answer. No type of tech will fail to undermine the values of a social system = a type of tech will undermine the values in a social system. Yes that type of tech is labour saving tech. so it seems correct.

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Tuesday, Aug 25 2015

Ok thanks guys, that did clarify.

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Friday, Sep 25 2015

It varies, 156 on the low side/harder test 162 on older test in the 40-early 60s test so anywhere from 161-156 on new test I never seen before.

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Monday, Aug 24 2015

^Your explanation is fairly good, but what about the weaknesses of a society part, I eliminated B on that grounds, we don't know about the alleged weakness or what it would constitute or how that would play into, I thought, well that means B is out of scope. Because in a war like society maybe hostility can be viewed as good!

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Monday, Aug 24 2015

The above is not a bad answer, but I need a more concrete reason. If I had no reason why B was right that would help, but I can see how they are both right.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-40-section-3-question-18/

Between Answer Choice A and B. I am having some issues.

I am looking at this question thinking ok, Historians do not take the playwrights serious because they exaggerate how bad their own socieities are compared to other societies. So Shakespeare will say English society is evil and french society is meh or good.

This makes A look attractive but B too.

A is a good answer because if playwrights are more critical of their own society than others then they are being inaccurate of their portrayls and it would explain why Historians do not want to use them.

B is good because he is saying playwrights exaggerate the bad for dramatic reasons. The reason I eliminated B was because we do not really know that they exaggerate the "Weakness" of a society or that it is even viewed as a weakness. It does resolve the discrpenancy kind of but I felt A was way way stronger answer.

A says explicitly why historians don't take it serious and it resolves both issues. Historians don't take it serious because the playwrights are just more critical and the playwrights want you to empathisize so they are more critical of their own society.

I really struggle with these types, analyticals told me so and I knew it to be true, the art passages are the worse, they tend to be full of alot of fluff words that I don't know the meaning of, I look them up so it has improved somewhat, but I don't know where I could find more passages written like this. For instance, I initially struggled with science passages but then started reading physics articles and peer reviewed physics articles and watching physics videos on stuff like dark matter so now I am fairly ok with them. I was wondering what would be the equivalent for art/literature type passages. Think like the Cameron art passage or the dostoyevsky type literature passage. Where are these articles drawn from and where can I read more of them so I can become more familiar with these types of concepts.

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Wednesday, Oct 21 2015

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pt 45 s1 q 21

I have a question on how the video comes to the contrapositive of the answer choice.

"there are many records of major meteor impacts that do not seem to have been followed by mass extinction"

in the stimulus

becomes

""...then all major meteor impacts would be followed by mass extinction"

I understand we need

P ---> -CCL

or

CCL---->-p

And that this is to be P3. But how is all the contrapositive of many? Many could potentially be All. Shouldn't the right answer here be not many aka none, no, etc?

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Monday, Sep 21 2015

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pt 61 s2 q17

I am having a little difficulty eliminating answer choice C here. I understand that the single guest is analogous to the standard antibiotic, which leaves me with a and c. I don't understand why it is not the pleasure part though? Ie. the stimulus says one meal that will please a single guest. So to me C looked "righter" because it matches the pleasure concept as well.

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Thursday, Aug 20 2015

Thank you C janson, The some...not version is actually very clear, and your example of cats and dogs was useful. It allowed me to solve the question conceptually as well.

@. I agree the right inference is /TACsomeRCRC OR RCRCsome/TAC. Either way makes no difference. I just don't agree with you that, this is what B is saying. B doesn't say anything about not active people. It tells you about active people. I think you are actually misreading the answer choice if you think it does.

The reason this is a difficult question is because the writer of this question attacked it from the other side that we are use to with inference questions. I took me two hours thinking about it and reading what C janson wrote but there are several to go about solving this, and I am posting them just for any future test taker.

Spring Cleanup

|------------------------------|-------------------------|

Certificate

(-------------------------------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(-----------------)

B says nothing about people who are Not Active in the art circle. What B IS saying is that Not ALL the people who got a certificate ARE active in the art circle. What this really means is that EVERYONE who got a certificate CANNOT be in the art circle. Why? Because if this were true, then the Not Active in the art circle line would be pushed out from getting certificates and cleanup. Because all certificate people active in the art circle

Spring Cleanup

|------------------------------|-------------------------|

Certificate

(-----------------------------|--------------)

Active in art circle

(------------------------------------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(-----------------)

This would tell us that those not active in the art circle cannot have a certificate. And that simply cannot be true based on the information from the passage. Therefore since it cannot be true, we know there must be at least 1 guy who has a certificate and is not active in the art circle. Then all of them can not be active in the art circle. Which is why NOT ALL those with certificate must be in the art circle. If that were the case it just makes the Not active and certificate holding possible.

Although for this question, I prefer C. Janson way of solving it, because it is conceptually difficult to grasp in the minute you have on the LSAT question to figure this out. So it is far easier to just recognize, not all = some...not and solve it.

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Wednesday, Aug 19 2015

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"What does answer choice B say? Not all of those who receive community recognition certificates are active in the town's artistic circles. Not all implies what? Some.

RCRCsome/TAC. "

I understand that some who get a certificate MUST overlap with some who are not active in the artistic circles. That certainly is clear. But that is not what answer choice B says. It says not all (some) who got a certificate are active in the towns circle. See you even repeated the language shift error above. The right must be true inference would be some who got a certificate are NOT active in the town's circle. You even wrote this as RCRCsome/TAC, so I know conceptually you agree with me. My issue isn't with the concept, it is with the wording of the answer. The problem is the answer choice B doesn't say that. It says the opposite. It says Not all (Some) who receive the certificate are active in the town's artistic circles. Answer choice B says RCRCsomeTAC. It isn't saying /TAC. And we know nothing about people in the artistic circles.

@. janson 35. If not all = some...not then yes B certainly is the correct answer. My question would then be how do you know not all =some...not. Is there a particular lesson I missed that it was in?

Also could you explain your abbrevations below, I am somewhat confused as which means which. ie which is /a and some p, and rc? thanks.

"which is the inference you get by putting together /A some P and P-->RC."

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Tuesday, Aug 18 2015

I am sorry, I meant B. I was implying B cannot be the correct answer, it was a typo above.

D was the answer that I saw as being correct (but is incorrect according to the answer key)

The reason I thought D was correct is because if you look at my map above

All people who get a certificate participate in the cleanup. However, I know it is wrong because it is a Could Be True Statement. As there could be other people who get certificates and who do not participate in cleanup. So when I came to this answer I first chose D as the better of 2 bad answers then eliminated them all.

You wrote:

"At least some spring clean up participants are not active in the town's artistic circle.

(PTSCsome/TAC)"

See there was a subtle switch here.

You represent NOT active in towns artist circle as

TAC (aka are active, we cannot do that, they mean opposite things). When it should be

-TAC or ~TAC.

This is why the answer choice B is wrong.

When you look at my initial map of course I see there is an overlap between not active in the art circle, spring cleanup and certificate. Any of these three could be combined to make a some statement.

Spring Cleanup

|-----------------|---------------|

Certificate

(-------------------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(------------)

When I finished this question, I predicted the answer would be some who got certificates are NOT active in the town's artistic circles. That would be a perfect inference

But look at the answer choice B

"Not all of those who receive community recognition certificates are active in the town's artistic circles. Not all implies what? Some"

I agree not all =some in lsat language.

So some who get a certificate are active in the town's circle is not a MBT. You'd have to assume to know something about a group you know NOTHING about. People who are ACTIVE in the town art circles.

The closest we get to being active in the towns art circle is being told about the downtown fair. Which is implied to mutually exclusive with the cleanup (and therefore we cannot infer anything about it) ie

Spring Cleanup

|----------|---------|

Certificate

(------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(---)

Downtown fair (assumed to be in active art circle)

|--------------------->

So some who got a certificate are NOT active in the town's artistic circles. The answer choice either has a typo or is a could be true. It could be true that you went to the downtown fair and are active in art circle and got a certificate (if you assume the fair and cleanup are not exclusive). But the inference is fair and cleanup were exclusive. It also could be true you got the certificate went to the cleanup and then went to the fair and are thus active in the art circle. That would make B the guaranteed answer. The problem is D COULD be true too. If you got the certificate you COULD have gone to the cleanup. So you have 2 could be true answers to a must question.

answer choice B is wrong because it says this MUST be true

Spring Cleanup

|----------|---------|

Certificate

(------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(---)

Downtown fair (assumed to be in active art circle)

|--------------------->

B says some who got a certificate MUST have been active in the art circles (presumably attended the fair). I agree it could be true. But it is not a must be true. The mutually exclusive way above is actually implied because the question suggest the fair and then cleanup were not plausible to be attended at the same time.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-43-section-3-question-21/

I am not sure if this is the right place to post question. But the video explanation was missing something to me.

So you have

Spring Cleanup

|---------------------------------|---------------------------------|

Certificate

(-----------------------------------------------------------)

Not Active in the art circle (some but some can mean all as well)

(------------)

Now there may be some kind of implicit assumption that Spring cleanup too place at the same time as the art fair. And some people at the spring cleanup are not active in town's artistics circles. So the assumption here is that if you did not go to the art fair, then you are not active in the town's artistic circles. And if you are active in artistic circles, you did go to the art's fair. It is also (seems) to be assuming that art fair and spring cleanup are mutually exclusive. We aren't really sure.

The answer choice makes no sense, we actually know nothing about people who ARE ACTIVE in the art circles. Which makes D impossible as an answer choice. You simply cannot conclude NOTHING about it. It Could Be True, but this is a MUST be true question.

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Wednesday, Sep 16 2015

Do you have a link to it?

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Monday, Sep 14 2015

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pt 58 section 4 #17

Premise

~Nobility -----> ~ Tragedy

(~ = negative)

Conclusion

~Fate -------> ~ Tragedy

It is obvious we must link the concept of Nobility and Fate. Making D right.

My question isn't D backwards? We need an answer choice going from premise to conclusion

~nobility ------> ~ fate

Fate ------>Nobility

Instead D says

~Fate ------> ~Nobility.

Nobility -----> Fate.

Technically wouldn't this be unnecessary since it is a reversal? I know some people might say o just ignore this or look at the contrapositive, but I've seen a few questions where the contrapositive usage of it was considered wrong over the actual way. Ie. the way D had it was wrong when another answer choice said fate > nobility.

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Sunday, Sep 13 2015

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pt 72 section3 q12

The video explanation was a bit murky here. I'm not so sure why the answer choice is C. I have a good theory on why people likely mistakenly pick C even though it is the right a/c. There are some issues I have with it.

1. its trying to say that if the number of science and engineering students in university programs has increased in the last 5 years then that is somehow proof or strengthening the idea of there being no shortage of scientist and engineers. This is a problematic shift, it requires us to assume they stay in that program, graduate it, AND work in that field. There is no evidence that these people have even graduated never mind ward off an IMMINENT and CATASTROPHIC shortage. Imminent means about to happen, how can people who entered university 3 years ago and are not even employed ward off and IMMINENT shortage? we don't even know when in the last 5 years this increase happened. We just know generally

2. It is also using a raw number to address a question about a total proportion. In otherwords, the correct answer choice here, C, is a percents and numbers FLAW! It would be like saying ok you have a shortage of 90% of workers. C is saying but you have a significant increase in the NUMBER of science grads, so what, you went from 10,000 to 50,000, that doesn't ward of the IMMINENT AND CATASTROPHIC shortage of 400,000 science grads needed. This matters because shortage means proportion it is a ratio not a raw number. It is the amount of jobs to job seeker ratio. You cannot solve this question with a total number.

3. I try to see how C could at least be right, but I have a real problem with it. I suspect most people don't recognize it as a ratio issue and just say yeah more students ----> more grads -----> -more job seekers ----->avert shortage and therefore Strengthen conclusion. There is a problem at literally everyone of these jumps but the worse one is you can have a significant increase of students, grads, job seekers, and still not avert an IMMINENT and catastrophic shortage. Maybe I am just not seeing where he is trying to strengthen correctly.

4. So which a/c would I have chosen? Probably D? Why, it is the only question who addresses the issue in the argument and thus has the POTENTIAL to strengthen. If certain science fields have an oversupply and others have a shortage. That indicates 2 thins. 1) For the oversupply field clearly there is no imminent and catastrophic shortage, supporting the conclusion. 2) For the shortage field there is also no imminent and catastrophic shortage, it is a shortage but its not described as imminent or catastrophic, so it indeed also supports the conclusion.

I know we are suppose to go back and do them, but for scoring purposes in the analytical tools, do we leave them as blanks or do we put our guess answer choice? Ie. my guess answer choice for questions is D. So for question 25, do I put in D, or should I leave it blank, so that in the odd chance it is right I don't get a false sense of knowing something I do not?

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Wednesday, Aug 12 2015

This solution needs improvement. The tricky part is understanding D. He needs to explain what D means as a conditional. Is it rise ---> -invest or invest ----> rise. That is why D is unclear as an answer choice. It is obvious it is a nec. suff flaw, the hard part is the answer wording of D.

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Saturday, Sep 12 2015

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pt 55 s3 q19

I actually understand C and how it is the answer, I am more confused around making sense of its meaning in a practical way, as it stands I need a way to understand how it was put it into practical understandable language (ie positive form) I watch the video and the answer choice was translated as : an ideal bureaucracy will always (never elminated) have (without eliminated) complaints about a problem that are not covered by regulation.

I'm just not sure what rules he was using to get here. Like when I come across these type of statements in the future, I need some method for dealing with them. Because I would have likely eliminated all the nots in the statement and I know it is wrong. Why did never become always instead of some times, and why did he elminate both without and never?

Would the negation test for this be:

an ideal bureaucracy will never have (without eliminated) complaints about a problem that are not covered by regulation.

or

an ideal bureaucracy will always/sometimes [not sure which one] (never elminated) have permanently without complaints about a problem that are not covered by regulation.

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Friday, Sep 11 2015

I certainly see how the 3rd sentence is A conclusion. Just not how it is the MAIN conclusion over 1st sentence. The 1st sentence is supported by the second, the 3rd sentence is supported by the 4th. So to me it looked kind of like a wash, both appear as answer choices.

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-55-section-1-question-18/

I am having trouble with these main point questions in general. It seems I always fall for the trap answer which is usually some kind of point just not the main one. In this one I picked C. I understand E matches that part of the passage after However, I just don't understand why it is the main point. The video explanation just kind of took it for granted that it was more clear that the first statement wasn't the conclusion. But it seemed to me that is what he was trying to convince me of and what the entire argument was structured around. The however part seemed more like it was supporting the first sentence.

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Monday, Aug 10 2015

Explain why 10 d is a bad answer choice. It is the deifnition of intellectual authority, it would seems to be a better fit

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Wednesday, Sep 09 2015

@, dang. I was hoping I could BR the ones I already wrote.

@.hopkins Because those in my class often jumped in score pretty quickly ie. went from low 150s or 140s to 160s in 3 months or so. Its like it came to them so much easier and I had to work so hard for it. I swear I took a class with a 17 year old who wasn't that bright and he was scoring a 169 by the 4th test. And we started around the same score. Made me think there was something wrong with me. And he wasn't the only one who had this kind of jump. We were scoring the same for first 3 test or so and by test 4 roughly 2 months in everyone had these huge jumps, where I just barely tick up in score. Anyhow I got 161 today write on test 65. I am going to start fresh BR tomorrow and try to go over as many of the lessons as I can before October.

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Friday, Oct 09 2015

Also I don't see how C was wrong, C makes it clear it is more political and this is what they wanted.

Invisible man passage.

I;m sorry I read the explanation, it still makes no sense to me how A has anything to do with the lines referred to. To me C look like the best answer because it is giving tribute to the ancestors and it involves political concept and critics thought it needed politics. Answer choice A doesn't address this. It requires a huge leap, how are we suppose to guess positive effect on social conditions mean the specific social conditions (which I assume it means political action) addressed in the passage? And how is political action a social condition? that seems very odd. I am not seeing the connection between the lines cited and the answer choice here as in how they are supported.

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Tuesday, Sep 08 2015

Good advice above, will take it. Now I have to read all those blind review pages to make sure I'm doing it right.

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Tuesday, Sep 08 2015

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How much more can I improve my score?

I started with a very low initial LSAT score 4 years ago (131). I studied it on and off for a few years but never took it seriously, it was just a side interest until about this year february. During those 4 years despite doing very little work I manage to raise my score to a low 150. Then I had a pretty good job but I now am taking a formal course in person in addition to 7sage. When I started my in person course in June I got a diagnostic and scored a 158 (pt 61), which was the same as my June Lsat Sore. Yesterday I wrote preptest 62 and got a 161, today I wrote pt 63 and got a 154, I found the LG and reading comp way harder on 63. That being said about 2 weeks ago I wrote pt 40 and got a 168. But to be fair, I had literally seen LR/argument on it except maybe 4/5 in the whole section. And I also seen every game in it and done it before plus the reading comps, some of them I kind of remembered too. I didn't really remember much of pt 62 or 63. As in I actually had to go through the process and would debate the answers like a real test.

I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I did score very highly in regular school graduating in the top 5% of my high school and my undergrad program which was a very competitive business program (think Ivy League). Most of my friends from high school and university are either bankers, doctors, lawyers, etc.

At this point I am wondering what I can do to improve my score more. I just found it very weird how it seems everyone else is so easily able to improve their score on the lsat going from 140s and 150s to high 160s, and I have to struggle studying much harder to get a far worse score.

Alot of the LR I get wrong comes from the fact that I don't understand the wording in the answer choice like when they are using double negations. Another set of it can come from when I don't understand the passage although, I am trying to fix that too by not going to the answer choice in practice until I understand the passage. When I do this untimed, I can pretty much get most of the questions, as in over 90% accuracy although some areas are less, just 75-80% maybe. And those wrong ones all have to do with tricky wording, or grammar tricks, or things that seem unclear as in could be argued either way, just depending on what the test writer wanted it to be.

I'm not sure if I should start trying to study logic or reading those weird non-fiction "Women's books" to try to understand the LSAT better. There is something strange that is throwing me off but it is hard for me to put the finger on it. I have a pretty good grasp of the methods to get the right answers.

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Sunday, Sep 06 2015

@

Handmade foundations are never used on wigs that do not use human hair"

ok, so not HF, then not HH or flipped as HH---->HF. The lesson/ method is of no help either because of my previous post, it would still give a wrong answer.

Your a/c looks like a reversal to me, so I need to understand why it would go that way, to me it looks like you are reversing the order they come in the sentence, which is why I am confused. That and the lesson suggest it should be something different.

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Sunday, Sep 06 2015

How come you changed the word ordering like that. And more importantly how did you know to do that? And even then, it is still inconsistent with the negatation lessons. http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/4-translation-groups-cheatsheet/

See #4.

I have a question on negation. On prep test 58 section 1 question 25. the line Handmade foundations are never found on wigs that do not use human hair. Is diagrammed as HF------>HH. Shouldn't it be ~HF ------> HH. It is group 4. So you pick an idea ~HH, you negate it ~HH --->HH AND MAKe it necessary. The other idea is the sufficient. So how do we end up with HF INSTEAD OF -HF?

Shouldn't it be

~HF ---> HH?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-1-question-25/

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Wednesday, Nov 04 2015

I'm unclear how negation of

Major Meteor Impacts – some-

becomes

Major Meteor Impacts

This is saying that the negation of some is all. I don't see the video you linked answering that. Some can include all. Ie. Some days it rains. What is the negation of this. All days it rains or not some days it rains. I believe it is the later, not some, and not some = it never rains. How can the negation of it rains some days be it rains all days? It is logically inconsistent.

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Tuesday, Nov 03 2015

Bump could someone answer?

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Tuesday, Sep 01 2015

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PT38.S4.Q14 - reducing speed limits

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-38-section-4-question-14/

The conclusion is that reducing speed limits neither saves

lives nor protects the environment. The evidence is that the more slowly a car moves the

more time it spends on the road spewing exhaust and running the risk of collision.

My question is why is A wrong. The author assumes people follow the limits. If they ignore the limits then guess what, it doesn't matter if they reduce them. But more importantly, how is it we are suppose to see that the author is trying to assume that the more slowly a car is driven, the more time it spends on the road spewing [more] exhaust into the air.

You see the part in brackets is what you have to ASSUME the author to be saying, otherwise the question makes no sense. You read it and think it is a perfect argument. I don't understand how we are suppose to infer this. Otherwise it just looks like he is saying, well yeah, you drive slower, you spend more time on the road spewing exhaust but there is actually no indicator that the author thinks the exhaust expelled from the vehicle will be larger or more just from driving slower. Is this some kind of grammar trick?

Had it said drive slower, spend more time on the road, and shoot out more exhaust, then D would be perfectly logical. But that last part isn't there, so how do we infer it?

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