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Wednesday, Aug 10 2022

Hi there. IMO, deciding to cancel depends largely on (1) your goal score relative to your average scores; (2) when you need/want to start law school; (3) your responsibilities outside of learning the LSAT.

Going from an average of 160 to 140 is a significant drop but not unheard of. You may be experiencing a bit of burn out. Make sure to give your mind and body rest from the LSAT.

Honestly, you can't learn much more from now until Friday (I assume that's the day of the exam). If you're going to take it Friday, I highly suggest you just take 1 PT on Wednesday, review it carefully, take Thursday off, and take the real thing Friday. However, rescheduling would depend on the factors above. You can PM me if you want to chat.

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jonguy569
Wednesday, Aug 10 2022

Hi everyone. Sorry that I haven't replied to any messages or comments since I began law school. It has been a very busy last 2 years.

I wanted to revisit this forum because I really appreciated the community here at 7sage. It is crazy to realize that I start 3L about 2 weeks. If anyone is interested to know how my "journey" has been since I finished the LSAT, please reach out some way and I would be happy to share my law school experience. Please provide any questions you may have. I want to continue to motivate and give back to this community because I would not be where I am today without 7Sage. Thanks for your time.

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jonguy569
Thursday, Jun 11 2020

Thanks for all the comments and kind words, really bringing tears to my eyes!

If anyone has questions please DM me so it's a little easier for us to communicate!

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Thursday, Jun 11 2020

@loscalzomaddie608 said:

This is really nice to hear! I'm currently stuck at a 150 and felt like I would never improve but your post gave me some motivation! So for the first half of your PT's did you take them untimed?

Hey, please message me and I can try to help you!

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I was sitting down at a hotel lobby getting ready to take my first LSAT ever. I remember reading huge words and arguments and thought to myself: "Ok, I will never be a lawyer, this is only the entrance exam and I can barely shake it, how am I ever going to be an attorney?

I got a 138, and only about 5 questions right on Logic games. After studying for about 3 months, (not very many hours per week) I finally took a official LSAT and got a 147. I needed a 155 to have a decent shot at the regional school I wanted to attend - I got denied.

Fast forward a year and I study for a few more weeks, thinking I only need a little bit of improvement to scrape together that 155. I was wrong, I took another official test but cancelled because I knew I wasn't going to get that 155. At this point I thought I was NEVER going to law school.

I came across J.Y., his amazing team, and this amazing group of people here on 7sage. I decided to quit my job and dedicate 6 full months to really learn the LSAT, like from the bottom up. I mastered games first through full-proofing and then LR, and then on to RC. My highest PT was 161 and that's what I actually got on game day.

With my new and improved 161 score, I was accepted into the school that previously denied me, and I was awarded $100,000 in scholarship to attend. 2 years ago when I applied with my 147, I would have been ECSTATIC to attend even if I had to pay full sticker price. I am a firm believer that when one door closes, another one opens, with the condition that you work hard and never give up!

These are my tips for anyone who thinks they can't learn the LSAT, and advice for anyone considering delaying a cycle for a stronger LSAT.

  • The LSAT is VERY learnable, trust me, I didn't know how to read properly and put in the time and work and learned it.
  • Practice with earlier PT's as MUCH as you can, please save more recent PT's for ACTUAL PT's. (My advice would be to save PT60+ for actual PTS)
  • There is a lot of value in redoing problems, ESPECIALLY games, I've done several games at least 20 times.
  • If you can afford it, it's worth it to take the time off to get a better LSAT instead of rushing into a cycle.
  • Could I have gotten a better score? I think so. I think my 138-161 took about 4 months of 30 hours a week, I'm a slow learner, some people could make that jump in 2 months. I believe that if I took another 2-3 months to practice, then I maybe could have broke 170.
  • Thanks for reading, I've been waiting months/years to make this post. Please reach out with any questions!

    TLDR: Went from 138 and thinking I was never going to be a lawyer to accepted with a 161 and having about 2/3 of my tuition paid.

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    jonguy569
    Monday, Jun 01 2020

    How complete or incomplete are each of these courses? Since you are still adding videos to certain sections, I'm wondering if the videos that are currently available (purchased version) are sufficient to help a 1L with their 1L year.

    Thanks 7sage!

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    Hi all,

    I'm stumbling across 7sage's law school instruction videos. (Crim, civ pro, property, etc.) and was wondering a few things.

  • How does one utilize these videos? are they meant to be watched before 1L? or as a supplement during 1L?
  • How come I cannot enroll in these videos?
  • When were these videos introduced? Has anyone gotten any good things to say about them?
  • Thanks for your time, all!

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    jonguy569
    Thursday, Jan 16 2020

    Bryce, if you can get a 3.5 gpa in undergrad, I'm pretty confident that you can score a 160-165 with about 4 months of full time studying. You have a good gpa, don't waste that, and definitely don't give up on law school because of a low LSAT. It's a 100% learnable exam.

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    I just took the Jan LSAT at USF (University of San Francisco), and the tables were TINY. It was very hard to do logic games because of the limited space. The tablet already took up half of the table!

    I don't think this negatively affected my score, however, it was really annoying and I wanted to give you all a tip so this can potentially avoided for you all. I do understand that sometimes the LSAC will assign you test centers that you didn't choose (this happened to me, I actually chose College of San Mateo which is a great testing center).

    TLDR: Avoid USF testing center, tables were super small.

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    jonguy569
    Tuesday, Jan 14 2020

    yo tf was that last game? was it EDIT I could not even deduce.

    oh well.

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    jonguy569
    Saturday, Nov 30 2019

    If you have time after a LG section and you're missing a few on silly errors, then I'd advise you to take that extra time and eliminate more A/Cs - especially on the questions that were tough for you. I did this, and I started going -1 to -0 more often!

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    jonguy569
    Saturday, Nov 30 2019

    @gaeliverson3670 thanks for your note, will do. wakanda forever.

    @jsolomon759602 the consensus seems to be reading for structure > reading for details. I think my issue is lack of practice and trying to learn everything the author is saying. Sometimes I forget to actively read (especially during timed constraints). I'll consider your advice, thanks so much for your note!

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    jonguy569
    Saturday, Nov 30 2019

    @21588 I don't, sorry bud, i didn't use any tutors. I do know that @danielbrowning20836 has awesome study sessions that she offers. I haven't joined any yet, but I hope to before my exam in 2 months.

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    jonguy569
    Tuesday, Nov 26 2019

    @jonguy569 I really like this, I'm going to try it during my practice and get back to you in PMs! thanks for your advice, brother.

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    jonguy569
    Tuesday, Nov 26 2019

    I think it's definitely possible. I would say 160-165 is possible even in just a month of you are 1) full time (20-30 hours of week of studying), and studying the right way. The bulk of those 4 months will likely be trying to escape the dreaded 165 into the 170s.

    Especially if you're getting a tutor, I think it's very possible. Having someone by your side and teaching you how to attack certain questions/sections is very valuable.

    Good luck and you got this :)

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    hey all!

    I am at an average of 160 on my PTs with the following breakdown:

    -0 Games

    -6 Per LR, sometimes less, sometimes more.

    -13 on RC

    If I improved my RC, it could totally push me into the 165 range. With only 7 weeks left until the Jan exam, I'm seeking advice on the best way to improve my RC score. Advice on LR is welcomed, too!

    Thanks all!

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    jonguy569
    Friday, Nov 22 2019

    I would only retake a 172 if you have mastered games. I'd run with the 172! Congrats, super impressive, and you'll do great!

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    jonguy569
    Thursday, Nov 21 2019

    Reach out whenever, I'm not a tutor but i've been on 7sage and had a lot of success from it. Happy to talk over discord or phone.

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    Please let me know your thoughts! I don't work for the LSAC, so I know that I'm not a professional. I thought writing a few questions would help my LR studies. If you have time, please let me know what you think, how hard it was, how easy it was, where I made a mistake, etc, thanks!

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    is one of the leading causes of death in Country X.

    Studies show that individuals who eat a diet high in

    trans-fats have a higher chance of being diagnosed with

    heart disease. Burritos, a popular Mexican entree commonly

    consumed by in Country X, contain high calories. Therefore,

    a person who consumes burritos regularly has a higher

    chance of being diagnosed with cardiovascular disease.

    The argument relies on assuming which one of the following?

    A) People of Country X generally know that burritos are unhealthy

    B ) If all people eat burritos less, they would invariably be healthier

    C) In country X, eating foods with high calories will raise one’s trans-fat

    consumption by at least some amount

    D) Eating any food with high calories will result in heart disease

    E) Generally, refraining from a high fat diet is better than a diet that

    includes a high amount of fat

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    jonguy569
    Sunday, Nov 17 2019

    I'm leaning towards delaying. I'd like to be at a 165 but I'm barely scraping 160, which means if I took the text next week I could get a 160, but I also could have a bad test and be in the 150's. For me, a late 160-165, is better than an on time 155. Especially if you're gonna retake anyway.

    Consider postponing and dont feel bad about it. $200 is a lot, but the extra points you could receive because you're better prepared could get you scholarship that would pay you back 10 times over.

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    jonguy569
    Sunday, Nov 17 2019

    I score from -1 to -4 depending if there's a MISC game or not.

    But to address your question, I think it's really important to check all the A/C'cs, if it wouldn't eat up more than 30 seconds or so. Some A/C's can be knocked out super quick, and in that case, I would check A/C's.

    The reason is because you don't want to give up a point just because you're lazy. Consider this:

    Speed on LG comes from knowing how to attack most games and doing it the most efficient way, so that you have the time to check each A/C. If you know how to do each type of game fast and the right way, you should have more than enough time to consider all the A/C's (on most questions)

    Learn how to master game boards, game types; learn how to attack each question type the RIGHT way, and you'll find that you will have the luxury to check the A/C for most question types.

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    jonguy569
    Sunday, Nov 17 2019

    Going from 155 untimed to 165 TIMED would be really hard. I don't think it's impossible, but it is unlikely. I'd argue that your untimed score would/should be in the 170s if you want a 165 timed score.

    With 2 months until the Jan exam, my guesstimation is that you could probably hit 160 timed, but even this would take some hard work. If you want to hit 165 timed, i'd suggest extending until March.

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    I have 1 official score from 2017 (should not have even bothered with the test)

    and I have 1 cancel from the Jan 2018 exam. I cancelled after feeling like I bombed the test. Does this second attempt count as a "take"

    I'm scheduled to take the exam in 2 weeks, which would be my third attempt, but only my second official score. I'm worried because I'm open to taking the January 2020 test in the event that I do not reach my goal score in November, and I don't want too many "attempts" to ruin my chances of getting into law school. Any thoughts?

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    jonguy569
    Friday, Nov 08 2019

    heads up, I am having issues making problem sets in LR. LG seems to be fine. (both Microsoft edge and Chrome)

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    jonguy569
    Thursday, Nov 07 2019

    This is unfortunate. Those free youtube explanations were exactly what lead me to being an Ultimate + member on this life-changing website. Shame shame shame. Thanks for letting us know JY.

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