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Hi everyone.
I have really bad news.
We are taking down all of our free Logic Game videos on YouTube on November 15.
Two months ago, LSAC's legal department requested that we remove the videos on copyright violation grounds. We immediately retained Quinn Emanuel, one of the best law firms in the country, and worked with two amazing lawyers (one of whom used to be a 7Sager) to try to work this out with LSAC. Despite our efforts, they remain firm. Our remaining option was to litigate but we don't have the resources to pursue that path.
On November 15 our LG videos will no longer be available to the public for free. They will still exist, but only to students enrolled in a full 7Sage course. This way, we can track usage and send licensing fees accordingly.
These videos have been free for nearly eight years. In that time period, we created an alternative to the paradigm of expensive, in-class test prep in the form of free and low cost, on-demand lessons. I'm sad to see these free videos—a mainstay of both our business and social mission—go. I've had many students tell me that they couldn't afford a course but fully utilized our LG videos, which made me very happy. I've also had many tutors tell me that they don't tutor LG anymore because there's no need to. It makes me feel good to know that we made an impact for some students.
I wanted to see in quantitative terms how much of an impact the LG videos made.
We ran the numbers and generated the chart below. This is data pulled from our analytics. We did our best to exclude retakes, older data, and other data that might inflate scores. Look at the blue and grey lines for LR and RC. They peak around minus 3 or 4, meaning more 7Sagers got around 3 to 4 wrong per section than any other number. Compared to the full population of LSAT takers, this curve is likely left-skewed simply because they're all 7Sagers, a group of students who take their studies seriously. Still, the distribution is relatively normal; you can make out the curve. Relatively few people get -0/-1 on those sections.
Now look at the orange line for LG. The peak of the curve sits at -0/-1. Take a second to think about this. This means more 7Sage students taking PTs got an LG score of -0 or -1 than any other score. That's not normal.
https://i.imgur.com/wbGCrjb.png
I'm curious about the actual exam data on the yearly LG curve over the past decade. My guess is that the curve moved left, meaning the average student has been significantly improving on LG. The actual LG curve might even look similar to ours, since everyone had access to our LG videos. If true, this could offer an explanation for LSAC's increasing preference for weird, miscellaneous games.
Anyway, back to the fact that we're having to remove all our LG videos from YouTube, which is really the point of this post: I'm sorry. If I don't sound more upset about it, it's only because I've had two months now to absorb the blow.
You probably have questions. I'll try to check back here today and tomorrow to answer the ones I can.
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J.Y., you are simply wonderful. I know how disappointing this is for both you and all of the students who will be affected. But the profoundly positive impact of these videos being free for so long will stick around. Everyone is so grateful for the time that we had with those free resources.
Im not understanding. There are other free sources. If you wanted to start charging, theres nothing wring with that. I downloaded this app which is basically just an ad for your LSAT prep course.
Im all about the free market, and charging for your services, but be upfront about it.
@czechoutnic844
This may not help your situation right now, but I wanted to let you know that we do have a "score guarantee" that says if you have an unsatisfactory score, to show us the report and we will extend your course until the next LSAT test administration date.
Of course, I hope you score high and don't have to take advantage of this! But, just letting you know in case something goes awry.
This is such a bummer. I added three more months to cover November and January's test because I need help on Logic games. Sure enough, November's test came back and I missed my mark big time. I didn't have time to finish the last TWO logic games, so they were all guesses, with only one lucky right answer. January is looking grim as well now. I'm a first generation law school hopeful, doing this whole application and lsat thing on my own... without enough money to go premium. My soul hurts! However, I am grateful for the community here and all the resources I do have access too. But bummer.
I thought I understood it as they would only be removed from youtube due to liscening issues stemming from the fact they were being made availabe for free. Considering they were in fact available for free, it seems the natural next step would be to only have them available for people who have purchased a 7sage course. It was stated, " They will still exist, but only to students enrolled in a full 7Sage course". I guess this could be interpreted as excluding starter courses due to the word "full", even though thats quite ambiguous. But then following the previous statement this explaination was given, "This way, we can track usage and send licensing fees accordingly". To me, if the point is to be able to track licensing it seems that the starter should be included as well. The videos went from totally free to not even being attainable with a $180 course. Did they raise the price of the licenses too? How does this work?
Hi JY and 7sage, I am very sad but at the same time motivated and inspired by what you guys have done so far. It really does make me work harder to be someday able to serve a similar cause. Thank you guys for being awesome.
@juliet7sage said:
Hi @kameelahp462, @marine4life6798246, and @emanning2942
Sorry for the trouble. We rolled out a fix and you should now be able to access the Logic Games video explanations for the PrepTests you have access to in your course.
Let us know if you're still having issues.
Awesome! Thank you much for the quick response!
@juliet7sage said:
@mrjustinzamora74 said:
Yes, came here to say this! Is there any way you could keep the target time?
Thanks!
@bigjoec894 said:
When the access is shut off, will we just lose the videos, or will we lose access to the entire explanation page (e.g. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-3-game-3/ ).
In particular, it would be cool if we could still at least see JY's recommended target time for each set.
Also, it would be super cool if someone would go through each video and transcribe JY's opening thoughts (e.g. "this is an easy one", "this is the hardest game in the set", etc.), and add that to the text of the page that we'll retain access to once the videos are locked down. But that's probably pretty labor intensive.
Hi there,
I confirm that we will keep the target time information available.
Let me know if you have any further questions!
HI, where can I find the target time? It seems that it has been taken down as well?
Hi @kameelahp462, @marine4life6798246, and @emanning2942
Sorry for the trouble. We rolled out a fix and you should now be able to access the Logic Games video explanations for the PrepTests you have access to in your course.
Let us know if you're still having issues.
Hi @kameelahp462, @marine4life6798246, and @emanning2942
I'm so sorry about this. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. You should still be able to access the Logic Games video explanations for the PrepTests included with your course.
I will look into this and let you know when the fix is out.
Is there any partial refund for users who bought the LSAT Starter package since this was to be included in the price?
@kameelahp462 said:
@juliet7sage said:
@sbeleuz573 said:
Is there a chance to upgrade to retain access to the LG explanations for a shorter amount of time for those taking the November test?
Hi there,
The only options for upgrading are to Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+. However, you will only pay the difference between the courses. For example, if you upgrade from Starter to Premium, you will pay $170.
Please note that with the Starter course, you will continue to have access to the Logic Games video explanations for the PrepTests included in your course (PrepTests June 2007 and 36-44). The explanation videos are available on the Explanation Videos tab (https://classic.7sage.com/lsat-explanations/). You will also continue to have access to the full Core Curriculum.
Let us know if you have any further questions!
Hello Juliet-
It keeps saying that I cannot access the logic game explanation videos for the prep tests that I have access to (since I have the starter package I should have access to the games video for prep test 41) unless I upgrade to premium or higher. On the discussion forum, you stated that folks who have the starter package would retain the explanation videos for the games of the practice test that are included. Can you please help me troubleshoot?
I have the same question. I thought these videos would still be included. Did I misunderstand this information?
This is the message I am now seeing...We regret to inform you due to forces beyond our control these LG explanation videos are no longer freely available. For more information, please see 7Sage Forum or Reddit.
The full set of LG explanation videos are only available to students with LSAT Premium or higher level courses.
You need LSAT Premium or higher course to see this video. Enroll now in less than a minute.
@juliet7sage said:
@sbeleuz573 said:
Is there a chance to upgrade to retain access to the LG explanations for a shorter amount of time for those taking the November test?
Hi there,
The only options for upgrading are to Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+. However, you will only pay the difference between the courses. For example, if you upgrade from Starter to Premium, you will pay $170.
Please note that with the Starter course, you will continue to have access to the Logic Games video explanations for the PrepTests included in your course (PrepTests June 2007 and 36-44). The explanation videos are available on the Explanation Videos tab (https://classic.7sage.com/lsat-explanations/). You will also continue to have access to the full Core Curriculum.
Let us know if you have any further questions!
Hello Juliet-
It keeps saying that I cannot access the logic game explanation videos for the prep tests that I have access to (since I have the starter package I should have access to the games video for prep test 41) unless I upgrade to premium or higher. On the discussion forum, you stated that folks who have the starter package would retain the explanation videos for the games of the practice test that are included. Can you please help me troubleshoot?
@sarashams10966 said:
@juliet7sage said:
@sundussheikh825516
omg i cried at this. truly really crappy news. if i signed up for the cheapest course package would i still be able to have access to LG vids? i can't afford much more than that and LG videos were already a life saver for me :(
We have decided that students enrolled in our Premium, Ultimate, and Ultimate+ courses will have access to all Logic Games video explanations (currently PT 1- 87).
If you have a fee waiver from LSAC, you can get Premium with $179 off (we offer either a free Starter course or $179 off of your purchase of Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+. Please note with the free Starter course you can't purchase extensions or PrepTests on this page: https://classic.7sage.com/addons/ But you can upgrade to Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+ later).
Hi there,
I have a question regarding the Starter course. The above information states that if you have a fee waiver from LSAC, then it gets you a free Starter course? Not sure how to purchase it using fee waiver,all it asks is credit card information when I try to buy it.
Hi there,
To claim a free Starter course, forward us (studentservice@tiena229.com) the email titled "Notice of Fee Waiver Decision" from lsac_notice@shanahancb494.org with a PDF. We will upgrade your account to Starter for free. With a free Starter account, you can't purchase extensions or PrepTests on this page: https://classic.7sage.com/addons/. But you can upgrade to Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+.
@juliet7sage said:
@sundussheikh825516
omg i cried at this. truly really crappy news. if i signed up for the cheapest course package would i still be able to have access to LG vids? i can't afford much more than that and LG videos were already a life saver for me :(
We have decided that students enrolled in our Premium, Ultimate, and Ultimate+ courses will have access to all Logic Games video explanations (currently PT 1- 87).
If you have a fee waiver from LSAC, you can get Premium with $179 off (we offer either a free Starter course or $179 off of your purchase of Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+. Please note with the free Starter course you can't purchase extensions or PrepTests on this page: https://classic.7sage.com/addons/ But you can upgrade to Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+ later).
Hi there,
I have a question regarding the Starter course. The above information states that if you have a fee waiver from LSAC, then it gets you a free Starter course? Not sure how to purchase it using fee waiver,all it asks is credit card information when I try to buy it.
@sbeleuz573 said:
Is there a chance to upgrade to retain access to the LG explanations for a shorter amount of time for those taking the November test?
Hi there,
The only options for upgrading are to Premium, Ultimate, or Ultimate+. However, you will only pay the difference between the courses. For example, if you upgrade from Starter to Premium, you will pay $170.
Please note that with the Starter course, you will continue to have access to the Logic Games video explanations for the PrepTests included in your course (PrepTests June 2007 and 36-44). The explanation videos are available on the Explanation Videos tab (https://classic.7sage.com/lsat-explanations/). You will also continue to have access to the full Core Curriculum.
Let us know if you have any further questions!
@tiena229 said:
there is a blind review going on for prep test 88; will all those explanations also disappear tomorrow for people with free accounts? please respond; this is very important to me!
Hi there,
No, the BR recordings for PT 88 will continue to be available for a period of one month.
Let us know if you have any further questions.
Is there a chance to upgrade to retain access to the LG explanations for a shorter amount of time for those taking the November test?
there is a blind review going on for prep test 88; will all those explanations also disappear tomorrow for people with free accounts? please respond; this is very important to me!
@mrjustinzamora74 said:
Yes, came here to say this! Is there any way you could keep the target time?
Thanks!
@bigjoec894 said:
When the access is shut off, will we just lose the videos, or will we lose access to the entire explanation page (e.g. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-3-game-3/ ).
In particular, it would be cool if we could still at least see JY's recommended target time for each set.
Also, it would be super cool if someone would go through each video and transcribe JY's opening thoughts (e.g. "this is an easy one", "this is the hardest game in the set", etc.), and add that to the text of the page that we'll retain access to once the videos are locked down. But that's probably pretty labor intensive.
Hi there,
I confirm that we will keep the target time information available.
Let me know if you have any further questions!
@bigjoec894 said:
When the access is shut off, will we just lose the videos, or will we lose access to the entire explanation page (e.g. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-3-game-3/ ).
In particular, it would be cool if we could still at least see JY's recommended target time for each set.
Also, it would be super cool if someone would go through each video and transcribe JY's opening thoughts (e.g. "this is an easy one", "this is the hardest game in the set", etc.), and add that to the text of the page that we'll retain access to once the videos are locked down. But that's probably pretty labor intensive.
Hi there,
Thank you for the suggestion. I confirm that we will keep the target time information available.
Yes, came here to say this! Is there any way you could keep the target time?
Thanks!
@bigjoec894 said:
When the access is shut off, will we just lose the videos, or will we lose access to the entire explanation page (e.g. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-3-game-3/ ).
In particular, it would be cool if we could still at least see JY's recommended target time for each set.
Also, it would be super cool if someone would go through each video and transcribe JY's opening thoughts (e.g. "this is an easy one", "this is the hardest game in the set", etc.), and add that to the text of the page that we'll retain access to once the videos are locked down. But that's probably pretty labor intensive.
When the access is shut off, will we just lose the videos, or will we lose access to the entire explanation page (e.g. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-58-section-3-game-3/ ).
In particular, it would be cool if we could still at least see JY's recommended target time for each set.
Also, it would be super cool if someone would go through each video and transcribe JY's opening thoughts (e.g. "this is an easy one", "this is the hardest game in the set", etc.), and add that to the text of the page that we'll retain access to once the videos are locked down. But that's probably pretty labor intensive.
I’m so grateful to have had these videos. I have struggled for SOOO long to grasp and thoroughly understand the LG’s these videos helped me raise my score and gain confidence to tackle the games, I used to hate doing games, and now I would rather do games than LR. I seriously cried when I found out that they were being taken down. I can’t afford to pay for another LSAT prep course, these videos have saved me. I’m BEYOND sad and upset. LSAC is freaking greedy, and I wish all aspiring law students weren’t beholden to their greed and their monopoly on our career aspirations.
This is unfortunate. Those free youtube explanations were exactly what lead me to being an Ultimate + member on this life-changing website. Shame shame shame. Thanks for letting us know JY.