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Saturday, Jun 30 2018

@ said:

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I don't think I saw anybody mention http://www.top-law-schools.com/

some interesting stuff to look at there

I would pay more attention to old posts on that site. They had some sort of corporate takeover and most of the best users went over to law school life at the start of this year. A lot of them deleted their posts leaving incomplete posts after they started getting censored and edited.

There is definitely irreplaceable good advice in the older TLS forums though.

If you want people to try to talk you out of being a lawyer(which happened frequently on TLS) you could always ask for advice on the forums at JD Underground.

Thanks for the heads up! I actually just checked that site out myself for the first time the other day, so that's good know before I got too deep into it.

The users of the site have transitioned to www.lawschool.life. There is much less info, as they've only been there for a few months, but still a good resource non-the-less

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kimberleemcmillin935
Saturday, Jun 30 2018

Depends on how well he can speak to your abilities. Don't go for the title, go for the content. Depending on how long you've been out of school, some schools will require you to have a professional letter. The way you've done it--two academic and one professional--is typically recomended

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kimberleemcmillin935
Saturday, Jun 30 2018

@ said:

@ This cycle!

!! Awesome! Very exciting--thanks for always being so innovative here at 7sage :)

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Friday, Dec 29 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

When did you ask about LORs?

Took a class this past semester and I really clicked with the prof. I'm hesitant to email her until next semester begins because I know some professors keep (and deserve to keep) strict, operating-hours only timelines for checking their emails. I don't want to clutter her email and then her lose it in the depth of her inbox.

I'm also hesitant to ask at the very beginning of the semester because it can be so hectic. So is there any particular time that worked best for y'all?

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kimberleemcmillin935
Friday, Jun 29 2018

Also Duke! I believe it's explicitly stated as an option essay (where other schools, UVA for example, don't even mention them even though they are strongly favored)

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kimberleemcmillin935
Friday, Jun 29 2018

Also--once you know where your numbers place you (e.g. T6, T14, T1, T2 etc), reach out to alumni of your undergrad!! This has been soooo helpful. My career center recommended it. Every single person I've messaged has gotten back to me. LinkedIn has an alumni tool, which allows you to search for employers, businesses, schools, etc amongst other alumni from your undergrad. I just search the law school I'm interested in and cold message those I can find who have that law school listed. It's also great ammo for a Why X or LOCI ;)

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kimberleemcmillin935
Friday, Jun 29 2018

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@ We are building a predictive tool! It's more or less a modern version of MyLSN. I'll announce it to everyone when it's ready!

When are y'all planning to announce ?This cycle?

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kimberleemcmillin935
Thursday, Jun 28 2018

I felt that the lesson on Why X is the most helpful. Everyone says to write them, but few places go into detail!

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kimberleemcmillin935
Wednesday, Jun 27 2018

Can I refer to schools as their abbreviation (e.g. UVA Law) or should I always use the full name when writing a Why X?

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kimberleemcmillin935
Wednesday, Jun 27 2018

What constitutes real "work experience"? e.g. working part time in undergrad? Full time in undergrad? Or only full time once graduated?

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Wednesday, Oct 25 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

An Update on Foolproofing

Hi all, during some of July and most of August, I foolprooed 1-35. And then I started to go back through the games immediately after I was done to make sure I could do a full section under timed conditions (I FPed by doing six new games a day, timing each individually and separately). However, I found that I was going -2 or even -3 per section.

So I stopped. I only looked at games during a PT.

And y'know what? I've gone either -1 or -0 on every single PT I've taken since (six, so far). FPing is time intensive. I was doing 6 new games two times and then doing the 6 games from the previous day a third time AND 6 games from a week earlier. All in one day, starting at 5am and fitting it in between working 7:45am-5pm. This is all to say that FPing takes a shit ton of work. It is exhausting. But your brain is taking it all in, somehow. So if your plateauing---or even backsliding---take a break. Don't look at a game for two weeks. And then get back on the horse and you'll really see how much you've improved. Of course this is all anecdotal but I just realized today how much that break probably improved my morale.

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Sunday, Dec 24 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

Here was my study schedule for my 20 point increase :)

I've gotten a few questions, so I figured I'd make a second post because I know I really benefitted from reading other people's study method. I went from a diagnostic of 153 to a score of 173 in Dec (-3 RC, -2 LR, -2 LR, -2LG). I do want to point out that I got very, very lucky on test day. I had never scored above a 171 in practice, but was BRing at 179-180 consistently for the month before the exam. Sometimes you luck out with a test that plays to your strengths, and mine just happened to actually count!

I went through the core curriculum for about two months and then Fool Proofed LG. If you don't know what that is, check out this post: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2737/logic-games-attack-strategy/p1

Once I had fool proofed (took over a month), I started drilling and PTing. My schedule was:

Monday: 1 LR and LG section

Tuesday: 1 LR and RC section

Wednesday: 1 full PT/blind review

Thursday: 1 LR and RC section

Friday: 1 LR and LG section

Saturday: 1 full PT/blind review

I used all of PTs 40-52 for these section drills. I started out doing each section untimed, underlining the keywords in LR with a highlighter and writing a line # for where I had pinpointed the answer for RC. I would take 15+ minutes on each RC passage at first, and 45+ on LR. I figured it was better to get the basics and concepts down to a science before I moved on to timed. Eventually, I started timing my sections. Probably around October. Honestly, I wasn't learning anything from LG at this point, just keeping my mind sharp.

In November, I realized I needed to really focus on Flaw/NA questions. So instead of doing full LR sections (plus I was running out), I started using the 7sage question bank to drill. I'd do some timed, some untimed depending on how "hard" the question set was. Also in Nov, I started writing "explanations" for the questions I got wrong in my drills. I'd save these in a word doc but didn't really look at them again. But I learn by teaching, so I'd write out an explanation as to why a choice was correct and why all four others were wrong and then post it on the video explanation here on 7sage. I think this is when I consistently started scoring 169-170.

I found that I was able to go from -7ish a section on RC down to -2ish. I mostly did this through allowing myself to find the answer in the text. It's there. I would read the passage and make sure I understood it (started out by writing a summary for each paragraph, but found that to be too time consuming on timed sections). And then just go through the questions and make sure I could draw each answer to the text. For the untimed, I would write the paragraph line.

For PTs, I was worried I would need to retake so I was nervous about tearing through them all. So I started with PT 55 and did every three. So 55... 58... 61... 64, etc. Until I got to the 70s and started over. I jumped around a little bit to make sure I did 79 (the dreaded virus game) and 81 right before the Dec. test. All in all I did ~15 PTs.

**Edit: I also totally forgot that I worked through the Bibles in October lmao. I'd do a chapter of LR, LG, or RC a day. LR was helpful because at this point, I had gone through the CC in June so it was a good refresher. LG was a waste; I had already FP'd so I had already seen most of the games they used. RC was mostly useless too. However, I found it was good to focus just on RC but I didn't highlight/underline like they suggest. Overall, I used the Bibles for refreshers and test-taking strategies. Did LG or RC help? Eh. But the LR was good because it explained question types in a bit of a different way, so between the Bible and 7sage, I had a deep understanding of them.

I did all of this as a full time student taking 16 credit hours and working 10hrs at my part time job. Luckily, I had planned my course load and work schedule around the LSAT so I didn't start classes until 2pm on Monday/Wednesday and 11am on Tuesday/Thursday. This meant I was on campus at 8am every day, either to drill or take a PT. No tutors or any of that, but I relied on the 7sage forum and r/lsat to keep my mind in the "lsat" mode even when not feeling motivated.

I do believe that most people can raise their score with a good schedule that they stick to. How much, I can't say. But my schedule was very much let's-see-what-works and I just kinda went with it. I think you have to find what works for you; I drew from a lot of other people's tips and tricks. I hope this helps someone out there. Again, I got incredibly lucky on the exam (which is why I'm not retaking lmao) but maybe hopefully you wont have to rely on luck on your take!

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Saturday, Dec 23 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

20 point increase. Thank you 7sage

My diagnostic was 153. After ~6 months of on and off study, I scored a 173 in Dec! In fact, this was 2 points higher than my best PT! And I had only scored 171 once before the test. My average was 167ish. I'm so grateful for the 7sage community throughout this journey.

I had read posts about "positive thinking" and meditation, so I figured I'd give it a try. 173 was the score I chose to picture; before each PT I pictured me opening my email and seeing 173. And despite no evidence that it would, it worked!

My test day was honestly the worst I could have imagined. I got to the test center ~20 minutes early, but it was game day at my university so there was no parking. I ended up street parking about a football field away after calling my boyfriend and exploding on him; sobbing, convincing myself I wasn't gonna take, the whole nine yards. And then once I made it halfway to the center, I realized I forgot my admissions ticket in the car. So I RAN back to my car and then RAN to the test center. It was 8:24 when I got back to my car. I truly thought this was a sign that I wasn't meant to take it. I was the last person to check in; I ran to the bathroom before getting to the room. It was hell honestly.

I luckily managed to just separate myself from that, but during the entire directions I was breathing heavy lmao.

It ended up working out for me, but honestly I was hoping for 165 after the test. All this to say, just because a day goes bad does not mean you should cancel. I think I'm done testing with my 173. Thank you 7sage. For keeping me calm and for just being a great community.

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Sunday, May 21 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

Already seeing improvements - thanks 7sage!

Took a very niave PT back in Dec. Scored a 153. Then decided to start 7sage two weeks ago (studying for Dec. 2017). Took June 2007 and scored an actual score of 160. Blind Review-ed even higher! I'm sure this is a fluke because I can't believe I saw this big of an improvement after just two weeks of the CC! Thanks - y'all are inspirational! What's your largest jump?

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kimberleemcmillin935
Tuesday, Jun 19 2018

Focus on other law school things helped me. I was a year out from applying, but I wrote a draft of my PS. I contacted a professor to write an LoR. I started looking at what schools I should target. I channeled all of my nervous energy somewhere else that also felt productive.

Buttttt I also lost all motivation for school work after my test (Dec.) lmao. Which I was fine with, because I had been pushing myself way too hard. Maybe finding a nice long series on Netflix would do ya good--something people have been watching but you haven't been able to get to. I recommend Jane the Virgin, Breaking Bad, or Supernatural. All three very different shows, but all very binge-worthy :)

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Saturday, Nov 18 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

Dress for Success

Something I've noticed about my PTs: I perform better when I'm feeling better. Not like.... physically (although that helps) but mentally. I mean when I wake up and put my contacts in, get dressed, and brush my teeth just to sit in my room to take a PT. Hell, even putting on shoes helps.

We talk a lot about mindset in these forums, but other things contribute to mindset besides meditation and repetition. Not only does waking up and "getting ready" help your outlook, it gets you prepped for test day. If you only ever take PTs in boxers, you're not replicating test day conditions!

This is all to say, keep in mind other things that might give you a little confidence boost. Two weeks out (exactly)--we can do this!

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Sunday, Jun 17 2018

kimberleemcmillin935

Yale 250 Revision?

Hi all, I'm back on the forums haha. In my last post, I was contemplating whether or not to retake. As it stands, I'm deciding to apply with my 173 and if I don't get into the schools I want, I'll sit out a cycle, retake, and reapply (I'm also K-JD, so sitting out would benefit me no matter what).

I'm hoping someone who has completed their cycle would be willing to look over the beginnings of my 250. I know it's early in the game, but this damn thing is such an enigma lol I'd love some feedback.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Sunday, Jun 17 2018

I want to point out that if you start your one watch when the proctor says "Now" and stop it as soon as they say "stop," then you should be in sync with them, with maybe plus a second or two. I do not think it's worth the risk.

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Tuesday, Jan 16 2018

kimberleemcmillin935

An Argument for Walking

Today a friend mentioned that headache you get after staring at a computer screen for a long time. Y'know, the one behind the eyes that makes you feel nauseous? This got me thinking about last semester, where I was taking five classes (all required extensive computer use), had a part time job (again, using computers), and working on 7sage (an online course). I would notice after long day of working on the computer, I was groggy and couldn't quite piece things together like normal.

My classes are about a fifteen minute walk from my apartment and I made it a priority to not look at or use technology while walking to class. No answering texts/emails. No listening to podcasts. Nothing. Just me, my thoughts, and my walk. And I think it truly helped.

Einstein would go for daily walks, no matter what. Getting moving not only helps, but so does having an "empty" mind. If you can, I recommend getting a walk in at least once a day. I noticed things on my campus that I've been walking past for three years now. Did walking alone allow me to score 20 points higher on my Dec. test? Nah. But I do think clearing my mind helped my studying. Now that I drive everywhere, I miss the freedom of letting my mind wonder on walks. If you notice yourself stagnating, try to get outside and move a little. Who knows, it may help.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Friday, Jul 13 2018

Well this might dox me lol (I wish the default wasn't to use the gravatar photo and instead let us pick), but I'm also a senior at FSU and took the test last Dec. Here's my study schedule: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/14336/here-was-my-study-schedule-for-my-20-point-increase

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Sunday, Nov 12 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

Timed: 167-170; BR: 179-180. Help with study plan?

Typically I go -2 to -0 on LG, -4-5 on LR, and -2-5 on each LR. Right now my schedule looks like this:

Sunday: 1 LR & LG timed section; BR

Monday: 1 LR& RC timed section; BR

Tuesday: 1 LR & LG timed section; BR

Wednesday: Full PT; BR

Thursday: 1 LR & RC timed section; BR

Friday: 1 LR & LG timed section; BR

Saturday: Full PT; BR

I'm also a full time student with a part time job, so I probably miss one day a week, but I kinda see that as a mental day off tbh. For those of you who have made the 170 jump, do you remember when it clicked? If you had been doing anything specific?

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Monday, Jun 12 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

How many full PTs did you take?

Cross posted with r/lsat

While prepping, how many full timed PTs did you take? I have access to 1-80+ (but am using 1-35 for drilling/fool proofing). I'm very overwhelmed by the prospect of doing 45+ PTs. That feels like... a lot. So how many did you do - do you feel you didn't do enough? Too much? Just right? If you have Ultimate+, did you utilize all of the PTs?

As of now I'm looking at doing 2-3 a week with blind review, starting in July. That would allow me to get through every single PT 36+. But damn that feels like a lot and wouldn't give me any more material if I decide to retake after Dec.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Monday, Jul 09 2018

@ ah gotcha! Sorry, I'm American so that's where my mind went.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Monday, Jul 09 2018

I would strongly advise against using a high school teacher. K-JDs are already looked at as immature (I say that as one myself); getting a rec from a high school teacher only adds fuel to the fire. Have you held any leadership positions? Any internships? Any volunteer work where there was a faculty advisor? Also if you don't mind me asking, what school is asking for only one academic letter? I can't think of any schools where one must be professional.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Monday, Jul 09 2018

As far as which PTs to take, I also PT'd for about three months, and did every third from 55 on, twice a week with blind reviews and timed sections (using 40-50) in between. So 55, 58, 61, etc. Eventually when I got into the 70s I was sure to hit some of the standouts, such as PT 79 for the virus LG and then the most recent test as my last one. This made it so there was a method to my madness but also left a ton of relevant material for a retake.

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Friday, Mar 09 2018

kimberleemcmillin935

Long time no see--any advice on retaking?

Hi 7sage! After the Dec test, I had to take a mental break. Now that Feb scores came out, I'm looking at all the threads and wondering if I could get a higher score.

Context: I'm a second semester junior right now, planning on applying in Fall 2018. I have not looked at the LSAT since Dec. 2 lmao. I also scored a 173, when my highest PT had been 171. With my GPA, I'm looking at T3. I know that retaking the exam doesn't matter, except to Yale. And I'm pretty sure a 173 on the first try looks good to adcoms. My concern is that if I were to score lower than 173, Yale would nope-out. So my question: is it worth the risk?

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kimberleemcmillin935
Sunday, Jul 08 2018

I don’t think anyone is scoffing at the idea of taking time off, but rather at OP’s seeming inability to understand why everyone doesn’t take the time off. As I’ve said, if you have savings or parents to pay for your time off, that is absolutely fantastic!! But that can’t be a consideration for everyone, which is why I’m confused about the purpose of the thread. I just don’t even know what it’s accomplishing.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Saturday, Jul 07 2018

I'm just not even sure what point you're trying to get across? Like, are you asking if you should take time off? You keep giving hypotheticals about ROI etc etc. But like... why? You said you want comment/feedback--are you trying to convince someone to stay home and study? The more I read the post the more confused I am lmao.

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Monday, Nov 06 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

PT49--Mistake?

Hi all, it's not a serious mistake but I noticed in S4 (the 2nd LR) that the first page says "22 questions" when really it's out of 25. Not sure if that's LSAC or 7Sage's doing, and it doesn't really affect anything. I just wanted to point it out; I know I was confused when I saw it

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kimberleemcmillin935
Friday, Jul 06 2018

The more I read your post, the more offensive it becomes lmao. So, some points:

If you're working 60 hours a week, you probably need the money.You think someone working that much is just doing it for shits and giggles?

I understand what you're saying about the 175 vs 150 but I'm not sure what point you're making? Are you insinuating that the K-JD didn't work while studying (as if going to class isn't work enough)? I personally worked 15 hours a week while taking a 15 credit hour course load and managed a 173.

"why don't more people devote themselves to it" I'm confused. This whole forum is dedicated to those who devote themselves to LSAT study.

"We all know how much work the LSAT takes. Many ppl do upwards of 60 PT's before they take the real test." You're assuming people doing those 60 PTs aren't working full time. The two are not mutually exclusive.

"Why do people settle for less and allow a 50-hour a week paralegal job (for example) prevent them from reaching their goals?" Again, I'm not sure why you think 1) people are choosing to forego full time study in exchange for working 50 hrs/week. Most people have no choice. and 2) why you think the same people working 50 hrs/week can't reach their goals.

I think you're vastly vastly overestimating the number of people who can take off an extended period of time with no income. For most people it's not a simple choice between working for 30k/year and studying for the LSAT. You think if someone didn't need to work for peanuts, they would? Of course not---it's a necessity for the vast, vast majority of applicants. If you have saved, or have mom and dad, or a partner willing to finance your LSAT study, that's awesome! But I'd say that places you in the wealthiest 1-5% of test takers. Remember, 7Sage is so popular not only because it's an amazing course (it is!) but also because it's relatively cheap. Many people can't afford even the $800 course, never mind giving up their income for 6 months.

I can't imagine thinking "why don't people just give up their income to study for a test! It's so easy!" lmao

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kimberleemcmillin935
Thursday, Jul 05 2018

I don't have any advice towards the Ws, but are you absolutely sure you want to go to law school? It is not something you want to do for a semester and then withdraw from. It seems like you have a good head on your shoulders and have figured things out, but your past also tells me this "ah-ha" moment may have come a few times already. I recommend getting a few internships at a firm. I know you're a non-traditional student and a little older, so maybe you could even get paid work.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Wednesday, Jul 04 2018

Have you looked at mylsn.info? That will answer most of your questions

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Wednesday, Oct 04 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

Jumped from 161 to 170!

Just wanted to give some hope for other people. Today I took my first timed PT in about a month (I've already FP LG and am now drilling LR). A month ago I got a 161; today - 170! It was PT59, which as far as I know may be the easiest PT ever and my score may drop back down to 160 next week.

Fool proofing works. I got a -1 on LG (granted, there were no odd ones). I'm now going to drill LR even harder. Somehow I have to get my RC up, so if you have any advice please share! I'm shooting for a 170+ in December, and with two months to go it's looking like I might actually have a decent shot.

Date Taken: Dec. 2nd, 2017

Proctors: Really great. Timing was perfect. I had a watch that I started as soon as the proctor started and they were correct on timing down to the second. It's mostly law students (we had four in our room) with an administrator over-seeing all four rooms.

Facilities: FSU College of Law.

What kind of room: Large, lecture-style classroom. They had four rooms, broken down by last name. Very well organized and easy to find.

How many in the room: 50ish

Desks: Those long, connected desks. Plenty of room. I was spread out and never ran into the girl beside me. They put one seat between each test.

Left-handed accommodation: Maybe? I'm a lefty and was placed in the last seat on the left hand side (so no risk of me hitting another student) but that might have just been a coincidence. It really wasn't needed.

Noise levels: Very quiet. I was a little concerned about the break, but it seems like all the rooms got out at right at the same time.

Parking: Horrible. It was game day. The civic center and a parking garage were open--for $10, but I didn't have my wallet. They didn't reserve any parking for test takers. So I had to park on street parking a good two/three blocks away and run. Get there with PLENTY of time. Parking was the most stressful part of the test for me; I was the last one in the room because it took so long to find parking

Time elapsed from arrival to test: Checked in was closed at 8:30 (I think that I checked in at 8:29 haha). With instructions and everything I think we started around 9:15. Very quick.

Irregularities or mishaps: 0. They knew what they were doing and were very professional.

Other comments: There was a clock at the front of the room, but it happened to not be visible from where I sat. There was also one at the back. They didn't "reset" the clocks, so be prepared to bring your own watch if you need to check the time remaining. Temperature was fine, no issues there. The lines for the bathroom (specifically girls) was horrendous because they started out by making the ~125 girls use only the three-stall bathroom on the lower level. And all the rooms took break at the same time. The head proctor did decide it was okay for us girls to go upstairs to the 2nd floor bathroom, which alleviated the line a little bit. I'm just glad I was one of the first up there otherwise I wouldn't have been able to eat my snack.

Would you take the test here again? Yup! Great testing environment. Next time I would get there quite a bit earlier however due to parking.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Tuesday, Jul 03 2018

Have you poked around the LSAC website? It lays it out pretty clearly

https://www.lsac.org/jd/applying-to-law-school/cas/requesting-transcripts/?view=1

Is there anything in particular you're confused about? Also, I'm not sure why now would be too early? There's no downsides to submitting the transcripts now. I really recommend looking around the website, as it will most likely answer your questions.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Tuesday, Jul 03 2018

It won't be released until August

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kimberleemcmillin935
Monday, Jul 02 2018

Not to be a buzz kill, but people can get in trouble with LSAC if they share a test that hasn't been disclosed. Advance at your own risk, but it'll be released by August I believe.

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kimberleemcmillin935
Monday, Jul 02 2018

Have you read Pacifico's post about Fool Proofing? It goes into detail. Please, do not do 10 times in a row lol. That's good for burnout and that's about it. Anyone can memorize a game after doing it 5+ times. The trick is to be able to learn how to make the inferences even after you've forgotten them.

If you haven't: https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/2737/logic-games-attack-strategy/p1

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Friday, Jun 02 2017

kimberleemcmillin935

Fool Proofing Logic Games - before or during PTs?

I'm 50% done with the CC. I've been seeing a lot about fool proofing and can definitely see the benefits. Should I completely fool proof before starting all of the PTs, or during? I'm planning to take in Dec and rn am poised to be done with the CC by mid-July

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kimberleemcmillin935
Sunday, Jul 01 2018

Something I realized while prepping is that every single answer is in the passage. No, seriously. So when I would drilled RC passages, I started out by not timing myself. I would read the passage once and write the summaries for each paragraph. Then when answering the questions, I would write the line number that supported the correct answer, taking as long as needed to find the right answer. This really helped me.

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