I know it's been said many times before but it's really hard when it happens to you several weeks before your test.

Based on score data from PT 70 to 81, PT 72 and 75 were 4-5 points lower than my average. Took 74 on saturday and 75 the following wednesday; I dropped 7 points. Shit. I know you're supposed to look at average score and consider those two to be outliers but with about 6 PTs left before my second test in June, I'm really stressed. Any coping mechanisms? I'd be reasonably happy if I got a score that I got on PT 74. If I perform how I did on 75 on test day, I'd be devastated. There were only 4 days in between PT 74 and PT 75 but going down that much of a score is so frustrating. (Granted, I missed 1 on 74's LG but I bombed the last game on 75. But mainly I got toasted all over LR sections in 75)

Do I just need a small break? I really dislike myself for being vulnerable to PT scores.

I'm keeping my eyes on Southwestern Law since I've read several good reviews about it.

To those of you who have sat the test in LA before: any other thoughts on spacious and pleasant test centers nearby?

Hello,

So I'm just looking at my very rough draft for PS and I'm quoting someone I've worked with in the past and I'm opening my PS with a very brief conversation with him. And as a direct way to quote that person to help illustrate my principle in life/work ethic, I threw in the word "half-ass." Once again, I didn't say it. S/he did. Will this make admissions officers cringe? Since I'm going to directly quote him, it would sound super awkward if I rephrased it like "halfheartedly" because that's not how colleagues at work speak to each other in an informal setting. Well at least I know that's not exactly how the conversation went.

What do you think? I mean it's not an F bomb but I don't know what to do with this. Should I not risk it? #supercautious

Hello,

I came across a weakening question(in the PT 60s)where the LSAT writers are messing with the difference between financial rewards and salary. Now, I just wanna make sure that I'm not imaging myself but I totally had a deja vu moment after getting it wrong earlier today because I swear there was almost an identical question on the very same concept somewhere in the PT 50s.... Have I gone crazy or can anyone vouch for me here haha. Has this been tested multiple times throughout the LSAT history?

Many thanks! :)

Hi All,

If my LSAT is 1-2 points below School X's median but my GPA is above its 75th, and considering my apps are in by December at the latest, would you say I stand a reasonably good chance of getting into the school? I most certainly know having both numbers above median is desirable in this hypothetical situation but I haven't read much about applicants having LSAT scores VERY close to but below median.

What are your thoughts/experiences?

premise: Group A took medicine X.

premise: Group B did not take medicine X.

BUT identical results were found in both groups.

conclusion: Hence, X is ineffective.

I'm trying to approach this in a formulaic way but I always find myself being led by answer choices. What do you think is the most LSAT way to strengthen(assumption)/weaken the argument above?

These were not included in the syllabus so I had to purchase them on my own quite recently. When did this happen? I'm so glad. Thank you 7sage admin team :) I now can foolproof more PTs far more conveniently.

Hey y'all! I wish nothing but the best to those taking the LSAT in September.

I just have a quick question for you guys. So I studied for the LSAT sporadically throughout the second half of my college career.

I quit studying for the test at the end of 2013 as I had to enlist in the military. I haven't studied for it since then. I drilled dozens of RC from time to time but I haven't been able to study consistently. Now that I have time and have become an Ultimate+ member recently, I'm hoping to take the test next year. So I just took the first LR from June 2011 administration UNTIMED and I got a 23/25 and I did not guess any of the questions. I reasoned myself and eliminated every wrong answer choice with conviction. Granted I took it untimed(And I'm going to do this for a while because accuracy and certainty>>>>>>>>>timing right now) but I personally think this is encouraging because the last time I finished PT-ing 3 years ago I was scoring in the range of 158-161 on PT 50s all the way to 69/70. LR June 2011 is still relatively a modern test and so I'm wondering if I'm in good shape to just continue drilling LR sections from modern tests instead of having to go through Manhattan LSAT or perusing LSAT Trainer for LR. Do you think this was just a fluke? I am curious of your thoughts on this! I don't have issues with any particular question types. If the stimulus or the question itself is difficult, I get it wrong. Simple as that. Most of the questions I miss/struggle with have difficulty levels of 4 and 5 on this website. I look forward to reading your comments! But 23/25 untimed LR for a guy who was in the high 150s 3 years ago is actually giving me consolation and strength that with a lot more practice I will be able to write the test next summer/fall.

Your fellow LSATer,

DK

Hello,

I just have a quick question and would appreciate anyone's comments on this. I somehow managed to go from -15 on RC sections consistently for a while to -11 and -9. I went -15 on PT 63,65,79,81,83 and went -11 and -9 on PT 76 and 78. Do you guys think PT 76 and 78 had an unusually easy set of passages??(If that's the consensus, that wouldn't be uplifting...) I mean yes PT 76 had an unusually easy set of logic games, no doubt about it... but since LG isn't as relative as RC, I would like to know whether my RC has improved or that those two RC sections were a breeze to most...

p.s_ I did notice that one passage in PT 78(that clay *hit) was very similar to the beads nonsense passage from PT 76 under timed condition.

Hi,

I have one official LSAT score on my account but I'm not applying this cycle as I'm preparing for a retake next year. But a few law schools have been sending me e-mails when I didn't even apply to any of them. All of the e-mails have used one of the following sentences to begin with:

a) Based on your LSAT/academic record, you'll LIKELY receive a scholarship...

b) Based on your LSAT/academic record, IF you are admitted, you'll be eligible for a guaranteed scholarship...

c) An applicant with your academic profile can POTENTIALLY receive a scholarship up to ...

Hypothetically, if I apply, am I more or less guaranteed scholarships? I don't know if this is their way to lure people into applying for whatever reasons(and end up not giving me any money or even admit me) or that it's safe to be convinced that I'll be offered some money at those schools. At most of these schools, my LSAT is above their median but there are some exceptions. For instance, at one of the schools that have sent me such e-mails, my LSAT is right at their 25th. (But my GPA is above their 75th)

What do y'all think?

This has always happened from time to time on my account at least but seems like it's been happening even more frequently these past 2 weeks. Is there anything I can do about this or is this a server-related glitch?

Hi y'all,

I remain invisible(I'm just silently drilling LG's in my room) but I'm always so pleased to be a part of such a supportive community called 7sage!

Quick question here: I cannot find PT A, B, C and Feb '97 as part of the syllabus portion of the curriculum where I have been printing out every single PT released from the past. Is there a specific reason as to why these PT's are not offered?

Thanks for your help and happy studying ! :)

I'm having a hard time understanding why answer choice D) in Question 13 is wrong even though I have watched the video multiple times already. I was left with C) and D) timed.

Initially I thought "large geographical areas" in D) was fine b/c of line 18 to 20. But is it wrong because centers of style are dispersed OVER large areas as opposed to being large areas themselves?

Also the passage says the characteristics patterns are subtly different that few people outside of the area can distinguish Nuna masks from Ko masks around line 45. But D) says they are VERY DIFFICULT for outside observers to distinguish. Just because few can distinguish, doesn't mean it is VERY difficult for others. Had it said "not easy for others," would it have been better?

--Is this line of thinking acceptable...?

I took my full fresh PT for the first time in months and after taking it, I couldn't study anymore and had to call it a day. Exhaustion. I BR'd one game and compiled a list of LR questions that I should BR before grading them but I'm so doing them tomorrow.

Do most of you BR full PTs on the day of taking them? Unless I'm on advil like 3 times a day, which I don't think is a great idea though I am no doctor, I doubt I can do full PTs AND BR them on the same day. But that automatically reduces the number of hours I study daily on PT days. Kind of torn here.

Please share your experiences.

P.S_ I'm currently studying full time. On a non-PT day, I typically spend 6 hr-ish(Meal/bathroom/rest/daydreaming/Browing on the internet excluded) fully dedicated to the LSAT.

I'm fully aware that scores you get on PTs that you've already seen in the past 3ish months are most likely inflated. In this case, you're encouraged to focus on refining/honing skills needed and mechanically applying approaches learned. And I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Now, how about PTs that you saw more than 10 months ago? For me, 10+ months of time most likely resets my brain. I may remember a couple of LR questions but most of the time it's more like "oh I remember reading about this subject matter in a stimulus' as opposed to 'oh the credited response for this question was C.' I experimented whether or not retake scores reflect my current level earlier this year. Took a PT I hadn't seen in 11 months. Took a brand new PT several days later. They was a 1 point difference.

I've recently been taking PTs in the 60s, which I took last August. So exactly a year has passed. And I've seen massive score increases in three PTs. I think on one of them I had a 12/13 point increase. I really want to believe this is a testament to major improvement as I'm prepping for my third take in 2 months. Any 7sage folks out there that have experienced the same?

This started playing in my head... Am I going insane at last?

Hi y'all,

Although I have temporarily stopped PTing and am fully committed to drilling games/passages for now, this occurred to me while sharpening my pencils earlier today: how many pencils do you use for each PT? Do you prepare at least 5 so that at the beginning of each section, you pull out a freshly sharpened pencil? Or do you use one for the first 2/3 sections? Since I notate relatively heavily on RC passages, I need a sharp tool at the beginning of each RC section but I would also like to know how others go about this.

:)

Although I haven't done every single PT since 52, I have to say that Roman/U.S, Canadian law passage on blackmail from PT 65 is the most difficult to parse. Actually I take that back. The passages themselves aren't too terrible but about half of the questions are just impossible to get right even atmy second/third attempts. Which one is the most difficult one for you???

Also, I'm not sure if she was referring to the very same passages but I definitely recall in one of her webinars, Nicole challenged listeners to come up to her with more difficult dual passages than certain dual passages from one single PT. I'm wondering if that was PT 65.

Hello,

As many of you know, on every employment summary sheet from each law school breaks down the law firm category into 8 subcategories: solo, 2-10, etc.... I used to think that only 501+ firms were considered biglaw but turns out I was kind of wrong? One of my closest friends has recently moved from a 501+ firm to a 251-500+ firm and her salary is exactly the same according to her. So my question what is the bottom line? If 251-500+ firms offer pretty much the same benefits, do 101-250+ firms count as biglaw too? When we see those biglaw percentages from law schools, do they only include 501+ firm stats?

I've been feeling guilty for not being able to finish both in a day. After a fully timed 5 section PT, I can probably BR for 1.5 hrs max. I have to do the rest on the following day. Was wondering if any of you guys out there were also in my shoes.

Hi y'all,

It's the passage about serotonin and I have a quick question. I was down to A and D and chose D and then switched to A. At first I was drawn to D because it said the body's desire for carbs CAN BE influenced by serotonin... And the second sentence in the first paragraph says "The answer to this question IS NOT KNOWN but ... SEEMS TO BE... SEROTONIN..." Not known/seems to be matches with Can be in the answer choice whereas A) says VARIES with. The author is less confident than that. Was I thinking the right way the first time?

Thank you!

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Hey guys/or anyone from the admin staff,

Not seeing the 'not saving results' button by accident, I scored two full tests on analytics when I only did a section from each test. So everytime I login, I see scores of 121, and 122, which is really annoying haha. Does anyone know how to erase this? I can't figure it out myself! Thank you :)

Hey y'all :) I have two quick questions for those of you who, preferably, have bidden farewell to the LSAT after beasting out recently.

First of all, I used to be super impatient with having to wait until thorough BR was over years ago when I was studying for this test. So as much as I wanted to brainwash myself that I was BRing, as soon as I finished a PT, I rushed to the last page and started checking answers. Looking back, I know I shot myself in the foot. (I ended up not taking the LSAT that year. Smart choice.)

Years have passed since then. I started studying a couple of months ago and this time things have changed. I AM TAKING IT REALLY SLOW WHEN IT COMES TO PTs. So I'd do a timed LR or RC section(with a scantron!) and sometimes I check my answers a day or EVEN TWO DAYS LATER. In between, I am writing down how I separated conclusions and premises, any assumptions/patterns/trap answer choices I have noticed that repeatedly occur on the test, which answer choices particularly confused me and WHY I fell for the trap answer choices and HOW I would counter differently if I were to do it again etc. Only then, do I check the answers. Yes, I do this for almost every question except for super obvious MP questions or questions that I was 100% confident with that it took me 10 seconds to finish. As you know very well, this entire process even for a single LR or RC section really takes a long time. Half a day is the minimum on a single timed section. The thing is sometimes I feel as though I'm too comfortable with the waiting process. Is taking a day or two between timed sections laudable or am I taking it too slowly? Granted, taking a long time BRing doesn't always necessarily lead to awesome results but what do you think, Mr./Ms. Gurus?

Second question is shorter: my performance on a few timed LR sections in the late 20s and the 30s onwards have been -5 to -3. BR scores have hit -2 at best(for instance on PT 30). This makes me feel really great. But at the same time I am working on PT 1 to 10 and it gives me a heart attack to see the results: timed scores are -8 to even -15 on a SINGLE LR section(PT 5 to be exact) and BR scores aren't really different from timed scores. I feel as though I'm preparing for a different test when it comes to pre-PT 10s. Are LR sections in the 60s and 70s much more similar to the 30s on which I have been performing well? How much weight would you give to these crappy results from LR sections from the early 1990s? The crazy thing of all is that when I'm going through questions timed, I feel the same. And then the results: bam. -15 and -3 confuse the heck outta me.

Am I on the right path?

I'm having a really difficult time eliminating answer choice E) in this one. I I chose this during timed, switched to the credited response C) during BR. C) is stated in an unambiguous fashion in paragraph 4. I understand why the author would agree with this but why is E) wrong? I've read multiple explanations online yet I'm still stuck.

Since the passage states that "mirrors are an exception to the fairly reliable equation between our perceptions and their associated mental constructs," aren't reflections in mirrors to be mental constructs interfering with an accurate understanding of how primary perceptions function? Is it wrong because of the word primary? Mental constructs are what encourage us to focus on imagined, false images, which hampers our understanding of real perceptions. That's my understanding...

Please help!

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Hey y'all,

Since I've already taken PT 60 to 68, I have been foolproofing games in these PTs alongside ones in 1 all the way up to 40 and A, B, C, Feb 97 and C2. I personally like this combination very much. But I haven't touched PTs in the 70s yet.

With the exception of the last game in 72 and the virus game in 79, would you say games in the 70s are more or less very similar to games from 60 to 68? I'd like to know whether foolproofing games in the 60s(I've repeated each and every one of them at least 3 times thus far) in addition to the old PTs has prepped me well for the 70s or not.

Thank you :)