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Friday, Oct 30 2015

kirstenamorelli605

Seeking advice for LG improvement

Hi, I'm hoping someone can offer me some ideas. I have been really pleased with the improvements I've made using 7sage which I've been using since June. I took the October LSAT and got a 161 but I am hoping for a 165+. My main issue was, and continues to be, logic games. While I have improved significantly since when I first started, I am still averaging around 7-10 wrong on this section, while my other sections are much stronger.

At this point in my prep, I am pretty much exclusively PTing and doing review. However I feel as though I should be concentrating more heavily on LG. I don't want to just do the LG sections and burn through the Prep Tests I have left (I have only taken up to PT 60). Any advice? I have the Cambridge LG packets with the older LGs grouped by type that I have been doing but I just feel that I need a more concrete plan to shore up this section before December because doing so could pretty much get me to where I need to be. Thanks folks!

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kirstenamorelli605
Friday, Jan 29 2016

I have ADHD so looked into this but opted not to seek accommodation, however it can be done. If you had accommodations on the SAT or ACT (or other graduate level entrance tests GRE, MCAT, etc) then you will be able to get approved, otherwise I think the process is much more difficult.

There is very specific testing that has to be done, I had these tests done when I was much younger but they have to be fairly recent (within 3 years) I believe for LSAC to accept them. You will need to work with your psychiatrist to get the necessary testing, in addition to documentation from your university of your accommodations in undergrad. The testing can be fairly expensive as it includes comprehensive achievement, aptitude, and processing tests. If you are already seeing a psychiatrist (hopefully one that specializes in ADHD) to manage your condition, then you would need to talk to them about the criteria and work with them to put together an application. If you truly feel you need accommodations I would not take the test again until you are granted them.

http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/jd-docs/guidelinescognitive.pdf details the specific tests and documentation that are required.

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kirstenamorelli605
Monday, Jan 25 2016

I'm just thinking off the top of my head. I can't remember which passages start off with questions per say, but these are 2 things I can think of questions doing fairly frequently in RC.

-The author will pose a question, tell you what some other people think the answer/explanation is, and then ultimately agree or disagree with them.

-The author will pose a question and then present and defend their answer, either as the main point of the passage or to provide support for the main point.

This is a hard question to answer, I think you have to kind of know what the main point of a passage is to be able to understand the significance of questions posed. Hope this helps.

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kirstenamorelli605
Monday, Nov 23 2015

I know how you feel. When you know you are spinning your wheels the hardest part is that it takes discipline to move on instead of thinking that just "30 more seconds and I'll have it", because you end up doing that 3 or 4 times. I've been working to try and be better about this. In terms of knowing when to skip, I read the stimulus once, if I don't understand it I will read a second time. If I still don't understand I'll skip. I circle in the book and then make a little dash to the left of the question # on the answer sheet and will go back once I've completed everything.

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Wednesday, Jan 20 2016

I agree with you. RC has always been my strongest section and I am finding the questions to be a lot more abstract like you said, and the answer choices much more subtle. While it's obviously still critical to understand the reasoning structure I think a lot of the questions are placing more emphasis on understanding the tone/attitudes/opinions and being able to infer from those. I don't make any notations but I've started reading the passages twice, once at a normal pace and then quickly skimming a second time. I've found that to be super helpful. On my second read I already know the structure and so by just skimming over I find myself catching a lot of the minutiae that indicate the tone, author's attitude, etc. It has been worth the time investment for me.

Proctors: About 5 proctors, all very competent but not uptight and helped to create an overall relaxed atmosphere.

Facilities: Law School Building or Engineering Building. Vanderbilt is a beautiful university with very clean, modern facilities and plenty of room to hang out during the break with comfy chairs and couches.

What kind of room: Large lecture hall

How many in the room: ~50 -60

Desks: Long continuous lecture hall tables, ergonomic chairs with wheels, good lighting.

Left-handed accommodation: There was an empty seat between each test taker, plenty of room for lefties without bumping their neighbor.

Noise levels: Very low to silent, signs in the halls asking people to be quiet, testing in progress.

Parking: I walked to the test but there is parking available, I believe at a ramp several blocks away.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: ~ 1 hr

Irregularities or mishaps: None, proctors are very competent and clearly experienced.

Other comments: Great testing site. October was in the law school building, we were split into 2 smaller lecture halls by last name, February everyone was together in a bigger but almost identical lecture hall in the Engineering building.

Would you take the test here again? Yes

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Saturday, Aug 15 2015

I have been doing all 5-section tests. Personally I think this is critically important in terms of mental stamina and being completely accustomed to how the test is going to flow on test day with 5 sections. I would never do all my pts with 4 sections and then just wing it with 5 sections on test day.

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Saturday, Nov 14 2015

Yes and Yes. One of my chief concerns about this whole process is that a lot of the available information is from TLS and other online sources. IMO those places are just huge echo chambers, where for the most part you have people who are in the same position as you are (applying to law school), giving you advice that they got from another person who was simply applying to law school. Repeated enough times it can become "truth". I wanted to have an expert on my side, and so far it has been worth it for me. My consultants guidance has been invaluable.

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kirstenamorelli605
Saturday, Jul 11 2015

Ok this question really grinds my gears. I also picked E. I think this is a very tricky question for a couple reasons.

First, my interpretation of E was that it weakens the analysts claim, which is different from the way JY interpreted it.

My thought process was that since there is going to be an even better and more cost effective bulb coming out, that would weaken the analysts prediction. The new bulb is now better than the conventional bulb in both ways that were previously mentioned: Cost effectiveness and length of use, so of course people are going to buy it. I can see now that I wrote it out, I made an assumption here, and I think that is where I went wrong.

The way JY interpreted it was that E strengthened the prediction of the analyst because now people are going to wait to buy this new bulb. I'm still stumped on this. Is there something in the question stem that helped you come to that interpretation?

Secondly: If we see something like this again- where one answer has absolutely nothing to do with any of the other answers, or the claim, should we probably select that? Is this something that happens often? This makes me think that: Having no relation to the argument = doesn't support the argument. Which I guess is true. My main mistake was the misinterpretation of E.

Sorry if this is so wordy. I just need to sort this out. FAIL.

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kirstenamorelli605
Thursday, Jul 09 2015

Thank you for the encouragement. Great post.

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Sunday, Nov 08 2015

You need to make sure you clearly understand the errors you are making for LR. For me I realized I could not do this in my head. I committed to actually writing out an explanation for why every answer choice was wrong and why the correct answer choice was correct. I do this for every question I am unsure about or get wrong. Then after that I watch the video. You need to be really committed to quality blind review. If you don't understand why wrong answers are wrong you need to go back through the curriculum.

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kirstenamorelli605
Saturday, Feb 06 2016

I had LG for sections 1&2 but I can barely remember anything about them. The travel one was London, Madrid, Paris (LMP) and then there was the professors speaking (HGL), volunteers, floors in a building (liked that game), Mirrors and Pillows, I just remember thinking as I was going through that I felt like a lot of the games had so many possible worlds and I wasn't sure if it was me or the games haha....Nothing crazy like December though.

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kirstenamorelli605
Sunday, Dec 06 2015

I still can't get over how people show up without any pencils. And that the proctors ask people "Does anyone need a pencil?. I mean really? You didn't bring even 1?

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kirstenamorelli605
Monday, Oct 05 2015

I have no idea. Letting someone work with their test book and scantron for an extra TEN minutes is such an unbelievably huge violation though. It would probably help if you knew where they were sitting. The proctors draw out a diagram of where everyone was sitting so the LSAC can identify people if need be.

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kirstenamorelli605
Monday, Oct 05 2015

I'd be pissed. That's also a terrible strategy to transfer all your answer choices in the end. However keep in mind that by filing the complaint you take the chance that they might cancel the entire rooms scores and offer a retake...so if you think you did well...

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kirstenamorelli605
Monday, Oct 05 2015

I got thrown by the first question because it was so atypical. I got flustered and I dumped way too much time into it. I honestly blanked and didn't even know what to do next. Live and Learn. I agree that overall the game probably wasn't that hard.

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kirstenamorelli605
Tuesday, Aug 04 2015

Hey there- I also struggle with the logic games, it's my weakest section. I haven't been studying for nearly as long as you but I know where you are coming from. Sometimes I feel like I just get so lost, or confused, and then I freeze and get overwhelmed.

For me, my biggest breakthrough has been trying ensure that I am not "thinking too fast" and that I am diagramming correctly, neatly, and with purpose. No erasing. Ive found that when I'm moving too fast in my mind I make stupid mistakes or forget things. I'm trying to be more deliberate about each and every inference I make. Taking even just a brief 1 second pause in my mind before I move onto a different rule, inference, or question has made me slow down in my head so that my brain and pencil are on the same page. Hopefully this helps.

We can do this! Good luck!

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