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Without going into detail, whats the consensus on game 3? Difficult? Easy? Or just time sink?
Lots of people on the TLS forums giving conflicting accounts on it.
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Without going into detail, whats the consensus on game 3? Difficult? Easy? Or just time sink?
Lots of people on the TLS forums giving conflicting accounts on it.
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Guys.
This thread has been very close to the border of TOS violations if not completely over the line at points.
Let's all just simmer down and do something else with our time than attempt to rehash this game from memory. The only wheels that should be spun are pottery wheels—so, let's get a nice productive hobby and stop making ourselves nuts (and possibly violating TOS).
@kirstenamorelli605 The more I think I remember this game, I think the less I actually do - do not remember a not both rule...ughhhhh
@2543
I missed the not both rule. Which now that I am aware of it, the game solves so easily.I doubt I got the acceptable situation question right, and I'm sure I missed the second question (I had two other items together that shouldn't have been) but I can't remember anything else.
@kirstenamorelli605 It is totally possible. You can get away with making inferences/getting questions right and basically working around the fact that you missed a rule, it also depends on the rule though. Can you subtly say which rule you missed? I can only remember one question from that game, but I think I remember all the rules.
@2543:
Whew. Ok. At least it's not too many. Maybe still met my score goal. Please encourage me and tell me that you have also had an experience in the past (as happened to me on preptest 74) where you missed a rule on a game and only got one question wrong on the section.
:((( There were five questions, 14 -18.
Anybody remember how many questions were in this game? I just learned that I missed a rule :*(
EDIT: decided this comment was too detailed. Sorry!
mimimimi and zfisher you are SO helping me breathe a little easier haha <3 <3 <3 Man, I've gotta get this test out of my mind for the next month.
I just re-did the game from memory. I did not mis-read a rule and I definitely had three game boards with two elements switching off. SO CONFUSED.
Didn't find the game particularly difficult except for the last Q; had to go back and narrowed it down to 3 choices but had to guess due to time running out. I think that was the only LG Q I had issues with.
@christinadavidesko205 @kirstenamorelli605 Thank you!
@dainag754 I only had three game boards too! I did not misread a rule and I actually checked all the answer choices.
Which rule we talking about?
I am now thoroughly convinced I misread a rule. I only had three game boards. Terrified.
@kirstenamorelli605 Indeed!!! You found it! Actually I didn't recall this game during the test but it used to give me a lot of trouble.
This is just me: whenever I see a MBT/F on the 2nd question of a game and I don't get it under 15 sec (meaning to come up with an approach that is not brutal force), I know I must be missing an important inference. This is how I realized that my initial approach for this game was wrong - I spent one or two minutes on the second question and was still shaky about the answer (that feeling when you find the right answer but have no time to check the rest of the answer choices). I knew then that I must have missed all the inferences. Actually the game is highly restrictive and 7sage's golden approach of splitting game boards saved the day.
@569 @christinadavidesko205
Preptest 7 game 2.
Similar setup but far fewer and also similar rules.
Any games that are heavily sequencing but also sort of grouping are similar. But this game was very open with the rules and, as discussed above, while theoretically there is a doable number of game boards, I don't think that helped. In that way it made me think of preptest 57 game 4, which for all of my banging my head against the wall I have never managed to perfect.
This game reminded me of an old game in which someone is scheduling research, operation, lecturing etc from Monday thru Saturday but Thursday is skipped. I don't remember which PT it was but it is used as an example in many prep books.
For those that took this test, are there any games that you can think of that mirror the inferences on this game that we could use for practice?
@kirstenamorelli605 Yes, by doing some work upfront, you realize there is a limited number of possibilities and this game is actually pretty restrictive.
Usually the way I do logic games is that I will create very rough diagrams to map out a few rules, just enough that I understand how they interact with each other. That's what I did in this game - mapping out those two major rules to get a feel of what the boards would look like. I don't think you need to do all the boards, but I do wish I had spent more time upfront with the rules in hindsight.
Yeah I made the wise choice after a few minutes into that game of skipping it and going onto game 4, then came back around to make some hasty guessing on the ones I hadn't got to on game 3. I realized right at the end that that game was simpler than I was making it but oh well
I also found this game super difficult, even though I did split. I ended up testing every answer choice (almost) on every question. Even so, I don't think I spent more than 15 minutes on this game. And fortunately, the other games were just super duper easy. So I'm actually feeling pretty comfortable on this.
@2543:
Were you able to make upfront inferences on this game? Because I thought game 2 split beautifully into 3 almost-complete boards, but I couldn't make a single inference on game 3. And I"m certain that I did not mix up the two rules that you mention.
EDIT: I just wrote out the rules and redid the setup. You are correct @2543, this game splits decently into 8 boards, although not so nicely that I think it is necessary.
I know how the curve is determined in advance. But that doesn't rule out the possibility that it could still have been determined in advance that the game was difficult and would, therefore, have adjusted the curve accordingly. Am I right?
Also, without breaking LSAC regulations, which two rules did most people misread?
The "curve" is determined long before the test is given and has nothing to do with people collectively shitting the bed on test day...