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Monday, Jan 29 2018

@ Thanks for your words of encouragement. I still haven't decided but it really helps to hear everyone else's experience.

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louisejesse40
Monday, Jan 29 2018

If it makes you feel any better I have definitely plateaued - my score has stayed consistent for the last1.5 months in spite of additional studying. It happens but I don't have specific tips for you. Have you gotten significantly worse?

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louisejesse40
Sunday, Jan 28 2018

@ , Do you feel that having taken it once put more pressure on you going into a retake? Or was it nice having already taken it?

One situation that complicates this even further is that if I take it in February I will be at a different test center than I would be in June, so it wouldn't really give me insight into how things go in a particular testing center. Long story short I live in New Orleans and the exam in Feb is the weekend before Mardi Gras, so I was afraid that there would be too many distractions (I have a roommate and he's having tons of guests over) and I decided to fly to my parents' house in Ohio to take it. The fact that I organized a trip around this test makes me cancelling even more absurd, although I did get the flight with "award" miles that I can get refunded if I don't go.

But yes, it would demystify it which might help. One complicating factor with my score is also that although I've taken full timed tests with no extra breaks, I've never really "simulated' a test center - I have a fake proctor but I take it at home in a comfortable spot with my pajamas.

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louisejesse40
Sunday, Jan 28 2018

Thanks to everyone who has chimed in, I know my post was very long. I've now shared this same post on reddit and facebook...ahahahah oh man, my misery is deep right now. I've been obsessively googling "should I postpone" for roughly 48 hrs now...

Still don't know what I will do. I guess I'm deeply afraid that I'm putting it off because I don't want to deal with the pressure. Since I've already postponed, I worry that this is a psychological hurdle that I'm dealing with, and it would be awful...I mean truly, truly awful - if I somehow made it to June and encountered the same anxiety about not being ready.

That said, LSAT scores don't lie. I've seen an improvement of 9 points in the last 4 months, and there is no reason to believe I can't master those games. If I can simply improve by 5-6 points on the games, I can more than meet my goal of a 165, and it seems stupid to just take the test if I know full well I'm not there yet - especially since I'm not applying until December 2018.

I dunno. My mom is going to murder me (and...I'm 34. Go figure, my mother still has this much influence over me). She's definitely convinced it's "better than I thought" and that I'm just "scared." I don't think she understands that you can't really accidentally do much better on the LSAT than you thought you would.

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louisejesse40
Saturday, Jan 27 2018

Thank you both. I really don't know. I know that if I go into test day in 2 weeks, I will go into expecting to score between 158 and a 162, and I will go into it knowing that I will panic during the logic games section.

At the same time, if I postpone, I will go into it thinking "if I don't score above a 165 now, my entire year has been wasted."

I just don't really know. One thing that's relevant to know about me is I'm not actually fixated on going to a top 12 or top 20 school. I would like to get into Ohio state. 162 is in their 75th percentile, but since I have a somewhat lower grade point average than most people here, I want to knock the LSAT out of the park, because I cannot afford to pay a lot for law school and I will only go if I can get significant financial aid. I met with friends and colleagues with a similar background (nontraditional student, worked after law school, less than perfect GPAs) that went to both Ohio and to Wisconsin (similarly ranked) on full-rides, and all of them got between 167 and 170 on the test. I figure that that is what I need if they are going to consider me for significant funding, so my reasoning is coming from there.

I also don't know how those schools regard 2 lsat scores and I"m afraid it will count against me since I will be adding an addendum about one year of my undergraduate experience.

Hi all,

well, this question has been asked a million times, but I will ask it again...apologies.

My goal is to get 165 +.

Long story short I've been studying for almost a year now. Started Last March, more or less. My studying has been....a learning process. I started out quite erratically - I figured "oh, I have so much time!" and didn't put in that many hours (I also work full-time). I didn't buy a class or anything.

After 3 months or so of doing a few hours a week with some old power score books that a friend gave me, I realized that it would be better to get a class. So I got the 7sage course (the most basic one). I worked my way through about 2/3 of the lessons. During this time, I was occasionally doing practice sets, but I was mostly focused on logic games but I would do one game at a time. I kind of jumped around and did not use the foolproof method. Please don't ask me why. I think I just wanted to rush through everything because I underestimated how difficult the LSAT is.

In August I started to panic because I wanted to take the September LSAT, and I thought "oh my god I need to start doing full practice tests!" I took a few. This revealed that my score was still basically at the point where my diagnostic was (156).

I decided to postpone the September exam until December. I finally understood that score had not changed since my diagnostic because I didn't apply myself enough and didn't take enough time to learn the fundamentals.

I started learning the fundamentals. December arrived and I had done a few more practice tests- maybe 3/4 ( I only have time to do one a week) but my PT score had only climbed from a 156 to a 162.

I decided to postpone again.

Because I felt ridiculous, I did register for the February test. My mother, and my colleagues (I work at a law firm), were all saying that I should just take it. I figured that I absolutely needed to do the Feb 2018 exam because I had put it off so many times.

Fast-forward to now, and my highest PT score has risen from a 162 to a 165. I have something like 2 weeks but I'm working the whole time (I can't get days off). And I'm freaking out.

I want to score a 165 or higher. So...I'm almost there. It feels kind of ridiculous to put it off AGAIN... I'm close, so maybe, if I'm truly lucky, I will get that 165. But I think that that is not super likely. I assume my score will actually go down on test day, so it's probable that I'll get a 160, maybe lower (I score more consistently at 163 than 165).

If I postpone I will have time to do more than the 10 total practice tests I've done. And my logic games (this is my worst section) are finally getting better since I've started with the fool-proof method. But I'm still getting 8-10 wrong consistently. I can't finish all 4 games, EVER. Maybe this will improve.

This said, if I put it off, I have to deal with the stress of this dang test hanging over me for 6 more months - I fear that I've built this up so much that I'm just psyching myself out and looking for excuses to delay taking it. I fear that this psychological stress will get worse if I wait longer. I can always just take it in February (I've already paid) and take it again in June.

It is also possible that I've hit a plateau. I started with a pretty good diagnostic, and after a year I've only gone up by 9 points (and I only got a 165 once). My logical reasoning has completely stagnated - I always get 3-4 wrong. My reading comprehension has improved, and my logic games are getting there, but I'm ASTOUNDINGLY bad at them so I fear I actually will never do better than I'm doing now.

So. Do I put it off, given the possibility that another 6 months won't help much, and will just end up putting more pressure on me since I've delayed again?

Or do I just take it, but take it knowing that I am extremely unlikely to get the score I want - basically guaranteeing that I will have to retake?

Sorry for the wall of text.

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louisejesse40
Tuesday, Dec 26 2017

Ok guys! thank you for all of your suggestions. This helps. I did not think about the difficulty of reviewing in that amount of time - seems like I should do one full test per week but then do timed sections as well.

I work full time. I've been studying for a long time now, but I've only taken 5 practice tests. I realized halfway through pTing that there were some basics that I had not mastered.

I want to take in February. I want to take a lot more practice tests but I work full time and it's simply not realistic for me to take them during the week. So I guess the only way to take as many as possible is to do two full, timed tests per weekend. If I do this, I can squeeze in 12 tests as opposed to 6 before the real test date.

I am just curious as to whether anyone here has done that. Two per weekend sounds fine to me, but I am afraid that two in a row will be too much? But maybe I'm being crazy. I know some people do one per day, so two per weekend shouldn't be too much.

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louisejesse40
Sunday, Jan 21 2018

I've got undergraduate degrees in history and political science and a master's in international development studies. And I've always worked for non-profit groups or organizations designed to help the "little guy" gain power. Started out looking at land policy in developing countries when I was living abroad, moved back to the states and worked for a union, and then ended up as a manager at a legal aid non profit. The common thread in all of these (save the land policy place, where I was really an intern) was...lots of admin and management duties, some grant writing, some project support... the work is fulfilling insofar as I work for organizations I like, but I want to have a specific skill set that is truly useful (and intellectually stimulating). I have seen what a critical role lawyers have to play in every single one of my jobs, all of which have served low income people with no access to legal counsel, and I want to step into that role. I'd be happy doing a lot of different kinds of law, either in a direct services role (IE( as a lawyer) or in a more systems based role, for example as a policy consultant. I think for the latter I may need to get a dual degree though, or get some research/ statistics classes under my belt.(/p)

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louisejesse40
Thursday, Sep 21 2017

As many have stated, no - I'm 33 about to turn 34 and I'm considering putting off applications another year to study more for the LSAT.

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louisejesse40
Friday, Jan 12 2018

haha thank you.

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Monday, Jan 08 2018

louisejesse40

misinterpreting words on logic games

Hey guys,

I think a lot of you will read this and think "why the hell is she posting about this" because it's not really something that has to do with actual logic game skills but,

I seem to have a persistent problem with misreading instructions in the logic games. Not the conditional instructions - those are covered by our lessons. I mean re-reading actual words the wrong way.

For example, on Preptest 44, one of the games is about 5 different archaeological sites, all of which were discovered by different people in different centuries. The options are the 8th, 9th, and 10th centuries.

One of the rules says "the site discovered 3rd is from a more recent century than the sites discovered 1st or 4th."

My brain somehow managed to read this as "the site discovered 3rd is older than the sites discovered 1st or 4th."

I messed up the rule during a timed practice test and then, shockingly, I messed it up again during BLIND REVIEW. This is how bad this tendency is. I don't have any kind of reading learning disability that might lead me to swap words in my head.

I'm just kind of at my wits end because this is not the first time this has happened to me. In fact it seems to happen a lot, and I usually don't realize it until I've diagrammed everything and then I have to start over, losing precious time.

Has this happened to anyone? Can you recommend any good techniques that will help me stop doing this?

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louisejesse40
Tuesday, Feb 06 2018

Hey @ Have you checked out law school numbers yet? I think some people with 2.5 GPAs do get into Loyola, but as other people here have pointed out a lot will depend on your LSAT score.

It sounds like you've got your heart set on entertainment law but Loyola is great for public interest law if you are planning on staying in Louisiana/New Orleans area. I work for a legal aid organization here in Nola, I know a ton of people who went there. PM me if you want me to put you in contact with some of them.

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louisejesse40
Monday, Feb 05 2018

@ Thanks for the encouraging words!

I ended up withdrawing before I saw your comment! I'm gonna postpone because I'm not planning on applying until next cycle anyways, so I figure there's no rush- even if I don't get the score I want in June there's always September and December of 2018 (and July now too, right?)

I told people around me and got some flack but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Only I can know when I'm ready, I guess!

Anyways, this forum has been of great help. It's so nice to be able to get support and food for thought from people who are familiar with the process.

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louisejesse40
Monday, Feb 05 2018

If it makes you feel any better, I wrote the same question on this forum about a week ago and I ended up withdrawing and postponing until June. I'm only about 3-5 points from my target, but I am not applying this cycle regardless so it just seemed like it was probably worth waiting.

This said, I really don't think there's any harm in taking it if you don't mind having two scores. The general consensus is postpone, but it's not going to seriously impact your applications if you have one lower score and want to the test now. But I doubt your score is magically going to go up by several points if you've never scored that high on a practice test (although this is of course possible)!

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louisejesse40
Monday, Dec 04 2017

With logic games, I'm mostly just running out of time - I skipped a whole game in my last timed test. I agree that I need to review the fundamentals, I worked my way quite quickly through the 7 sage course and now I'm going back and realizing that I really didn't master some basic things that I should have. So I have help.

With LR I guess I will just need to spend more time on it. Since it was my strongest section I entirely stopped studying it; I really haven't focused much on it all. I guess I am mostly just confused b/c I have gotten worse; that is not something I anticipated.

I don't think it's the year/ number of the test though - the only PTs I've done are between 30 and 40.

Thanks for your input - I am going to have to spend some time really studying what's going wrong in logical reasoning.

One question for you - the hardest questions for me in LR are the conditional logic ones and parallel flaws. I have heard that after PT 60 or so, there is actually less conditional logic in the LR sections. Have you found that to be true?

There's gotta be something wrong with my learning skills. I started out at 156 and I can't top 162 practically a year later. It's super confusing and frustrating - I started out going -4 or -3 on logical reasoning and -8 or -9 on RC and -15 on games. I decided to focus on the latter two since I was worse on them but it's completely backfired. I've managed to significantly improve on RC (I just needed to go faster) and now get -3 or -4, but I haven't improved at all on the games- and my logical reasoning has, inexplicably, gotten significantly worse - now I'm averaging -6. What the heck?

Is anyone in a similar boat where they've just plateaued? My diagnostic was decent so I was sure I would be able to top 165 on the test and I'm really frustrated. Why am I getting worse in logical reasoning? So weird.

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