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Hey guys, I had a difficult time eliminating answer choice C on this one. I do understand why A is correct but I can't 100% eliminate C. Explanations I've come across indicate that C just restates what was already stated in the premises, but I still see some slight gaps that C would seem to fill in, so I'm going to take a stab at what I think is going on here, and was hoping I could get some feedback as to whether there's more to add to my explanation or to confirm that it is sufficient. So here it is:

Basically, this is a sufficient/psuedo sufficient assumption question.

The argument is as follows:

  • We should only pay attention (PA) to intrinsic properties (IP) in art. (PA-->IP)
  • Extrinsic (E) are not relevant (not R) (E-->not R)
  • When looking at a painting (paying attention-->PA) we should look at what is directly presented (DP). (PA-->DP)
  • Conclusion:

    4) What is relevant is not symbolism (not S) but what it directly presents (DP). (R--->not S and DP)

    Analysis:

    So I see that symbolism is a new term in the conclusion, and I would like to get from R-->not S). I know from "2)" that R-->not E, so I see that adding in not E-->not S would allow the portion of the conclusion, R--->not S to follow via R-->not E-->not S. So that makes sense for A being correct.

    However, when I ready the conclusion: "What is really aesthetically relevant, therefore, is not what a painting symbolizes, but what it directly presents to experience," I ignored what was in between the commas and was looking to justify the conclusion, "What is really aesthetically relevant, therefore, is what it directly presents to experience." So I focused on that.

    Looking back at the premises, I saw from "1)" that paying attention necessitates intrinsic properties and from "3)" that paying attention also necessitates looking at what is directly presented. But the premises never explicitly connected intrinsic properties to that which is directly presented; it was simply implied.

    So going back to the conclusion -- which I qualified thinking that the middle (not S) was extraneous -- I thought that in order to conclude, "What is relevant is what is directly presented (R-->DP), I figured why not make the intrinsic/directly presented connection explicit? So I plugged answer choice C) Relevant-->Intrinsic, leading to (R-->Intrinsic)--->DP.

    Where I think I might have gone wrong:

    Plugging in Relevant-->Intrinsic still leaves the the original gap between Intrinsic and Directly Presented open. Also, Was answer C already stated in Premise 2) as E-->not R, as the contrapositive of R-->Intrinsic?

    The way I was supposed to have thought about it?:

    Paying attention leads to looking at only intrinsic properties and paying attention involves only looking at what is directly presented, so there's no leap in concluding that intrinsic properties involve what is directly presented. So it adds nothing to the part of the conclusion that what is Relevant are only instrinsic properties.

    However, connecting Relevant to whatever is not symbolic is an open gap that never connected Extrinsic properties to being symbolic and hence answer choice A) making this explicit completely (or almost entirely in the case of this being psuedo-sufficient) bridges the gap.

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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    machismo80834
    Saturday, May 14 2022

    I think the question pertains to Preptest 1, Section 4, #6.

    Japan is a model of the type of training effort required to be one of the most successful economies.

    What is that training effort requirement? To train as many people as POSSIBLE in certain technological skills.

    Training as many people as possible is not the same as training as many people as NEEDED, meaning that Japan may be doing their due diligence by training all qualified people that they can get their hands on—landing Japan into the position as one of the most successful economies—but it still may (and in fact does) have a shortage of technically qualified people.

    The stimulus did not say Japan was maximally successful, just that it is grouped into the category of being more successful than all the other countries not so grouped. In other words, Japan could reach an even higher level of success if there was no shortage of workers.

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    Wednesday, Feb 12 2020

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    Hi, conditional reasoning is something I have struggled with and wanted to start drilling to become better at. I was wondering whether anyone has ever compiled a list of questions that utilize conditional reasoning as the method to arrive at the correct answer? If so, would you be willing to share that list? Thank you!

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    machismo80834
    Wednesday, Feb 12 2020

    Okay, thank you both!

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    Tuesday, Feb 11 2020

    Wow, this was so nice! Thank you!

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    Monday, Apr 06 2020

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    PT88.S3.Q12

    So I’m having some difficulty eliminating Answer choice A and wondering why my interpretation of it is incorrect.

    A says: “The truth of a given description is independent of its emotional vividness.”

    I interpreted this to mean, whether a description is true or false is independent of emotional vividness. I remember from both passages that the respective authors thought that telling lies increased emotional vividness, so I thought A was correct by reasoning that if something is untrue then emotional vividness increases. Shakespeare in the first passage and subjectivity in autobiography in the second illustrated this. So I reasoned that truthfulness, as interpreted as being true or false is not independent of emotional vividness, because at least of aspect of truthfulness, being false—increases emotional vividness.

    Obviously, this was an incorrect interpretation. Just wondering how I could know that from reading the answer choice, and how I could ascertain the correct one.

    Thanks!

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    machismo80834
    Friday, Mar 06 2020

    I think an argument could still be made for the reversal of premise and conclusion not advocated for in the explanation.

    Premise: "When handled in this fashion the health risks from PEDs disappear.

    Conclusion: "So PEDs should be allowed, but only if administered under a doctor's care to make sure they are only taken in safe doses."

    Assumption:

    E) "Using PEDS at unsafe levels does not create a big competitive advantage over using them at safe levels."

    Analysis:

    If it is true that using PEDs at unsafe levels DOES create a big competitive advantage over using them at safe levels, then why would the Columnist conclude "So PEDs should be allowed at safe doses? The Columnist is aware that athletes seek a competitive advantage, and will do whatever it takes to get that competitive advantage. Therefore, since the Columnist wants to legalize a practice that will happen anyways, of course adding the qualification that it be administered safely, he must be assuming this legalization and regulation approach is sufficient for the athlete to acquire all of the competitive advantage he would want. Thus, unsafe doses of PEDs would not provide a bigger competitive advantage over PEDs at safe doses in his mind.

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    Monday, Mar 02 2020

    Perhaps if E had said “It is inherently inclined to favor more lenient punishment than the first rationale” then I think it would be correct.

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    Monday, Mar 02 2020

    I think E might be incorrect because it says the second rationale inherently “allows” more lenient punishments. My understanding is that both the social benefit model and the retributive model probably have the same pool of penalties to pull from; in other words, when a person commits a crime, probation all the way to life in prison could be available in a sentencing spectrum to both schools of thought. It’s just that the sentence actually chosen will differ depending on whether the decision maker takes a retributive approach (resulting in a lighter sentence) or a social benefit approach (resulting in a heavier sentence). I think B addresses this because it discusses the inclination that the retributive approach has towards lighter sentences rather than what E is getting at—the idea that the retributive “allows” more lenient punishment, which goes against there being the same sentencing options available to both approaches.

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