Wait. It sucks but it's going to be more worth your time and money to postpone and wait. Increase the LSAT and have a better chance at any possible scholarships. Not to mention a decent increase will hopefully place you in a school with a successful track record in placing students.

Applying in December has also been shown to not hurt your odds of admissions. While applying earlier is always better, December and early January apps aren't the perceived threat to your application.

Same boat, friend!

I too have a full-time job and also have an 8 month old. There is nothing that I want to do more than to get off work, spend time with the family, and veg out. One thing that I keep reminding myself of is that consistency of any form is the key to success. Some nights I can only put in an hour of studying - some nights I get 2-3. I bombed (emphasis on bombed) my January 18 LSAT. Solid 144. Now I am aiming for the September LSAT and, if needed, the December.

I panic because I know that my irregular study schedule could be the death of me when re-taking. But at the same time, I take solace in knowing that for better or worse, what will be will be. You can only control what you can control and there is no use in stressing over what is not your hands. If you retake in June and don't get the score you want, you have September. If not September, December. See the pattern? More chances will always come. As long as you are doing everything you can do without exhausting yourself and burning out, then just take pride in your work ethic and prep and be confident.

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@ Thank you so much for your insight! I agree that it is important to have a higher ranking in law school, which may be more difficult with the students in T14. Do you think if someone was to not go to T14, could they still realistically be making 6 figures?

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It depends on where/how you want to practice. If you want to practice in big time law and work for some 500+ lawyer law firm, then yes you might want to go balls to the wall and nail a well ranked school. If you are not interesting in doing big law within a Manhattan office or working in academia, the need to go 150k in debt for a T14 isn't there.

For the lawyers who are nailing the $50,000 mark, those are your fresh outta school local/state gov kinda people. Assistant Public defenders and assistant DA's are going to be in that range. However, if said ADA or APD went to not T14 school, got a good LSAT and got good schollys for school, a 50K a year job won't be that bad since their loans won't insurmountable.

My wife's cousin graduated Duquense Law School in Pittsburgh. Sub 100 school and tuition is higher than it should be for that school. But she got amazing scholarships, went into little to no debt, and is now assistant DA for Allegheny county. She clerked for 1-2 years post JD and is doing well.

All about where you want to be.

Also, consider this: If you go to a sub T-14 school, say Case Western which is T-65, and you finish top 25% or higher in your class, that will look mighty fine. If you go to a T-14 and finish on the lower range of your class, which might not be unrealistic considering the company that you'll be in, you might not get the same looks that you think.

Sure it is, but to be honest, I think you're really caught up with the idea of salary so I wanna make sure you're thinking about law school for the right reasons. If you want to make a for sure six figures and go into some nice debt and have a more promising chance of even getting a job, go to med school.

But anyways, I will use Pitt as an example. They are #74 with a tuition of $33,000. It will be unlikely that the students make $100,000 out the gate but they do have a record of placing in 500+ lawyer firms. Pittsburgh is a decent market so there is a chance for this as long as you aren't a shitbird and you do well in school and rank really well within the class.

All depends. And I think that when you apply and see where you get in and see what schollys will be there for you, you might change your mind on the high ranked schools. If I got into two schools, lets say Yale and Pitt, and Pitt offered me $90,000 in scholarships over 3 years (basically free) and Yale offered me very little and I was going to into 100K debt, I am going to Pitt no questions asked. Hell, pitt gives me $70,000, I'm going to Pitt. The lower monthly payment to likely salary makes it a no contest.

You have to consider how this will increase your risk for LSAT burnout. If every waking moment of your time is spent thinking about/doing LSAT stuff, you're going to burnout and need to take a substantial amount of time off to recover (at least that was my experience)

I sorta took a gym schedule approach to my studying. 3 on 1 off or 2 on 1 off. Sometimes my "off" days were spent watching videos of JY doing problems but me not doing them - but this was rare.

Don't beat yourself up. I took my first LSAT and got a 144. I applied to a few law school and got rejected from them all which, looking back, was probably the best thing that could have happened to me.

I was/am in a bit of a rush. I am 28 with a wife and son so putting off taking another LSAT and studying for a year+ was not an option for me. I came to 7sage, studied religiously for about 7-8 months, and saw a sizable increase. Now I'm off to Case Western in the fall. You will find things in the 7Sage method that work for you and things that don't. The reading comp method that JY teaches didn't work for me. So I adapted.

You can do this. The LSAT is all stuff that is just depends on grasping concepts.

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Hi! Boy that comment looks funky. There are all kinds of scroll bars going on. I went through the core curriculum and did the problem sets included at the end of the lessons. Once finished with the CC, I PT'd, found areas of weakness, and did pinpointed drills from the question bank.

Yeah I have no idea why my comment is appearing like that. When I posted, it looked normal. Woof.

And thank you, that makes sense. I didn't want to waste the question bank with explanations without knowing how I tested in each section. Thank you!

I'll be 28 with a wife, 2 year old, and another due on my winter break.

Goodbye sleep

Word! I'm about to be 28! Got outta high school, did some time the in Marines and just graduated undergrad last year. I think people like us are like the finely aged steaks that site behind glass at the butchers. Sure, you can have the rump cuts on the shelf and yeah they may taste okay, but the real flavor is in the aged, seasoned cut of meat just waiting for the right buyer.

Shout out to all the 7Sage steaks!

It depends on where/how you want to practice. If you want to practice in big time law and work for some 500+ lawyer law firm, then yes you might want to go balls to the wall and nail a well ranked school. If you are not interesting in doing big law within a Manhattan office or working in academia, the need to go 150k in debt for a T14 isn't there.

For the lawyers who are nailing the $50,000 mark, those are your fresh outta school local/state gov kinda people. Assistant Public defenders and assistant DA's are going to be in that range. However, if said ADA or APD went to not T14 school, got a good LSAT and got good schollys for school, a 50K a year job won't be that bad since their loans won't insurmountable.

My wife's cousin graduated Duquense Law School in Pittsburgh. Sub 100 school and tuition is higher than it should be for that school. But she got amazing scholarships, went into little to no debt, and is now assistant DA for Allegheny county. She clerked for 1-2 years post JD and is doing well.

All about where you want to be.

Also, consider this: If you go to a sub T-14 school, say Case Western which is T-65, and you finish top 25% or higher in your class, that will look mighty fine. If you go to a T-14 and finish on the lower range of your class, which might not be unrealistic considering the company that you'll be in, you might not get the same looks that you think.

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@ I could have sworn it was 3 booths, 6 people. now i'm paranoid i made up a whole person

You're right! It was 6 lol

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I had RC, LR, LG, LG, LR

Real RC:

14th Amendment-Supreme Court Case

Archaeological Findings? (domesticated horses maybe)

Comparative: Music (operas)

Seismic Activity

Real LR:

-Honeybees

-Sugar sweetener- parallel flaw

-National park and birds

-Reforestation- Explain

-Old houses & apartments on 20th st.- MBF?

-Jupiter & atmospheric winds- Explain

-Doctors/Clinical Psychologist prescribing meds- Principle

LG?

I need help remembering my two LG sections. I remember the set ups more. The last one being a [admin note: too specific, read OP] in my 1st LG section. I think about games and leveling up.

[admin note: too specific, read OP]

In my 2nd LG section I remember more [admin note: too specific, read OP] the last one being a [admin note: too specific, read OP] with artist exhibitions and musical performances.

Which LG was real?

Per Powerscore, musicians and artists was real. As was 5ppl 3 booths, weekly electronic sales and book editing. I could have sworn 5ppl 3booths was the in the first section but my brain must be fried

I agree the structure of both LG sections were similar.

Does anyone know if that artist/musicians game also talked about galleries? Was it that same game?

Different games. There was (1) with musicians and galleries. The musicians and artists was a double layer seq

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Are we certain that the 1st LG section was experimental in the RC-LR-LG-LG-LR format?

That seems to be census which is unfortunate because I felt really really strong about the first.

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LG: employees/booths, opening performances with artists, department store sales, forgot the other

LR: I had 3, 26 q w dolphins, 25 and 25.

RC: opera,plate techtonics

Games and RC destroyed me. I’ve been -0~-3 in games and only attempted one question on the last game.

RC killed me I easily missed 11.

LR seemed relatively normal to me, I finish two sections with time left which I rarely do on PTs.

Probably gonna cancel.

#NovemberRetakeGang

Shout out to November!

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I had RC, LR, LG, LG, LR

Real RC:

14th Amendment-Supreme Court Case

Archaeological Findings? (domesticated horses maybe)

Comparative: Music (operas)

Seismic Activity

Real LR:

-Honeybees

-Sugar sweetener- parallel flaw

-National park and birds

-Reforestation- Explain

-Old houses & apartments on 20th st.- MBF?

-Jupiter & atmospheric winds- Explain

-Doctors/Clinical Psychologist prescribing meds- Principle

LG?

I need help remembering my two LG sections. I remember the set ups more. The last one being a [admin note: too specific, read OP] in my 1st LG section. I think about games and leveling up.

[admin note: too specific, read OP]

In my 2nd LG section I remember more [admin note: too specific, read OP] the last one being a [admin note: too specific, read OP] with artist exhibitions and musical performances.

Which LG was real?

Per Powerscore, musicians and artists was real. As was 5ppl 3 booths, weekly electronic sales and book editing. I could have sworn 5ppl 3booths was the in the first section but my brain must be fried

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Which LG was real in this order?

Rc-lr-lg-lg-lr

I believe I can answer this if you remember something. Did the first section contain a 5ppl 3 booths? Or > @ said:

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Which LG was real in this order?

Rc-lr-lg-lg-lr

I am praying that the first LG was experimental but I’m getting mixed messages.

Let me ask you this, did the first section have the 5ppl 3 booths or was that the second? Because thats going to dictate the answer. 5ppl 3 booths was apparently real. As was artists to musicians.

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I know that I did very bad on one LG and good on the other. i think I did very bad on the real one if the 5 people with 7 shifts was real.

I honestly don't even remember having a question about 5 people and 7 shifts so I'm pretty concerned right now lol.

My first section of LG had 5 people to 3 booths. I am not sure if this was the exprimental or real. Powerscore has it under real but they also have the artists and musicians under real. I don't remember them being under the same section so I'm probably fucked.

5 ppl 3 booths was real

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Where is everyone seeing the PowerScore stuff? I can’t find anything on their site

Twitter. Follow David Killoran

I distinctly remember a game section that included a chart.

Can anyone confirm this was real or experimental?

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I know that I did very bad on one LG and good on the other. i think I did very bad on the real one if the 5 people with 7 shifts was real.

I honestly don't even remember having a question about 5 people and 7 shifts so I'm pretty concerned right now lol.

Powerscore is talking about children's games with levels and I'm panicking because I dont rememebr shit about children's games with levels.

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@ when you did 3on 1 off, what was your daily schedule on study days?

Well, I work full time and have a wife and kid so it's not typical in any sense. I'd put in my 8 hours at work, have dinner with the fam and then I was off to my ungrad's library.

I really only put in MAYBE 4-5 hours a day on study days and it was all late at night. And since I had such a set schedule for this, I would do something like, RC, LG, LR, off, RC, LG, LR. Most days i was drilling old old tests and then watching videos. The next week I would throw in a full test. But this is just what worked for me. I felt comfortable with this schedule and the amount of time I was spending on each topic and how I was doing it.

I gave myself a week to relax, decompress, and just regain composure. I was pretty confident that I bombed my first LSAT (I was right) so I knew that I needed to regroup and recenter before even thinking about putting in more hours.

I think you need to listen to yourself and your mind. If you think a couple days is enough, then take a couple days. If you need two weeks, take two. If you're not mentally ready to jump back in, those hours spent and remaining LSAT material will be a huge waste.

You and I are in the same boat with working and rough score goals. Honestly, if you are PTing consistently in that range, there are things that you can likely improve on by analyzing questions thoroughly in blind review. I took (2) PTs yesterday and have no intention on taking another test until game day. Today (Tuesday), tomorrow and Thursday will be purely dedicated to blind review and light drilling of games and maybe RC. Friday will be dedicated to fishing.

Finish the curriculum. You only have a limited number of real LSATs. Don't burn and sell yourself short

I think people are getting very heavily tripped up on the idea of a genre and how F relates to that idea. For me, I just recognized that F doesn't a shit about genres or periods. If it were up to E, a collection of preserved art would have a wide variety of things regardless of if they are masterpieces. Hell, E's collection might even have the shitty art from some downtown pre-school because it's a genre of childhood art.

For (F) that doesn't matter. If all art that is considered masterpieces came from Picasso onward, then nothing prior to Picasso, regardless of time-frame or genre would be preserved since museums, in his mind, don't have the funding to do this. So according to (F), why would my public museum waste money on some no-name artist? Just because it's a different genre than Picasso and Warhol? Negatory. Libraries should only preserve the greatest masterpieces possible and this simply isn't possible if we go with (E).

Thus, he disagrees with E's assertion that this should be the focus of museums even though he never explicitly says the word genre

I went ahead with B for the reason that worker carelessness does not mean that it's due to unsafe working conditions. So perhaps after 1955 workers were not acting like such ass-hats which would also side step the idea that legislation was the reason for the reduction.

But I think that requires too many assumptions