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Sunday, Mar 31 2019
ohnoeshalpme804
Sunday, Mar 31 2019
It’s highly unlikely that you’ll get any money as a grant from FAFSA. They will offer you loans, but almost never grants or scholarships.
The vast majority of law students finance their education through school scholarships and fafsa loans. There are two types of fafsa loans, one requiring a credit check and the other not requiring a credit check.
You can usually borrow $21,000 per year without a credit check through FAFSA. Then everything additional will require credit.
You should meet with or call the financial aid office at all of these schools and check to see how most students finance their legal education and what the median debt figures are.
Hey guys,
Trying to get a sense of how long it usually takes someone to achieve consistent -1/-0 on logic games. How many games from early tests did you do, how many attempts for each game, how many PT's before you started seeing perfect LG scores etc.
I know this isn't the most uplifting topic on here but I wanted to know if anyone else has experienced depression while studying for this test. Studying something for a year, with very little to no tangible affirmation or reward has definitely taken its toll on me. Anyone else experience this?
ohnoeshalpme804
Thursday, Feb 28 2019
You can get a job in Big Law from UVA without much difficulty. However, take into consideration the attrition rate in Big Law. For every 25 Big Law associates that are hired, 17 leave. With that in mind, I think it's reasonable to suspect that there's a strong chance you will leave Big Law, and an even stronger chance that if you stay in Big Law you will hate it. Even if you love Big Law, the expected billable hours are often 30%-40% higher than other legal jobs so you're working for the extra money. Needless to say, there are a lot of life sacrifices that come with a career Big law.
If you know for sure that you will be satisfied in Big law and that you will stay there for a good part of your career, then the $250k loan isn't a big deal. However, there's no way to get that guarantee.
So you have to ask yourself whether you're willing to take out $250k of debt knowing that the majority of Big Law associates hate their job or leave Big Law in the first few years.
I also, however, I don't want to be misleading here. You still have great employment opportunities if you choose to leave Big Law after a few years, but the debt will be harder to cover once you drop down from making 190k per year.
ohnoeshalpme804
Thursday, Feb 28 2019
I applied in Dec and I haven't heard from any CA schools either.
On average, how long does a strong LR student spend reading the stimulus and question stem before looking at the answer choices? In general I spend more than a minute on a question before I get to the AC's... (i'm new to timed LR)
I'm sure this relates to the LSAT somehow...
For anyone who has taken a video of themselves doing a time LSAT, how do you transfer such a large file from your phone to your computer so that you can view the footage in detail? I tried uploading to YouTube but it's forcing it to be 240p since it's such a large file.
Anyone have a better method for iPhone?
ohnoeshalpme804
Wednesday, Jan 23 2019
If you broke it up by section, and didn't take the full test altogether, you will definitely be introducing a confounding data point if you choose to enter it. However, the purpose, as far as I can tell, of the analytics tool is to show you where you are weak in terms of specific questions. The macro data regarding score increases over time is nice to see, but it won't help your score improve. If you took those sections under strict timed conditions, then I see no significant reason why you shouldn't enter them into the analytics tool. It will help you spot trends in question misses whether it be by section or by type that you might miss if you do it by hand. If you are concerned that you will inflate your score by entering this in as a legitimate test, you can always delete the test after you have entered it!
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Is there a method to gauge how much scholarship money a school may give based on your LSAT score?
ohnoeshalpme804
Wednesday, Jan 23 2019
A lot of schools use indices that factor both GPA and LSAT. If you are 10 points above 75th percentile, you will most of the time get a full-tuition scholarship if not close to full tuition, as long as your GPA is above the 25th percentile for that school. There is no specific function, however, that is reliable in predicting scholarship offers.
For example, I was median at one school for LSAT and slightly above median for GPA and I was offered a full-tuition scholarship. And in the following week, I was wait-listed at a lower ranked school. So I think it's safe to say there is some luck involved.
In general, when comparing GPA to LSAT, a single point on the LSAT is worth .1 for GPA. SO a student with a 170 LSAT and a 3.5 GPA is roughly equivalent to a 171 LSAT and a 3.4 GPA. This rule, however, is not fool-proof and breaks down when you consider 25th, 50th, and 75th percentile cut-off points. At a School with a 3.3 25th percentile GPA and a 3.7 50th percentile, the 171 with a 3.4 is a much more appealing candidate, because their 3.4 doesn't effect the numbers that they report to a significant degree. In the same respect, if a school has a 75th percentile LSAT of 165 and a 25th percentile GPA of 3.5, the 170 LSAT candidate is going to be more advantageous because he falls at or above the 25th percentile, and doesn't risk a 25th GPA decrease.
Hi 7sagers,
So I just had a pretty disappointing performance on LG and I am starting to get worried about my ability to improve my score by September. I spent the last month or so fool-proofing LG and I just took PT 32 timed and scored a -8 in LG. To put that in perspective, I scored a -8 on LG 1 month ago (before i started really fool-proofing). This means that across 25ish PT's worth of games I found no (consistent) improvement. Across the first 30 PT's my best score for a section was -2, but that's very rare for me. On average I'd guess that my LG score is something like -5 for a section. I'm starting to think that I need to start fool-proofing over from the beginning again.
Additionally, despite the fact that I have completed the CC, my LR scores are around -6/-7 per section and my RC is at -10. This puts my PT average, accounting for variance, somewhere between 158 and 161 with a BR score of 172-174. If I want to improve to a 170 by September, what do I need to do to have the best shot? Is a 9-12 point improvement in this situation unrealistic for two months? Should I restart fool-proofing until i'm consistently -3 or better? Should I start working more on RC since i'm losing about 10 points per section in this area? Should I still be taking a PT every Saturday?
I would really appreciate any feedback about similar situations or any advice that you all can give me. I don't expect anyone to answer all of these questions but I'd like to put it out there as this is a pretty big personal let-down.
Thanks
Hey Guys,
This week I am meeting with a friend of mine who is a recent Harvard Law grad! I wanted to poll this community to see if you guys had any specific questions for him. I'll be sure to ask him on your and my behalf!
Thanks :)
Hi all,
When I drill my weaker LR question types (untimed), I almost always go -0, and on BR I usually go -1/-2 per LR section. On a timed section, however, I usually score closer to -9 per section. Also, I feel strong for the first section of the test, but wear out as the test goes along. How do I improve endurance between PT's (I don't want to waste PT's)?
What drills should I do to improve speed and endurance for LR?
ohnoeshalpme804
Thursday, Mar 21 2019
You won't remember a lot of it. You are going to constantly have to refer back to the CC.
ohnoeshalpme804
Thursday, Mar 21 2019
Jobs in government vary drastically. There are a lot of legal jobs available in government but the best ones are, unsurprisingly competitive. In any case, the more competitive government jobs are going to be judicial clerkships, especially federal ones. Below that, it's not nearly as competitive. I think you'd have an opportunity to get a job in the government in Michigan fairly easily coming from OSU, but you're going to have to do your own legwork to get it.
ohnoeshalpme804
Thursday, Feb 21 2019
No wait two weeks. If you haven't heard by the end of two weeks then call.
ohnoeshalpme804
Thursday, Feb 21 2019
Rank is a reflection of quality. I suggest that you check out the ABA required employment disclosures, Above the Law rankings and LST scores. All these three give insight into employment outcomes while dispensing of LSAT and GPA weight.
It is true that in general the top 14 schools are going to have significantly better employment opportunities than the following 14. However, once you get to about rank 30 on any list, the employment differences between schools get smaller and smaller. Below the T20, It comes down to what region you want to practice in rather than the rank of the school.
If you can't make it into the T20, try to find the best school for your desired region of employment rather than looking at rankings.
ohnoeshalpme804
Saturday, Jan 19 2019
For NA questions, you shouldn't be pre-phrasing because NAs can be virtually infinite. In general, it is useful to understand the flaws in an argument because they can give you an idea of what to look for in the answer choices. But this process is often misleading and can be a major time sink. I would recommend that you allow the answer choices guide you through for NA questions. With practice, the correct NA will pop out to you when you read it.
ohnoeshalpme804
Friday, Jan 18 2019
I don't understand what you're asking. It would be helpful if you rephrased the question :)
How reliable are law school predictors in general? Which ones are the most reliable? Which ones did you use?
ohnoeshalpme804
Saturday, Mar 16 2019
Law schools understand that the admissions process is fluid and that your mind will change as new variables come into the equation. What you wrote in your letter before represented your state of mind at that time, with the information that you had at that moment. Your situation changed - your outlook changed.
You are technically going back on your word, but you can chalk this one up to a small personal error and a lesson in making promises. Just don't make another decision that you'll regret by following through with your promise if it's not the best school for you to attend.
ohnoeshalpme804
Friday, Feb 15 2019
Q1: There are two types of untimed drills. One is “natural pace” which means that you give each question a solid effort, but you don’t devote more than a few minutes to any single question. It’s meant to provide a benchmark for accuracy and timing across the whole section. The second type of untimed drilling is where you work on every question until you get to be as certain as you reasonably can, even if it takes you ten minutes for a single question. I don’t think this second type is as helpful as the first because you end up wasting a lot of time.
Q2: It could be beneficial to do a whole PT untimed, but generally speaking, the most effective method for untimed testing is to weave in untimed sections throughout the week and then address the errors that you made in the untimed sections within the same 24 hour period. I’m assuming that an untimed PT plus Br would take up too much time to do all at once.
Q3: Keep the old tests that you’ve already completed for later so that you can come back to them down the road to see where you have improved and where you still need to improve. Make sure to do your BR within 24 hours of taking a PT so that you remember what your thought process was when answering each question.
Q4: It depends how long your prep is going to last. If you have a year or more to prepare, use 1-35 for drills and 36-present for full, timed PTs. If you are only preparing for a few months and don’t plan on doing more than 20 PTs, drill from 20-50.
Q5: You should try to push your BR score to 4-5 above your timed goal score before you move on to intense timed practice.
There’s a lot here, but feel free to PM me if you have some specific questions!
I took PT 63 yesterday and scored on the low-end of my PT average (158). This is the same score that I got on my last 2 practice tests and I am starting to worry that there is something seriously wrong with my method. While my LG scores have increased from a -7 to a -1 in this time, my RC has gone down from a -9 to a -12, and my LR per section has gone down from a -6 to a -8.
To address my problems with RC, these last two weeks I did around 20 sections of RC, timed. Toward the end, I felt more confident in the section than I did two weeks earlier (-12). During practice, even for 5/5 diff passages I was able to swing a -1 in around 8 minutes. Come PT 63, no such luck. I struggled through the first two passages and then hit a tough science passage which ate up the rest of my time. I didn't even get a chance to read the last passage. All in all, the passages seemed more challenging than the ones that I had done previously - the structure was less straightforward and the arguments were more well-hidden in the superfluous-word-weeds. Is this just a factor of the increased difficulty of RC in more recent tests? How am I supposed to prep for this level of difficulty without wasting new material? Should I start drilling by section in RC? I am just really lost for the method of how to improve here. I know that RC is challenging to improve but it doesn't seem out of reach for me to improve from an average of -10 to a -5 for example.
Secondly, I also drilled all of the question types that I had a problem with in LR between each test. I watched my video of the latest PT and gained some valuable insight into where I was wasting time. I felt great about PT 63's LR sections actually but I totally bombed them. On the second LR section in the test I scored a -11 which is the lowest I've ever gotten in a LR section - even worse than my diagnostic a year ago. I don't feel hopeless, but it seems crazy to me that I can feel like I did well on a section and get a -11. Does drilling by question type actually work? If so, where does the emphasis need to be? Is it in the BR of those question types, or is it just by understanding the theory and then applying it quickly? Should I switch to section drilling for LR?
I realize there are more questions in here than one person really wants to answer, but if you have any insight into this type of score plateau I'd love to hear about it. If you feel that you have a good answer to any one of these questions please let me know :)
PS: I was wondering if consulting a tutor would be worth my time, maybe some of you can throw in your two cents about the tutors for 7sage if you worked with them and if they were worth the money.
I’ve only taken 3 PT’s so I don’t have substantial data about my strong and weak question types for LR.
My average section is -6 timed and -2 BR.
Should I start by doing section drills? How many per day? How should I respond to these drills? (I can study around 5 hours a day)
ohnoeshalpme804
Monday, Jan 14 2019
Generally within 3 weeks after acceptance :)
Hi all,
My true diagnostic score was a 149, I just finished the CC and took PT36. Unfortunately I scored a 154, which seems to suggest scarcely any improvement (aside from LG) despite 4 months of prep.
For June 2007: Total LR: -17, RC -13, LG -13
For 36: Total LR -18, RC -10, LG -9
I am wondering, is this normal? I know a lot of people have seen massive improvement after the CC alone, so it makes me feel like I did something wrong while going through it.
For now do I try to push my BR score to +5 above my goal score? Do I just follow Sage Josh's Post CC strategy word-for-word? Any advice on how to interpret this helps.
Thanks
Hi everyone, I hope you are all doing well :)
Burnout hit me pretty hard after the September test and I haven't studied more than 20 hours total in the last 2 months. I am scheduled for this weekend's administration but I don't feel strong. My PT average is one point above my target score but I haven't taken a PT under timed conditions since before the September test. My performance in September was -6 my PT average and I honestly felt better going into that administration that I do about this one.
My gut is telling me to give up on this cycle and prepare to retake in June but probability seems to favor taking in November since my PT average is above my goal score and taking now could theoretically push up my law school start date by an entire year. Obviously it's a gamble and unlikely that I hit my PT average on test day given the 2.5 month break from prep, but the upsides are pretty solid. That being said, I realize that life goes on and that I probably won't be any more or less happy taking a year off as I am a k-jd student and only 22 years old.
Try to put yourself in my position as I am still on the fence about taking the test this weekend and there is a lot of exterior pressure to start law school ASAP that I feel might be clouding my better judgement here.
ohnoeshalpme804
Tuesday, Mar 12 2019
Also, anticipating that you'll have 200ish hours of study time before September, it's important to keep in mind that for the Ultimate+ version, the CC alone is 215 hours. I also think that you'll probably need to sink at least 50 hours into LG outside of what's in the CC. So I doubt that Ultimate + makes sense in your case. You should probably start with the starter pack and then once you finish all the content you have access to, buy the next version.
ohnoeshalpme804
Tuesday, Mar 12 2019
The gap between my first PT and my BR was 20 so it's not unusual. I got destroyed by the time element because I have not been an avid reader so I read slowly. I felt rushed my first several PT's because of this and it took me a while to get over the panic associated with rushing.
Once you get more practice you'll be able to overcome the sense of rushing through and your BR score will become more similar to your timed score. My final PT was only 4 points below my final BR.
ohnoeshalpme804
Tuesday, Mar 12 2019
What was your score breakdown? (for example -1RC -5LG -2LR -3LR)
ohnoeshalpme804
Tuesday, Mar 12 2019
Also, i'd like to point out that below WUSTL, pretty much every school is a regional trap. For example, If you hate Minnesota but love Atlanta, then the University of Georgia is going to be a better school for you even though it's 7 places lower. The employment outcomes are so similar from ranks 20-30 it really comes down more to where you want to work once you graduate.
The trend on law school forums is that T14 into Big Law ought to be the goal for anyone who is pursuing a legal career. It is a fact that Big Law produces (generally) the least happy lawyers even when adjusting for income disparity, nonetheless Big Law seems to be the goal for an overwhelming majority of posters. Especially within top schools, there is a strong motivation to acquire a Big Law position.
For those of you who are convinced that Big Law is the career path for you, why?
If money was the same between Big Law and other paths, would you still choose Big Law?
I've been fool-proofing the earliest 30-40 games and have obviously come across several that are highly unusual and unrepresentative of games in general. Do you find it useful to fool-proof these games or do you try them watch explanation and just move on (this is what i've been doing)?
ohnoeshalpme804
Thursday, Apr 11 2019
it depends on employment outcomes. If outcomes are bleak then go $0 if they are strong then the second option is much better.
Just a quick question:
Assuming all other factors remain constant, what is better for admissions, applying in November with a 3.66 GPA or waiting until January to apply with a 3.7? (GPA will improve over the semester)
ohnoeshalpme804
Friday, Jan 11 2019
The plain version is ideal. Law school admissions officers aren't going to be impressed by an unusual resume. At best they won't care either way, at worst it annoys them. For law school applications the purpose of the resume is to provide an introductory, clear record of your professional and academic accomplishments. You use the personal statement and additional essays to differentiate yourself from other applicants.
I have finished fool-proofing the first 20 games in the set but I regularly come across games that give me problems. I have improved, don't get me wrong, but my scores on full sections are still wildly inconsistent. My best section ever I was able to get -2 and finish all of the games in time, but just yesterday I got a -7 on a full section. Is this type of variance normal for someone who has fool-proofed around 20 games or should I restart from game 1?
thanks :)
Hi all,
Starting in less than a month, I will be transitioning from part-time study to full-time study. I'm looking for some recommendations about full-time study methods/scheduling. I'm also very worried about burn out. I plan to test in September so I will be studying full-time for about 3 months.
Some background info: I have finished the CC, and have made only a little progress fool-proofing LG's 1-35. Additionally, I only took 2 tests since completing CC, so there's a lot of material that I still have to get through. I'd say 25-30h/week is needed (minimum) for me to get through all of the content. I tend to struggle on LG and RC specifically. I want to score 170+ but i'd guess that I am still stuck in low 160's range.
Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks :)
I see these posts a lot on 7sage about students who are unable to reign in their inconsistencies with RC. In my recent prep, I've noticed the same phenomenon. For a given section I might finish a 5/5 difficulty passage + questions in 8 minutes and miss only 1 question, but on another 3/5 difficulty passage in the same section it takes me 14 minutes and I miss -3/7. The answer to the inconsistency question here is probably "exposure" but are there any other methods or principles that you all have used that help you approach and tackle an RC section with consistency in mind?
Another thing that I've noticed is that there doesn't seem to be a difficulty gap between passages in RC, they all feel equally hard to me, regardless of difficulty rating - unlike LG where difficulty is highly predictive of performance.
Hi all,
I was wondering what I should do when I get to the point in a section where I feel like I already completed my blind review. I am mostly asking this about LR as I generally finish all of the questions with 5+ minutes left and have plenty of time to go back and review the questions that I was unsure of. Sometimes I will have sections where I have several minutes at the end that I don't even know what to do with. With all that in mind, how should I approach blind review for these sections? Am I past the blind review stage for LR or is there a deeper blind review strategy than this? Also, as a note I am scoring between -1 and -5 depending on section difficulty.
Hello All,
I'd like to preface this by saying that I know very little about the admissions process ie. the similarity of applications across schools, submission procedures, school specific essays and the like.
Some context: I will be taking the LSAT in September. Unfortunately, I will not know my scores until October. My plan so far has been to prepare and complete applications for prospective schools prior to knowing my scores, and then sending them off as soon as my score come arrives in October. This way I would have the best shot at early scholarships and acceptances.
What I am concerned about is the possibility of making applications to several schools that end up being too highly ranked for my LSAT score. For example, my aspirations are for the T14 but if I score a 165 I needn't apply to any of them as statistically (3.69 GPA non URM) I have no chance of getting in.
TLDR; I don't want to spend all of my time making applications to schools that I potentially won't be able to get in to.
Should I go ahead and make applications to several schools even though my LSAT score might be too low? Should I wait to make applications until after I get my LSAT score even though it would set me back significantly by having to apply several months later?
I appreciate any advice that you all can give me.
Thanks :)
ohnoeshalpme804
Saturday, Jan 05 2019
Only in the off chance that you don't know, schools usually offer a few hundred bucks for travel fees to students from out of state, or even around $100 for some in-state students! If you don't know if they have this, check with someone from the school and see if you can get a stipend!
ohnoeshalpme804
Friday, Jan 04 2019
"Complete" means that they have received all of the necessary forms for your application and "under review" generally means that they have opened your file but have not made a decision yet.
I wanted to see what you all thought about my schedule leading to the September test. As it stands, I am finished with the CC, I am 1/3 of the way through fool-proofing 1-35 and I have done a total of 3 PT's including my diagnostic. My plan is as follows -
I have 13 weeks and I will divide them between:
3 weeks to finish fool-proofing 1-35
remaining 10 weeks to take 2 PT's/week with intense BR and drilling in-between tests.
Does this look like a good strategy? Should I increase or decrease the number of PT's that I have taken?
ohnoeshalpme804
Friday, Jan 04 2019
The fact that you're only picking up 2 extra questions in LR during blind review tells me that you need to return to the fundamentals and do lots of un-timed drilling.
The general consensus for BR scores is that you need to have your BR score exceed your goal score by at least 5 points before you're ready to move on to timed drilling. Until you get to that point, continue doing un-timed drilling and honing in your fundamentals.
ohnoeshalpme804
Friday, Jan 04 2019
When I read this, I got stressed thinking about how there are only a limited number of paper tests left for the LSAT and that it's moving to digital after that.... then I remembered that I am done with the LSAT.
I guess the LSAT neuroticism never leaves us - like dreams about having to return to high school to finish a chemistry class.
I am curious about how you all feel about this situation. Even though it doesn't model real life - pretend that your only two options are going to Iowa and graduating with $10,000 in debt -OR- going to Notre Dame and graduating with $150,000 in debt.
Which would you choose?
I've been told that one should aim to master the fundamentals of the LSAT before moving on to PT's. At what point did you all decide that it was time to move on to PT's? Also, was this assessment correct, were you actually ready to start PTing? What are some things that you wish you had mastered/understood better before starting your PT phase?
Generally schools start to care after 6-7 takes. Keep in mind though, the paradigm for LSAT frequency is going to change drastically over the next two years.
Moving to electronic is going to allow for immediate score turnaround and several more test administrations per year. I don’t think it will be uncommon in the next few years and onward for students to take 5 or more times.
The real cost in the past to taking the test multiple times was
scores were averaged
test was offered a few times per year
Both of these are not the case anymore. First of all, USNews only counts a student’s highest test score. And secondly, the test will be offered more similarly to the GRE in the near future, with administrations happening bi-weekly or at the very least monthly.