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Monday, Sep 26 2016

I took the test in Seoul, Korea and I also had 3 LR sections haha

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Friday, Sep 23 2016

@ So do I. I don't know why though.. I was even sick on Tuesday and Wednesday, but I was like "Ok, now it's legit for me to rest." and I slept like an infant. And I just kept thinking to myself, "oh well. I will get better around Friday."And I do feel much better. I know I will probably meet some beasty questions but I also know if I stay calm, it will be just another question I need to see with fresh mind.

(yes i will be pollyana for this weekend haha)

Let's stay positive :D

We got this!!!

Oh and thank you JY for this :)

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Friday, Sep 23 2016

I don't think it's ok to use conditional for "generally" or "likely" sentences.

Conditional (A->B) means when there is A, B is there too. 100%.

You can think about our famous example that Jedi and force users.

'Every Jedi generally uses a force' is nothing like 'Every Jedi uses a force'.

'generally' or 'likely', 'some' 'most' 'might' 'may' 'could' ... these 'possibility' or 'probability' types are not 100%. So it's not working with conditionals.

Hope this helps :)

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Friday, Sep 23 2016

I thought this was more like a 'Your evidence sucks, therefore your conclusion also sucks' kind of thing...

Dominant view: petroleum formed from the fossilized remains of plants and animals deep in the earth's crust

Scientists' view: No it's not. it is formed from deep carbon deposits dating from the formation of the earth, not from living material.

Geologist's view: Scientists' view (or conclusion saying that Dominant view is wrong) is wrong. look at the presence in petroleum of biomarkers, it's a living organism.

Here, I thought Geologist's argument is flawed since it's saying that Scientists' conclusion is wrong based on their false evidence. So I thought "Ok. Scientists' argument sucks and it failed to demonstrated their own view, but still there is a chance their conclusion (Dominant View is wrong) is right."

In this case, D is pointing out that dominant view can be wrong since it also has this living organism stuff. (not from the fossilized remains of plants and animals, but from bacteria)

Is this too much a stretch...?

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Thursday, Oct 20 2016

@ Thanks for your comment! yes, my average score was 168-169. A several times I hit 170+. BR avrg was 170~172. That's why I feel super gray... and I want to know what I did wrong but since Asia test is a non-disclosed one, so I don't know how I did. :(

But I feel like when I am under pressure, my old habit comes out again since 162 was my last score from 2013. So I'm hesitant to retake on Dec... plus, bit worried about getting burned-out though it would be great to apply this year.

Thank you again for your advice :)

Hi all. My score came with 6~7 points lower than my usual range. (162)

Even, it was the same score I got from my 2nd take which was 3 years ago. :(

I don't know what to do or what went wrong and had a whole day feeling super gray.

I think I will try to overshoot for just one or two schools.

But would there be disadvantages for me to apply in later cycle? say, 2018? cause I think I will study for one more time, but I don't want to rush since that would be my 4th time. geez. So I am planning to get a job since I am about to graduate my grad school and then try to retake it next June.

Maybe I am overconfident but I believe I still have a hope for myself.

What would you do if you were in my shoes?

Thank you in advance. I seriously hope someday I will post on 7sage thanking all the 7sagers

for making me finally have my 170+ ! :D

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Tuesday, Sep 20 2016

Hello!

I thought E was irrelevant with the argument since E was talking about clients behaviour and our argument was about whether the disclaimer offers legal protection for the company.

In case of A,

let's say for example, if there is a law saying that all tax preparation company should automatically add the disclaimer saying that the email should not be construed as advocating any violation, the company should add the disclaimer anyway for legal protection of other kind.

However our argument is saying that if the e-mail elsewhere suggests that the client do something illegal, then the disclaimer offers no legal protection -> So the disclaimer serves no purpose. So A is supporting the argument by saying that if that is not the case, the company doesn't need legal protection.

Even if company's clients knew how to illegally evade penalties and would try to do so, if company is out of that, it won't be their problem depending on the argument, I guess.

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Tuesday, Sep 20 2016

I also chose B, and here is what I thought.

The argument's conclusion is saying "that should be set as a uniform national speed limit for level, straight stretches of all such roadways."

So, I think the argument narrowed down the scope.

The answer choice B says "should apply uniformly across the nation" and I thought this was too much for our argument since our argument only talked about "such roadways".

So other roadways which have different actual average are not in the right scope, I think. As you mentioned, what if some of them is not on level, or not straight, or have different actual avrg speed? or maybe not even a high-speed roadways..?

Since the question is PSA type, if we have E in our premise,

the argument would go like

p1: raising speed limits to reflect the actual average speeds...reduces the accident rate.

p2: Any measure that reduces the rate of traffic accidents should be implemented.

p3: Since the actual average speed for... 120km/hr(75 miles/hr),

con: that should be set as a uniform national spped limit for level, straight stretches of all such roadways.

which would be valid.

Hope this helps!

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Monday, Sep 19 2016

This is what I thought when I did this question.

"Hormones produce growth in connective tissues rather than in muscle mass;this does not improve muscle strength"

With this part, when we negate the answer choice A, the argument can still stand.

It can still say, "Yeah, increase in the muscle mass does not produce the effect but growth in connective issue ALSO does not produce the effect. So athletes who need to improve muscle strength should not use the engineered food."

However, with the answer choice C, if there IS other advantage, then why not use the engineered food? Even if it doesn't produce improved muscle strength, it can still be useful for something else. So "should not use the engineered food" is too much to conclude.

Hope this can help!

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Monday, Sep 19 2016

Normally, I do it right away with the hardest one (imo) then if I got them all correct, I do them later to be sure. If I get them all correct the second time then it's ok i guess and it I don't, then watch explanation and do them again.

With the ones that I think I made a mistake - read the question wrong or sth like that - I make a note and do them later.

I think for the ones which gave you difficulties, I think you should do them later again to check if you got them in your heart.

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r789
Monday, Sep 19 2016

Finally this weekend I can drink again! lol Good luck! Everything will be just fine. :)

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Tuesday, Oct 18 2016

fingers crossed. Wish i had more fingers to cross lol

Everything will be just great!

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Monday, Oct 17 2016

It's like a worst-kind of Santa

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Monday, Oct 17 2016

Today?!?!?! seriously, this is not good for my heart lol

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Saturday, Sep 17 2016

It's so inspirational to see this kind of post not so long before the big day (now it's a week away!) :D Big congrats to you!

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Saturday, Sep 17 2016

I think yes for the box with a no slash, since A->/B and A(-)/B both mean that if there is A, B can't be there. But in case of A(-)/B, if B is not there, A should be there, and if A is not there, B should be there so either one of them should be there. So A or B should be in, but both can't be in.

But in case of A->/B, if B is not there, it's a necessary condition, so nothing happens, it means it's ok for both A and B are out, I guess.

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Friday, Sep 16 2016

For me it depends, but usually I think for 'X must be here' rule, I draw it since it's more easy to spot on and doesn't take much time. For 'X cannot be here', it the remaining variables are two or three, I think I prefer to draw them.

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Thursday, Sep 15 2016

I think in the 2nd prgh, the author argues that the complaint which stems from the belief that custom-made illustrations often misrepresent the facts is mistaken since for custom-made illustrations to be admissible as evidence, it is required to have a testimony on their accuracy by a medical expert. (line 25-29 conditional) So, guess it can be inferred that the author accepts of the accuracy of such testimony as C describes.

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Saturday, Oct 15 2016

Ah.. the suspense is killing me!

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Tuesday, Sep 13 2016

I was also having a hard time between D and E.

And now I can see why D is the answer.

The argument is basically saying that contemporary artists can not make many people to feel MORE aesthetically fulfilled since the works already there are capable of any taste imaginable.

well, 'capable of' doesn't necessarily mean that they 'are'. So there is still a chance that people might feel more aesthetically fulfilled with the contemporary artworks. And this is what D is saying.

In case of E, since the argument is talking about feeling 'more' fulfilled, the amount of aesthetic fulfillment derivable from any contemporary artwork doesn't matter. It can be 2, 20, 200.

People just can't feel it. And I think the argument is trying to justify this by saying that there are already so many great artworks. So 'without providing justification' part would be doubtful, too.

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Monday, Sep 12 2016

r789

LR Cheat Sheet by Q type

Trying to clear up my mind before the big day :)

1. Conclusion (most accurately expresses the conclusion)

- Usual structure: contextual + HOWEVER, point + supporting premises

- In this case, it helps to paraphrase the sentence following 'however' (turning point)

ex) Some farmers reported that pesticide A was not effective to kill B. However, they are mistaken. The method they used to measure the effectiveness was completely wrong blah blah

- Answer: Some farmers are mistaken with the effectiveness of the pesticide A.

2. MBT

- It has to be TRUE. so, when the answer choices contain a somewhat extreme word such as 'All', 'any', 'never', 'impossible'

it's helpful to check them. They might be too broad or too specific or too dramatic.

- Sometimes you just need to diagram with all the conditionals and find the one matches with that conditionals. In this case, valid arguments courses are just great. Focus on the relationship with 'All','any','Every' and 'most', 'some', 'few'.

- And mind the direction of the conditional arrows! Sometimes answers with reversed arrows seem so tempting.

3. MBF

- It has to be FALSE. so usually I think this type of question has quite complex conditionals and the answer is just lying in somewhere between these complex arrows. Usually I think the wrong answers have either different scope or reversed directions. So in this case, we don't know if this will be true or not.(CBT/CBF).

- But the right answer(MBF) will negate one of the arrows outright.

ex) All the farmers in the western village have both cows and cats.

- Answer: Jake, a farmer in the western village, doesn't have cows. (something like that...)

4. FLAW

- There are too many flaw questions. (duh...)

- The answer choices describe what the argument did (something wrong)/didn't (do something he/she supposed to do to make a valid argument)

- It really helps if we can see the flaw before we move on to the answer choices.

- I think "Correlations->Causation" and "Sufficient->Necessary(or the other way around)" are the two popular types.

- And I also saw many "source attack", "pretending it is the only way and there is no other way", "I only see what I want to see(only mentions about the benefits or negatives", "unrepresentative sample", "It's either A or /A (no middle ground)", "from capability or probability to definiteness (she is capable of doing it so she will do it)" etc.

- When the answer choices describe something in categorical terms with lots of referential talks, it is always helpful to match each phrases with the ones in the argument.

Not sure if this would be helpful but...

I guess so far this is what I've learned and felt. It would be great if you guys can share some more! :)

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r789
Monday, Sep 12 2016

@ @ Thank you guys! I will see how it goes this week then decide! :)

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Monday, Sep 12 2016

Ah, exactly same thing happened to me 2 days ago and it really got me scared. I was in the similar ranges with the older PTs and when I met 70s, I felt totally lost.

It definitely took me by surprise, especially as you said, so close to the game day but I am trying to do what @ mentioned above. Just keep calm and look through the problems and figure out the weak spots. For me, LR was quite confusing. Still, I have some days left so it's not over yet! I think my mindset was also a factor since I get more nervous when I do PT nowadays thinking 'If I don't do well on this one, I won't survive' or something like that...

I am positive that as soon as we get familiar with the 70s and don't think them as something totally new and unexpected, we will get back to our feet!

As I remember, 3 years ago when I was taking the 2013 October LSAT, everyone was panicking for 60s saying it seemed totally new.

We still have some time, let's face the problem then we can decide I think! :)

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Sunday, Sep 11 2016

I think the answer choice (C) is quite similar with the answer choice (A) in the PT50-4-23. (melatonin tablets and their inducement of sleep, and treating insomnia) When they are only saying comparatively such as 'it is more likely to A than /A' or 'A has weaker or stronger relationship to B than /A', it is better to think about the extreme case -what if A has a 99% of relationship while B has 98% relationship?

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Sunday, Sep 11 2016

@ Thank you so much for your advice!

Do you think 4th take would be something decisively negative despite the fact that two of them were 3 years ago?

This December would be my last chance - practically - and I think it would give me much more stress since I will have to make it at one shot...

Also I am bit afraid that this feeling might come again before December LSAT.

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Sunday, Sep 11 2016

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suddenly having cold feet

Hi guys, I am taking this Sep LSAT and it's so soon now!

I studied LSAT 3 years ago, took 2013 October(157) and December LSAT(162) and I felt I was at the rock bottom.

Didn't have the courage to take another one so I stopped.

After that I went to a grad school, did some internship, time has passed, thought I should give myself another chance.

I studied from January trying to get back to the shape and it has been quite pleasant.

From march to June I couldn't study much due to the school works and from July I have been studying full-time.

On average I got 168-170 on my PTs, even had a feeling I finally got LR. (avrg. -2/section)

But with the pt 70 and 76, I felt quite awful, suddenly it all seemed so above my reach.

With less than two weeks, I am just trying to do drilling by section, trying not to choke on it.

Is this burn-out or am I just not ready for it?

Any advice?

Thank you in advance and wish all the good luck for those who are taking this September one!

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Sunday, Sep 11 2016

I really couldn't see what's going on here, C seems right but I couldn't tell for sure and it made me freak out. What I understood is that in the psg, there is a gap. In the premise, it was talking about percentage of 'respondents' then in the conclusion, it was suddenly talking about the percentage of 'a legislature'. 40% of respondents -> Conservative, 20% of respondents -> Moderate, 40% of respondents -> Liberal, this would be the preferences of a group.

It doesn't mean that most citizen, or any citizen, would want to see a legislature composed like that... so it doesn't have to be the preference of most citizen(individual members of the group).

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Saturday, Oct 08 2016

Thank you guys! I purchased the course, now time to roll :)

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Tuesday, Sep 06 2016

r789

Do I need a new LoR?

Hello! I studied LSAT 3 years ago, then I thought it was premature, so I went to a grad school.

I took 2013,December LSAT and at the time I received two LoRs from my undergrad professors, didn't apply. They are still in my LSAC account.

Now I am taking September LSAT. Do I need a new LoR to apply for 2017 or can I just use those ones I already have?

Thank you guys in advance!

Good luck for everyone!

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Wednesday, Oct 05 2016

r789

Admission courses

Hello!

Can't believe it has been more than a week...

guess now it's time to move on to ps and etc. (while trying to stop freaking out about the gray day)

Since 7sage LSAT course was super duper helpful, I am thinking of taking the admission course as well.

Is there anyone who tried 7sage admission courses?

It would be greatly appreciated if I can get some information or reviews. :)

Thank you in advance!

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