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Tuesday, Jul 29 2025

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1 more month? Low170 plateau

Hey all,

I've been consistently scoring in the low 170s for the past several months, but can't break the mid-high 170s barrier. I signed up for the August and September test but am hesitant to go through with August.

For those who have reached the high 170s, what what your experience with breaking past the low17s? Is one more month enough time to break that plateau, or should I anticipate taking the test in October? I really don't want to take the official test again without consistently scoring in my goal range.

Thanks!

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Friday, Jun 27 2025

Mix and match the unused sections to form a full PT.

I've found it helpful to retake used exams, especially when it's been 3+ months since I've done them. It was helpful to cement proper thinking on questions I had gotten wrong in the past and can be helpful to if I still get the same question wrong (a sign I didn't properly review).

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Friday, Jun 27 2025

General advice without knowing more information:

Do you get almost every single question wrong on the passage just when it's in a timed section? Untimed? Stand alone passage? You mention timing to be an issue, so it'd be helpful to know if you still have trouble with it if you eliminate that aspect.

Psychologically you have to treat the 5-star passage the same as a 1-star passage: apply the same skills, don't stress just because you know or think that it is more difficult.

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Tuesday, Mar 11 2025

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AC Explanation Please Help - PT119.1.14

Hey all, I'm struggling to understand why AC A in PT 119, Section 1, Question 14, is incorrect. I've reviewed the video explanation, online forums, and comments, but the best explanation I could come up with is below. Help on understanding this would be much appreciated - I've thought through this for several days but am still confused. I've never been this stumped after reviewing a wrong RC answer.

Q14: I understand why AC C is correct but am still struggling to eliminate A, especially since A seemed supported by lines 37-40 "personal and cultural screens of silence and secretiveness that have enshrouded her past". Here are a few things that I believe discredit A as a viable answer choice:

  • There is a distinction between heritage and history.
  • Although this might be a subtle distinction, in this context "history" means a a factual record of historical facts, where Naomi "reconciles" history - in other words uncovers or accepts difficult truths about her personal history and the historical context in which she lived.

    Heritage, as JY alludes to, refers to cultural or ancestral legacy, including cultural traditions.

    In this case, being discouraged from exploring heritage is not supported(?). I would still argue that if AC A references history (not heritage) it might be supported by lines 37-40. Even with the distinction between history and heritage, I'm not fully convinced that A is not supported. These in-text lines refer to cultural secretiveness. Does this mean that Naomi was discouraged from seeking her heritage? Secretiveness of the past does seem to refer to a form of discouragement.

  • AC A is from Naomi's POV whereas AC C is from Kogawa's.
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    Tuesday, Mar 11 2025

    Q14: I understand why AC C is correct but am still struggling to eliminate A, especially since A seemed supported by lines 37-40 "personal and cultural screens of silence and secretiveness that have enshrouded her past". Here are a few things that I believe discredit A as a viable answer choice:

    1) There is a distinction between heritage and history.

    Although this might be a subtle distinction, in this context "history" means a a factual record of historical facts, where Naomi "reconciles" history - in other words uncovers or accepts difficult truths about her personal history and the historical context in which she lived.

    Heritage, as JY alludes to, refers to cultural or ancestral legacy, including cultural traditions.

    In this case, being discouraged from exploring heritage is not supported(?). I would still argue that if AC A references history (not heritage) it might be supported by lines 37-40. Even with the distinction between history and heritage, I'm not fully convinced that A is not supported. These in-text lines refer to cultural secretiveness. Does this mean that Naomi was discouraged from seeking her heritage? Secretiveness of the past does seem to refer to a form of discouragement.

    2) AC A is from Naomi's POV whereas AC C is from Kogawa's.

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    Saturday, Mar 08 2025

    How can we assume that D is referring to a negative effect/change? A previous question in a different PT (can't remember which one) said that "effect" could be interpreted as a positive or negative thing and should not be assumed to be the one that would best fit the argument. In this case, a negative effect fits the argument. But it could easily be a positive effect - in which case the argument is not weakened since a positive change wouldn't be a worrisome change.

    #help

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    Thursday, Mar 06 2025

    The interface is mostly similar to 7Sage, but the flag is in a different spot and the buttons are slightly different. Like 7Sage's feature, you are able to hide the timer during the official test. Highly recommend taking a PT on LawHub to get used to the actual feel of the interface; you can import the test data to 7Sage afterwards to still take advantage of analytics.

    You can sip coffee during the remote exam, but it has to be in a 20 oz or smaller clear water bottle. However, you can eat only during the 10 minute break unless you have been approved for a specific type of accommodation to eat during the exam.

    You're allowed to leave the view of the camera during the 10 minute break, which means you can go into another room, eat, etc. Your phone is supposed to stay off and within the view of your camera, so you can't use your phone even during breaks. When the 10 minute break is over, you'll have to do another room check with your proctor.

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    Saturday, Feb 22 2025

    I agree with your instinct to hold off on taking the April LSAT if your current PT scores aren't in your target range. The deadline to cancel with a full refund for April is still available, although only a few days away.

    The June LSAT registration deadline is still two months away, so you have time to continue studying and to see if your PT average aligns with your goal score. You can decide between the June and August dates based on your practice test results as the registration deadline gets closer.

    Although it's generally advised to apply as early as possible in the cycle, October is still considered "on time". You could potentially submit your apps with your June, August or Sept scores and retake the test in October if necessary while you apps are "on hold".

    The key is be flexible with the LSAT scheduling based on how your PT scores progress.

    Also, 161 is a great diagnostic! Good luck on your LSAT journey!

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    Thursday, Feb 20 2025

    Like others have said, retaking sounds like it'd be in your best interest. If scholarships $ is a consideration, scoring even just a few points higher will put you in a better position for those offers.

    Good luck on the rest of your LSAT journey!

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    Thursday, Feb 20 2025

    I will preface this by saying that you should grow comfortable with all question types - knowing what they're asking and how to solve them - and advice on your question will vary depending on where you're at in your LSAT journey and your overall goals.

    If your goal is to reach the 170s, you will absolutely need to be comfortable with these questions. However, it will take time and integration to reach this point.

    Knowing your weak and strong areas is important, and strategy should be used during timed sections / PTs. Make sure to drill your weak areas outside of timed sections and PTs. In fact, I advise you to work on parallel and analogy questions UNTIMED until your accuracy increases. PTs are useful for gauging weak areas, but improvement (if you don't quite understand a question type or are extremely below target time when solving) needs to occur outside of PTs and timed sections.

    If you integrate drills with PTs for timing practice and gauging other weak areas, it can be a good strategy - just be mindful of how you're using the strategy and make sure it's helping you in the long run. If you're skipping them just to get an extra point here and there, it will catch up to you on test day.

    Edited for clarity.

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    Wednesday, Feb 12 2025

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    RC similar to current test?

    Hey all, I've heard various things about RC becoming increasingly difficult over recent tests and wondered if anyone who has recently taken an official test can attest to this? Do the 156+ (previously 90s) tests or the 148-155 (previously the 80s) mirror the current test?

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    Wednesday, Feb 12 2025

    I agree with the above comment. If you're PTing in the 140s, it's a sign that there are fundamentals that you need to improvement upon.

    Here are some recommendations:

    focus on UNTIMED drilling of easier to medium rated questions

    -shift to timed drilling only when untimed accuracy has significantly improved

    -hold off on PTs until your accuracy improves, both timed and untimed

    -review CC & understand what each question type is asking of you, how to do conditional logic, practice identifying parts of an argument, etc.

    With only 1 month of studying, 140s is a totally reasonable score. It takes time to improve, so don't get discouraged.

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    Tuesday, Feb 11 2025

    Conclusion indicators can be useful, but (as a warning) they can also be used to trap you with a wrong AC, particularly on more difficult MC questions. It's important to practice understanding arguments, especially since finding the conclusion in arguments applies to a large portion of LSAT questions.

    Like the above commenter said, understanding the parts of the argument should be your main focus. Ask yourself which parts of the argument are supporting which other part(s). Premise indicator words can clue you into this (since, because, etc).

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    Tuesday, Feb 11 2025

    Focus on foundations and accuracy untimed. Move to timed drilling once your accuracy increases. It's difficult to give more specific advice without knowing your current study habits.

    Have you considered canceling your April LSAT registration? There's still time left to cancel with full refund.

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    Tuesday, Feb 11 2025

    I don't recommend canceling. 3 points is well within standard score variance.

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    Monday, Feb 03 2025

    Yes! Blind review allows you to review questions without time constraints of the test. When you flag questions to review during the test, BR is the time to check your answers without knowing the correct answers yet. It can also help you gauge whether time was a main factor in getting an answer choice wrong or if there's a gap in your knowledge (ex: if it's wrong even after time review, there's likely a gap in your knowledge).

    This is helpful for a diagnostic as it is for other PTs and is something that can be used to measure progress throughout your LSAT journey.

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    Sunday, Feb 02 2025

    The above comment addressed this well. I'll add that going through all practice sets in the core curriculum might not be necessary for you. There are a ton of practice sets which become time consuming, especially if you're drilling in addition to them. Don't be afraid to take PTs without finishing all sets as long as you've covered the main foundation lessons.

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    Sunday, Feb 02 2025

    It is possible that the experimental sections you've taken happen to be easier in the sense that they contain less four or five-star questions. The analytics page is helpful for determining whether the overall section is considered medium difficult, super difficult, etc. Go to Practice -> Analytics -> scroll halfway down to the "test section" area (after the graph). This breaks down overall sections into difficulty ratings.

    It's also possible that the experimental section doesn't contain as many questions that are weak areas for you. Example: Maybe your weakness is in flaw and inference questions, but the experimental section happens to lack those question types.

    However, imo it isn't super helpful to focus on how your experimental section raw score differs from the scored section raw score. Review what you're getting wrong and maybe look for a pattern in question types to target weakness (as mentioned before, if the scored section has a lot of flaw questions missed but experimental has only one flaw question included in it).

    In other words, review and learn - don't over focus on numbers.

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    Tuesday, Jan 21 2025

    Yes but recommended that you hone in on this weakness (accuracy and speed) for parallel questions.

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    Sunday, Jan 19 2025

    *since everything's function is judged relative to this second argument.

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    Sunday, Jan 19 2025

    The above comment is a few months old, but figured I'd post if it can still help you or someone else out. Two arguments are made here: one is the OPA "other person's" that appears first, and the other is the second one that follows up on the claims made by the OPA. It is this second argument that is referred to as "argument" in the ACs. This can generally be followed for similar questions of this type.

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    Hi everyone,

    Is there an explanation for why the scaled score varies by 1-2 points from the current test format to the obsolete test format, same raw score? This is reflected in the conversion table on 7sage. For example, -5 is a 174 for X modern PT, but 173 for the corresponding obsolete (but modified - LR, LR, RC, no experimental) PT. Presumably, since the same scored sections are tested (given 7Sage modification), the scaled score should be the same, unless I'm misunderstanding something.

    I made the mistake of taking a test on LawHub under the current test format and manually inputting the answers in the corresponding obsolete (but modified, no LG) 7Sage test. Two different scaled scores were given, 1 point off. I double checked - exact same scored sections. Is this just a matter of adjusting the scaled scores with removal of LG?

    And I assume that I should rely on the current test format's scaled score, correct?

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    Thursday, Jan 16 2025

    Like many of the comments said, a mixture of overthinking and luck. Even when you get 4's and 5's right, review ANY part of the question that you feel unsure about. It's completely possible that you lucked out (especially if you were 50-50 between ACs). It may be that there's a weakness in your understanding that is highlighted by easier but not harder questions.

    It's also possible that you're used to the difficulty of the harder questions and overthink little things on 3's. Make sure you're consistently applying the same standard across all ACs for 3's (ex: being too lenient on possible assumptions on the (unknowingly) wrong AC and being too harsh on the (unknowingly) right AC.

    Good luck!

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    Thursday, Jan 16 2025

    I agree with the above comment - if you have enough PTs, take one to see where you're at. Also, it's important to reflect on your previous study habits. Ask yourself what worked well prior to June testing. What didn't? Build in a solid routine based on your prior experience.

    Don't be hesitant to review parts of the CC to address your weaknesses as well.

    Good luck!

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    Thursday, Jan 16 2025

    Do you know how your time fans out across questions in a section? Look at the time analytics of questions and try to narrow down the amount of time you spend on the (generally) easier questions (1-15 ish) while maintaining accuracy. This will allow for more time on the more difficult questions which (if I had to guess) you're rushing through at the end due to time constraints. Rushing and stress will cause you to miss out on the little details that are so important to distinguish the ACs for difficult questions.

    For consistency, you mentioned that you had other commitments that impacted your PT abilities. Lack of consistency (I get it, life happens) can significantly impact the progress you make.

    I also want to caution against burnout. I and many others in this community can vouch for the "burnout-based" plateau. Sometimes you don't even realize it, so take a step back and take breaks. It might seem counterintuitive, but taking ~1 week off can be monumental for score gains.

    When do you plan to take the test? If it's not till April or later, stick to PTing every other week until you're a 1 month to 1.5 months out.

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