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Tuesday, Jul 29

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1 more month? Low170 plateau

Hey all,

I've been consistently scoring in the low 170s for the past several months, but can't break the mid-high 170s barrier. I signed up for the August and September test but am hesitant to go through with August.

For those who have reached the high 170s, what what your experience with breaking past the low17s? Is one more month enough time to break that plateau, or should I anticipate taking the test in October? I really don't want to take the official test again without consistently scoring in my goal range.

Thanks!

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Friday, Jun 27

Mix and match the unused sections to form a full PT.

I've found it helpful to retake used exams, especially when it's been 3+ months since I've done them. It was helpful to cement proper thinking on questions I had gotten wrong in the past and can be helpful to if I still get the same question wrong (a sign I didn't properly review).

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Friday, Jun 27

General advice without knowing more information:

Do you get almost every single question wrong on the passage just when it's in a timed section? Untimed? Stand alone passage? You mention timing to be an issue, so it'd be helpful to know if you still have trouble with it if you eliminate that aspect.

Psychologically you have to treat the 5-star passage the same as a 1-star passage: apply the same skills, don't stress just because you know or think that it is more difficult.

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Hi everyone, I've studied for the LSAT for a while now, with the following fresh PTs remaining: a few in the 90s, two in the 80s, and one in the 70s. I plan to take the November LSAT and want to have a few remaining for the January if needed. Should I save one or two 90s for January and use the 70s and 80s now? Or is it better to remain accustomed to the most recent PTs (90s) before November?

Any suggestions appreciated!

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Thursday, Oct 24 2024

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Earlier PTs easier?

Hi everyone, I've recently drilled timed sections from the earlier PTs (1-15) and have seen my LR section score improve from about -4/-5 (later PTs) to -2/-3 (earlier PTs) and my RC score improve from -4 (later PTs) to -2 (earlier PTs) in the past two weeks. I've also noticed that I'm able to breeze through the questions faster with time to spare and more confidence at the end of the section. Is this most likely a reflection of an actual skill improvement, or are the earlier PTs easier? There seems to be varying information and opinions about the weight that should be given to earlier PTs.

It's also very likely that I am reading too much into the minor variance from the earlier PTs to current PTs, but I'm a bit nervous to see the results of a new, more recent PT.

Thank you in advance!

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Hi there,

I completed PTA RC, which doesn't have video or written explanations for the answers. Despite getting the answer correct, there was a major time sink on my end for the first question of the first passage. I want to reaffirm my thinking for the right / wrong ACs. Could anyone who has taken this PT confirm or revise my understanding?

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AC A: Clandestine marriages is not at all supported by Donahue's position, lines 46-48 state that "so long as they acted in accordance with established bann procedures, a couple could marry without parental consent and still enjoy the blessing of the Church." Bann compliance is not considered clandestine. I had no trouble finding support against this.

HOWEVER, I struggled with whether the first part of this AC (concerning synthesis) is descriptively accurate and broad enough to be the MP. Is it accurate to say that "the doctrine of marriage by Pope Alexander III represented a synthesis of traditional ecclesiastical dnd legal opinion"? Would this sentence be accurate and potentially good enough for a revised MP or am I misunderstanding the passage?

AC B: More support for this is provided by the passage; no issues. (Based on mutual consent is supported by paragraph 1. Encouraged marriages based on love is supported in paragraph 2.)

Any help understanding this passage and question is appreciated! Happy studying!

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Saturday, Feb 22

I agree with your instinct to hold off on taking the April LSAT if your current PT scores aren't in your target range. The deadline to cancel with a full refund for April is still available, although only a few days away.

The June LSAT registration deadline is still two months away, so you have time to continue studying and to see if your PT average aligns with your goal score. You can decide between the June and August dates based on your practice test results as the registration deadline gets closer.

Although it's generally advised to apply as early as possible in the cycle, October is still considered "on time". You could potentially submit your apps with your June, August or Sept scores and retake the test in October if necessary while you apps are "on hold".

The key is be flexible with the LSAT scheduling based on how your PT scores progress.

Also, 161 is a great diagnostic! Good luck on your LSAT journey!

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Thursday, Feb 20

Like others have said, retaking sounds like it'd be in your best interest. If scholarships $ is a consideration, scoring even just a few points higher will put you in a better position for those offers.

Good luck on the rest of your LSAT journey!

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Thursday, Feb 20

I will preface this by saying that you should grow comfortable with all question types - knowing what they're asking and how to solve them - and advice on your question will vary depending on where you're at in your LSAT journey and your overall goals.

If your goal is to reach the 170s, you will absolutely need to be comfortable with these questions. However, it will take time and integration to reach this point.

Knowing your weak and strong areas is important, and strategy should be used during timed sections / PTs. Make sure to drill your weak areas outside of timed sections and PTs. In fact, I advise you to work on parallel and analogy questions UNTIMED until your accuracy increases. PTs are useful for gauging weak areas, but improvement (if you don't quite understand a question type or are extremely below target time when solving) needs to occur outside of PTs and timed sections.

If you integrate drills with PTs for timing practice and gauging other weak areas, it can be a good strategy - just be mindful of how you're using the strategy and make sure it's helping you in the long run. If you're skipping them just to get an extra point here and there, it will catch up to you on test day.

Edited for clarity.

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Hi everyone,

Is there an explanation for why the scaled score varies by 1-2 points from the current test format to the obsolete test format, same raw score? This is reflected in the conversion table on 7sage. For example, -5 is a 174 for X modern PT, but 173 for the corresponding obsolete (but modified - LR, LR, RC, no experimental) PT. Presumably, since the same scored sections are tested (given 7Sage modification), the scaled score should be the same, unless I'm misunderstanding something.

I made the mistake of taking a test on LawHub under the current test format and manually inputting the answers in the corresponding obsolete (but modified, no LG) 7Sage test. Two different scaled scores were given, 1 point off. I double checked - exact same scored sections. Is this just a matter of adjusting the scaled scores with removal of LG?

And I assume that I should rely on the current test format's scaled score, correct?

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Thursday, Jan 16

Like many of the comments said, a mixture of overthinking and luck. Even when you get 4's and 5's right, review ANY part of the question that you feel unsure about. It's completely possible that you lucked out (especially if you were 50-50 between ACs). It may be that there's a weakness in your understanding that is highlighted by easier but not harder questions.

It's also possible that you're used to the difficulty of the harder questions and overthink little things on 3's. Make sure you're consistently applying the same standard across all ACs for 3's (ex: being too lenient on possible assumptions on the (unknowingly) wrong AC and being too harsh on the (unknowingly) right AC.

Good luck!

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Thursday, Jan 16

I agree with the above comment - if you have enough PTs, take one to see where you're at. Also, it's important to reflect on your previous study habits. Ask yourself what worked well prior to June testing. What didn't? Build in a solid routine based on your prior experience.

Don't be hesitant to review parts of the CC to address your weaknesses as well.

Good luck!

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Thursday, Jan 16

Do you know how your time fans out across questions in a section? Look at the time analytics of questions and try to narrow down the amount of time you spend on the (generally) easier questions (1-15 ish) while maintaining accuracy. This will allow for more time on the more difficult questions which (if I had to guess) you're rushing through at the end due to time constraints. Rushing and stress will cause you to miss out on the little details that are so important to distinguish the ACs for difficult questions.

For consistency, you mentioned that you had other commitments that impacted your PT abilities. Lack of consistency (I get it, life happens) can significantly impact the progress you make.

I also want to caution against burnout. I and many others in this community can vouch for the "burnout-based" plateau. Sometimes you don't even realize it, so take a step back and take breaks. It might seem counterintuitive, but taking ~1 week off can be monumental for score gains.

When do you plan to take the test? If it's not till April or later, stick to PTing every other week until you're a 1 month to 1.5 months out.

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Thursday, Jan 16

LR question types are so intertwined, so you absolutely need to be able to identify the main conclusion of an argument for virtually all LR q types. Even if you're able to skim by not understanding the main conclusion for other question types at easier difficultly levels, it's going to catch up to you for 3+ level difficulty of all q types.

Don't just look for the main conclusion - try to identify how all the parts of the argument work together (context, premises, conclusion).

What approaches have you used so far?

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Wednesday, Jan 15

I gave advice on a similar post that I'll drop here:

Short answer is that I (mostly) completed CC before drilling and PTing, but did not finish all CC practice sets.

My longer explanation is that there are A LOT of CC sets imo, and it takes time to get through them. I completed about half of the sets for each question type in the CC. If I felt confident in my approach / understanding (and if my scores reflected that) after sets 1-3, I would usually skip ahead to set 6+ to avoid redundancy and challenge myself. After that, I would move on to the next question type and repeat.

How many sets you do ultimately comes down to your skills and confidence with the questions. Plus, you can always come back to take "left over" ones after CC completion.

I didn't drill until after I completed CC because I wanted a good understanding of the depth and breadth of the exam before targeting weak areas.

Also, set a realistic study schedule that you're able to follow consistently. 1 hour of focused studying per day is better than 3 hours inconsistent on unfocused.

Lmk if you have any questions or if I can clarify anything. Good luck on your LSAT journey!

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Wednesday, Jan 15

Biggest difference I've noticed is the wording in the passage or question - nothing that will make or break your understanding. Don't worry too much, because the main fundamentals and skills are tested either way. I recommend saving modern tests a bit closer to when you're planning to take an official test.

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Wednesday, Jan 15

Great advice! It's not talked about enough in LSAT prep communities, but try to take breaks before you even reach the point of burnout. So easy to get caught up in the grind of LSAT and law school admissions. I recommend building in one day per week where you don't study or even think about the LSAT.

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Wednesday, Jan 15

Like a previous comment states, it's unlikely for a difficult numbers-based question to appear more than once or twice within a section (or even the entire test). If you know that this is a weakness, skip the question, focus on getting all the other's right, and return to it if you have time at the end.

You've already put in the work for the exam, don't let yourself get worried about one or two potential questions out of ~100.

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Wednesday, Jan 15

Customize the question difficulty for drills to 1- and 2-star questions only. This will allow you to practice and master the fundamentals of each question type before moving on to more difficult questions.

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Wednesday, Jan 15

Agree with the comment above. Also want to say that experimental questions are just as useful for studying and absolutely lessons you can take away from them.

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Wednesday, Feb 12

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RC similar to current test?

Hey all, I've heard various things about RC becoming increasingly difficult over recent tests and wondered if anyone who has recently taken an official test can attest to this? Do the 156+ (previously 90s) tests or the 148-155 (previously the 80s) mirror the current test?

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Wednesday, Feb 12

I agree with the above comment. If you're PTing in the 140s, it's a sign that there are fundamentals that you need to improvement upon.

Here are some recommendations:

focus on UNTIMED drilling of easier to medium rated questions

-shift to timed drilling only when untimed accuracy has significantly improved

-hold off on PTs until your accuracy improves, both timed and untimed

-review CC & understand what each question type is asking of you, how to do conditional logic, practice identifying parts of an argument, etc.

With only 1 month of studying, 140s is a totally reasonable score. It takes time to improve, so don't get discouraged.

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Hey all, I'm struggling to understand why AC A in PT 119, Section 1, Question 14, is incorrect. I've reviewed the video explanation, online forums, and comments, but the best explanation I could come up with is below. Help on understanding this would be much appreciated - I've thought through this for several days but am still confused. I've never been this stumped after reviewing a wrong RC answer.

Q14: I understand why AC C is correct but am still struggling to eliminate A, especially since A seemed supported by lines 37-40 "personal and cultural screens of silence and secretiveness that have enshrouded her past". Here are a few things that I believe discredit A as a viable answer choice:

  • There is a distinction between heritage and history.
  • Although this might be a subtle distinction, in this context "history" means a a factual record of historical facts, where Naomi "reconciles" history - in other words uncovers or accepts difficult truths about her personal history and the historical context in which she lived.

    Heritage, as JY alludes to, refers to cultural or ancestral legacy, including cultural traditions.

    In this case, being discouraged from exploring heritage is not supported(?). I would still argue that if AC A references history (not heritage) it might be supported by lines 37-40. Even with the distinction between history and heritage, I'm not fully convinced that A is not supported. These in-text lines refer to cultural secretiveness. Does this mean that Naomi was discouraged from seeking her heritage? Secretiveness of the past does seem to refer to a form of discouragement.

  • AC A is from Naomi's POV whereas AC C is from Kogawa's.
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    Tuesday, Mar 11

    Q14: I understand why AC C is correct but am still struggling to eliminate A, especially since A seemed supported by lines 37-40 "personal and cultural screens of silence and secretiveness that have enshrouded her past". Here are a few things that I believe discredit A as a viable answer choice:

    1) There is a distinction between heritage and history.

    Although this might be a subtle distinction, in this context "history" means a a factual record of historical facts, where Naomi "reconciles" history - in other words uncovers or accepts difficult truths about her personal history and the historical context in which she lived.

    Heritage, as JY alludes to, refers to cultural or ancestral legacy, including cultural traditions.

    In this case, being discouraged from exploring heritage is not supported(?). I would still argue that if AC A references history (not heritage) it might be supported by lines 37-40. Even with the distinction between history and heritage, I'm not fully convinced that A is not supported. These in-text lines refer to cultural secretiveness. Does this mean that Naomi was discouraged from seeking her heritage? Secretiveness of the past does seem to refer to a form of discouragement.

    2) AC A is from Naomi's POV whereas AC C is from Kogawa's.

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    Tuesday, Feb 11

    Conclusion indicators can be useful, but (as a warning) they can also be used to trap you with a wrong AC, particularly on more difficult MC questions. It's important to practice understanding arguments, especially since finding the conclusion in arguments applies to a large portion of LSAT questions.

    Like the above commenter said, understanding the parts of the argument should be your main focus. Ask yourself which parts of the argument are supporting which other part(s). Premise indicator words can clue you into this (since, because, etc).

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    Tuesday, Feb 11

    Focus on foundations and accuracy untimed. Move to timed drilling once your accuracy increases. It's difficult to give more specific advice without knowing your current study habits.

    Have you considered canceling your April LSAT registration? There's still time left to cancel with full refund.

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    Tuesday, Feb 11

    I don't recommend canceling. 3 points is well within standard score variance.

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    Sunday, Nov 10 2024

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    Tips on 5-star difficulty RC questions?

    For those who have consistently achieved anything from -0 to -3 on RC, do you have any tips on approaching the most difficult questions of a section/passage under time constraints? On questions, I'll set a certain amount of time (e.g. 45 seconds) per question. On extremely tricky questions where I debate between 2 answers, I'll flag the question and move on if I run out of time. Typically, I'll be hyper attentive and look for a specific word that might help me eliminate an answer choice, but this doesn't always work (shoutout PT45 S2 P2 Q10 ugh). I'm currently averaging anything from -5 to -10 (a large range ik).

    Is there anything specific you do while reading the passage that helps with the most difficult questions? Do you look back at the passage? Purely rely on memory and low-res? Does anything change in your approach when you're answering the last passage of a section, knowing that the questions will likely be more difficult?

    Advice appreciated! Thanks!

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    Saturday, Mar 08

    How can we assume that D is referring to a negative effect/change? A previous question in a different PT (can't remember which one) said that "effect" could be interpreted as a positive or negative thing and should not be assumed to be the one that would best fit the argument. In this case, a negative effect fits the argument. But it could easily be a positive effect - in which case the argument is not weakened since a positive change wouldn't be a worrisome change.

    #help

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    Friday, Nov 08 2024

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    Score Decrease - Advice needed

    I've experienced a RC score change from -3/-4 (August and September) to -9/-10 (October and November) in timed sections and PTs. My timing for passages have been off as I'm finding it harder to synthesize the information despite review. On passage that I've retaken from early in my study, I'm doing worse than before and getting more questions wrong. Has anyone else experienced something similar with their scores?

    Not much has changed in my study routine. I've studied very consistently since July but have placed less emphasis on RC this past month / month and a half. (On the plus, my LR is getting better.) Regardless, I find it strange that my score has gone this way. Have my RC skills really decreased this significantly? How can I get back to my better score average? Any advice?

    Thanks in advance. And happy studying!

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    Thursday, Mar 06

    The interface is mostly similar to 7Sage, but the flag is in a different spot and the buttons are slightly different. Like 7Sage's feature, you are able to hide the timer during the official test. Highly recommend taking a PT on LawHub to get used to the actual feel of the interface; you can import the test data to 7Sage afterwards to still take advantage of analytics.

    You can sip coffee during the remote exam, but it has to be in a 20 oz or smaller clear water bottle. However, you can eat only during the 10 minute break unless you have been approved for a specific type of accommodation to eat during the exam.

    You're allowed to leave the view of the camera during the 10 minute break, which means you can go into another room, eat, etc. Your phone is supposed to stay off and within the view of your camera, so you can't use your phone even during breaks. When the 10 minute break is over, you'll have to do another room check with your proctor.

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    Hi all,

    My PT score does not reflect my drill score. I consistently get -0 to -3 on individual LR timed sections (some of these are older tests, some are fairly new). On full PT LR sections, I get around -5/-6, regardless of the order of sections. There have been only a select few times I've gotten -3 or better on LR PTs, but those were a few months ago.

    BR score for LR is usually -1/-3, so I don't think it's a lack of comprehension or understanding of the material...

    Any tips on getting my PT score to better reflect my drilling score? I suspect it's a matter of PT stress, but are there any other major reasons you think there's a difference that I'm overlooking?

    Advice much appreciated, thanks!

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    Monday, Feb 03

    Yes! Blind review allows you to review questions without time constraints of the test. When you flag questions to review during the test, BR is the time to check your answers without knowing the correct answers yet. It can also help you gauge whether time was a main factor in getting an answer choice wrong or if there's a gap in your knowledge (ex: if it's wrong even after time review, there's likely a gap in your knowledge).

    This is helpful for a diagnostic as it is for other PTs and is something that can be used to measure progress throughout your LSAT journey.

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    Sunday, Feb 02

    The above comment addressed this well. I'll add that going through all practice sets in the core curriculum might not be necessary for you. There are a ton of practice sets which become time consuming, especially if you're drilling in addition to them. Don't be afraid to take PTs without finishing all sets as long as you've covered the main foundation lessons.

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    Sunday, Feb 02

    It is possible that the experimental sections you've taken happen to be easier in the sense that they contain less four or five-star questions. The analytics page is helpful for determining whether the overall section is considered medium difficult, super difficult, etc. Go to Practice -> Analytics -> scroll halfway down to the "test section" area (after the graph). This breaks down overall sections into difficulty ratings.

    It's also possible that the experimental section doesn't contain as many questions that are weak areas for you. Example: Maybe your weakness is in flaw and inference questions, but the experimental section happens to lack those question types.

    However, imo it isn't super helpful to focus on how your experimental section raw score differs from the scored section raw score. Review what you're getting wrong and maybe look for a pattern in question types to target weakness (as mentioned before, if the scored section has a lot of flaw questions missed but experimental has only one flaw question included in it).

    In other words, review and learn - don't over focus on numbers.

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