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visualcreed556
Tuesday, Jun 30 2015

@ I think thats a great idea. I did that on the last game on the June test. I don't know how much it helped me but it got me thinking and I attribute that strategy for helping me POSSIBLY getting a few right vs. just guessing on the whole game. I also found that it helped when I was doing PTs. If you're lucky you won't have to use it but its a good idea if you come across that one crazy game which is apparently coming out on most tests now.

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Monday, Apr 27 2015

visualcreed556

Where I'm at..

I jokingly started saying I was going to be a lawyer about a year ago. Towards the end of February I found out that our local law school was accepting applications for next fall until July 7th and would accept the June LSAT. So I made the decision I was going to try getting in this fall. I have no aspirations to go to Harvard or Yale or anything like that so I figured it shouldn't be too hard to get a decent score and get into the local school. So the first week of March I took a PT and scored a 153. This was inflated because the logic games should have been a 0 as I was completely lost. At the time I was scheduled to fly to Japan for a vacation and I brought along the LSAT Trainer which I heard good things about. I read a few chapters and I started to feel a bit more comfortable with the way the LSAT works. I still was pretty lost with the games so I started searching and of course thats how I found 7Sage. At first I was going to just use the free games reviews but I like to support helpful things so I decided to purchase the starter package since I only had a few months anyway I wouldn't get through the ultimate package. Fast forward to now about 7 weeks into my LSAT training and I've consistently been hitting the 160s with my highest being a 165 last night. Logic games have become my strength and reading comp my weakness the exact opposite of my diag. I really want to hit a 165 during the June test but a 160 would probably get me in.

As I browse these forums for inspiration I don't find many people posting their scores or their full stories so I wanted to hopefully give some people inspiration if you're just starting out or to find advice from those farther along.

My current study regime is a 3 day cycle, day one is a PT plus BR/review, day two and three I do one set of logic games, reading comprehension, and drill a LR type. I'm not saying this is the best way to go about it but it's been working for me. I work full time so I squeeze some practice during work and finish up after. I feel confident in most games so i just do them to maintain. The LR I could improve but like the reading comp it's all about mental toughness for me, I can't stop daydreaming in the middle of a passage. I recently started marking up passages as I read them sort of like how JY does it except mine are mostly nonsense scribbles but it has helped because I'm more focused in the passage although my markings hardly help at all.

Anyway hope this helps someone or at least gives insight to how someone is going about this whole crazy LSAT journey, right or wrong.

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visualcreed556
Thursday, Jun 18 2015

I'm pretty sure my proctor shorted us according to my watch but I didn't have too much of a problem finishing so I just left it alone.

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visualcreed556
Monday, Jun 15 2015

Time comes with practice. As long as you are accurate just keep practicing and the timing will come.

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visualcreed556
Monday, Jun 15 2015

Whats the difference? Is it louder? More distractions? Whatever it is I would just keep doing it there if thats where you are doing poorly. Just seems psychological but it could be a bunch of things.

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visualcreed556
Monday, Jun 15 2015

I sometimes skip over the parallel questions because they can take some time. I also skip a game if I can't get a grasp of it quickly. During the actual test I didn't skip any questions and just blazed through.

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visualcreed556
Saturday, Jun 13 2015

I agree with whats been said, 7Sage is "THE" place to learn logic games. Not necessarily the methods but the videos and explanations are what push it over the top.

I do LG a bit differently, I'm not sure how I did on the actual test this past week but during the PT's I normally would get a few wrong if any. Two things I want to point out is, don't get stuck on the semantics of diagramming. Definitely diagram but do it so that you know what you're doing. Pick a way to diagram something and do it over and over and over so that you know what your diagrams mean without having to think about it.

Second, do 7Sage's fool proof method at first..however, make sure you don't get reliant on it. As mentioned in the June LSAT threads there was a game that was weird..the same as in a bunch of newer tests..just weird games that you're not prepared for. You don't get to go back and do the fool proof method on your actual test. Yes, figure out and memorize inferences where you can but don't rely only on what you've memorized. I think being able to stay calm and know how to make your own inferences and diagram your own way will help you if you end up with a crazy game.

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jun 10 2015

Honestly, I don't know if the June LSAT LG section was hard or not. I got through it but I'm not sure I aced it. The difference from me and what other people have been posting is what @ said..don't panic. I was calm the whole time. Got to a section and was utterly lost, however, I just pushed through and took my time (well relative, didn't rush it). I think that's the only thing you can do. Since most games are the same, practicing helps you get through those really quick and then you can take your time with the crazy ones.

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jun 10 2015

@ its cooler duh.. there are pencils and even more so sharpeners that are higher quality which means less of a chance of a tip breaking or the sharpener not working or something like that. 99% of the time it doesn't matter but its one less thing to worry about if you use something that people have had general good experiences with.

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jun 10 2015

Maybe they release it tomorrow?? (wouldn't that be nice..or better yet give us a computer that automatically gives us our scores?)

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Wednesday, Jun 10 2015

visualcreed556

Some positivity for the June Waiters

Everyone seems pretty negative about the June LSAT so I figure I'll bring some positivity as we wait. To be honest I have no idea how I did but I don't feel like I bombed it, then again I'm not looking at a 170-180 so I have more leeway in terms of "bombing".

I went in feeling a little pressure but not much since even if I can't get in to school I already have a job lined up and a pretty good software engineer career to fall back on. I studied for a few months and my PT's ranged from 152 (initial) to 169 (PT 69, before the damn 70's..). I figure I have a good chance of at least getting a high 150 which is fine to get in where I want to go. Of course you're thinking thats super low and yes it is but I have to say I wasn't stressed during the test. I finished every section except the games section before the 5 minute warning. The games I finished a few minutes early. I don't think I got everything correct but I didn't just guess so I feel like my timing definitely was good, I might have thought the wrong things or made bad inferences but I definitely felt like if I had practiced a bit more I had more than enough time to do it right. So thats a win.

I'd also like to thank the kid who kept muttering "The tension in the air" before the test. That made me bust out laughing and I couldn't stop thinking about it during the test which just put me at ease. The proctors kept looking at me because I was smiling and silently chuckling to myself the whole test, especially when I noticed someone frustrated. No matter how bad I did I feel like I handled the pressure well so thats another win.

Anyway, as I await the score I can't help but to feel good about how well I did yesterday, regardless of score.

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jun 10 2015

I think the majority of desks are small, you could barely fit one side of the test booklet on the damn desk.

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visualcreed556
Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

I second the Palomino Long Point sharpener. I have it, didn't need to use it though.

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visualcreed556
Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

I'm going to probably start laughing hysterically to keep from crying when I open that email.

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visualcreed556
Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

I didn't even think of cancelling, I don't see the point. Law schools see it and even if they might not say they took it into consideration really if it were me in the back of mind I'm thinking why did they cancel, obviously they didn't do well so either way they know you didn't do well. I'm probably wrong but that's my take. I'd be surprised if I broke 160 this test but I can't not know my score that would kill me.

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visualcreed556
Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

I had the same setup, I have no idea which was the experimental but I hear it was the last one (first after the break).

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visualcreed556
Tuesday, Jun 09 2015

I used two pencils the whole test and didn't sharpen once. I only switched for the essay to attempt to write legibly. The girl next to me was sharpening furiously the whole test..

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Thursday, Jul 09 2015

visualcreed556

Starting in August

I just wanted to share a short version of my story. I decided I wanted to go to law school this past March. I picked up the LSAT Trainer and studied when I could. I work full-time and had other commitments so I didn't get to study as much as I should have or wanted to.

My goal was always a 160. I wanted to go to the local law school and a 160 was pretty much guaranteed to get in. I found 7Sage and my desire to get a higher score became greater. Fast-forward I got a 161 on the June LSAT with great help from 7Sage, logic games saved me as I went perfect. To be honest, I wasn't ready for the test. I was in the middle of a military exercise that required 16 hour days so I wasn't feeling good during test day already. I didn't study enough nor put the commitment I should have. I really want to retake it.

But on the other hand I got accepted into the school I wanted to go to and I'm starting next month. I just want to put out, anything you want is possible. If I can not even have the slightest though of law school in Feb of this year and starting law school in August..anything is possible. You've found a great resource in 7Sage. Just set your goals and go for it.

So thanks 7Sage, JY, and the community.

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visualcreed556
Thursday, Jul 09 2015

I'm not the only one! I had the worst headache during my June LSAT. I'm not using it as an excuse but I'm sure it affected my performance a bit.

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jul 08 2015

One guy kept saying "the tension in the air.." to himself over and over. He was nervous and his highest PT scores were 150.. I wonder if he had a bad day?

So I started August 24th, before that we had an orientation which for us was basically giving us assignments to get done before the first day of class..yes there's homework before you even begin class.

People hear about the socratic method and the case method and they are the predominate method of teaching. I can't say for all schools but from what I've read and what I've experienced, this is true. I'm almost sure you are all better readers than me and thats good because you just read and read some more, then when you're done you read some more.

So what happens, at least for me, is I get assigned cases or a set of pages to read in the casebook. Some are easy, some are ridiculous, a good rule is if its older it'll probably take longer since the language is confusing. If you want to look good in class then you should have a law dictionary (Black's or another) next to you, the law databases that your school gives you (WestLaw or LexisNexis or Bloomberg or whatever) and the most important..Google. If something doesn't make sense, Google the shit out of it. If you want to look really good, then Google about the time period, the judge who was giving the opinion etc.. Of course, looking good in class doesn't really matter if you bomb the exam so I think you should just find a good balance.

I have the attitude where I don't care about looking good in class but I do want to learn so I do some extra research but its for my own benefit.

A lot of people say learn the black letter law. This is true, if you can memorize rules and laws, great but especially when you start, the casebook kinds of builds upon itself. For example you figure out the law that the case is using or just made and then the next case they just totally change it. Law school is basically self taught, class seems like its just to make you cry but really it's helping you to see the bigger picture and see how a case can be applied in tons of ways, it's best to digest and see that instead of seeing your professor trying to make you look stupid.

I think the most important thing I learned so far is that if you want to do good, you have to learn your professors. Thats number one. Talking to students who have had the specific professor is crucial. They know how the professor grades and their style. If you take nothing else from this, take that.

Also, don't be scared, who care's if you look dumb for a bit, everyone does. Last thing, law school won't teach you every law that there is..we have a common law system which just makes everything crazy. Just learn how to be a problem solver, learn how to take a problem and be able to find that answer and by that answer, I mean the answer that you want it to be. No two cases are alike and a lot of cases you can attack it from all sorts of angles to make your argument semi-legit and for civil cases (where the money's at) that's all you need, preponderance..

Anyway, hope this helps someone who crushed the LSAT and is trying to figure out the next step.

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visualcreed556
Saturday, Jul 04 2015

For me, it was taking the last few PT's before test day. The big thing that clicked was staying calm. I got - 0 on the June games with 5 minutes to spare. The big thing was I could breeze through the regular games and when there was a game that was a little weird I could switch back to just working through it and not freeze up.

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visualcreed556
Friday, Jul 03 2015

I can't say I worked as hard as you but I definitely left points on the table with my 161. It was pretty close to what I had calculated my score to be when I left the test but it still hurt a little. I'm not too bummed though because I can get into the school of my choice with this score.

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visualcreed556
Friday, Jul 03 2015

A lot of people bring these situations up but the fact is if your family supports you financially you are definitely obligated to whatever they wish. Once you make it on your own then you can do as you please.

You have to ask yourself what you think is better for you and then go make it happen. If you have to take a year off, go get a job, go get your own place, make it on your own. If you rather stay put then go get into school, get it over with.

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visualcreed556
Friday, Jul 03 2015

Congrats! That's awesome.

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visualcreed556
Friday, Jul 03 2015

I didn't do my best on the June test, I got a 161. But its a pretty decent score for deciding to be a lawyer a few months ago. During the test I was a bit ill and it was in the middle of a military exercise where I couldn't focus. If I took it again I'm almost 100% sure I could do better. I won't though. I have specific goals and plans. There is only one school I want to go to and thats the local school. It's not the top school but people who go there beat out HYS students for jobs in our local market. I have a nagging issue called pride which is making me want to take it again and actually be serious this time but it really is a means to and end and I can move to the next step with my score.

Like I always say, its really up to your long term goals. If you're going to HYS or you need that big scholarship or whatever, then get that great score but keep in mind this is just a test to get you in the door, you haven't even begun the journey yet.

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Saturday, May 02 2015

visualcreed556

Misc LR questions

I seem to be getting these wrong the most are these misc logic indicator questions or just random questions? Any tips for these?

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jul 01 2015

@ if I get to that point at least its a win for me for getting in

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jul 01 2015

For me, I wasn't going to change my methods so close to test day but since you have time go ahead and check it out. You may like it and have time to practice it or you may not. The important thing is that whatever you do is second nature and accurate. You don't want to confuse yourself during the test.

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visualcreed556
Wednesday, Jul 01 2015

I'm not sure what was worst, the headache during the test or the headache waiting for the scores..

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