So I've got three weeks left in the Army before I start terminal leave and I've finally reached the end of the learning curriculum and the only thing that stands in between me and 4-5 months of PTs is the LG Bundle. As I finished up the last few LG sections in the curriculum I saw a lot of people were having the same questions, concerns and other issues with how to approach their LG studies and utilizing the Fool Proof Method and since I don't really have a job or much to do at work anymore I thought I'd offer up my solution and strategy to address some of these problems. I think the Fool Proof Method is awesome, but I tweaked it very slightly for my purposes and I think it could help some people out to employ a similar strategy. If this helps you in any way, please pass it along to anyone else who may be struggling.

Top concerns I have seen from other people:

1) I think 10 copies of every LG is wasting paper.

2) I don't have enough time to do all the LGs.

3) I want to know the categories for every LG I'm doing.

4) When do I do which games and how often do I do them again?

Before I answer these questions directly, here is what I've actually done to set myself up for success. If you were fortunate enough to get the LG Bundle before LSAC made it vanish, then you have all the games from PTs 1-35 which is 140 games. If you have anything less than that, just scale down what I'm prescribing, but everything should still go along as I outline here. I got a few 2" 3-ring binders and filled them with document protectors. I then began with PT 1 and printed out 4 copies of the first game (more on this later), which if you have the LG Bundle is 8 pieces of paper since 7Sage was kind enough to format the old LGs like the new ones with 2 pages and plenty of room to work. If you don't have this I'd say add a piece of scratch paper in with each game to give yourself extra space to simulate what you'll have on the LSAT. I then placed all 4 copies of the first game in a document protector and put a sticky note on the front denoting the following: PT#, LG#, and then a chart with 1st-4th attempts on the vertical axis and Date/Time/Score on the horizontal axis (more on this later as well). I then repeated this process for each subsequent game so that now I have a binder full of 4 copies of each LG, although due to the volume of paper you'll need at least 2 or 3 binders like I mentioned above.

All the information I collect on the sticky notes I will put into a very simple Excel spreadsheet I have designed to track my progress. If you've read this far and are still interested, feel free to message me your email and I will send you a blank copy of the spreadsheet I designed so you can use it and tweak it how you see fit. In a nutshell it has space to log the date/time/score for every attempt for every LG in the bundle.

The first attempt is simply that, just my first shot at a new LG. I time everything with a stopwatch so I know how I'm doing, but I don't set a timer because that doesn't really make sense to me since I'm working to standard and not to time. If you time yourself and stop then you won't know how long the game is actually taking you, so always use a stopwatch (I hope this is common sense at this point). So once I finish I record the date and the time it took me and I blind review and then check my score. I then record only the score I got while timing myself since this is LG and there is no way you should get LG questions wrong during BR since you can just brute force the answers if need be if you really don't understand something. If you're missing LG questions on BR then in my opinion there is something seriously wrong in your methodologies and you need to perhaps relearn the basics unless you just misread a question or something like that.

After recording the data on the sticky note and transferring it to my spreadsheet I watch JY's video explanation and go over the game and then I put that LG in the back of the document protector it came from behind the clean LGs and take out the second copy. I then make my second attempt, timing myself, doing my BR, recording all data, and then rewatching the video if necessary. I then make my third attempt the next day, and my fourth attempt I make a week later, always following the same methodologies as I did on the first attempt.

My thinking is that if I'm really serious about this, I should be able to conquer any given LG in four tries. Two in a row should see a huge time and accuracy improvement since it's so fresh in my mind, then the third and fourth attempts simply reinforce this improvement and the retention of the strategy. This also makes you more efficient since you know that each LG is simply a 7-8 day practice exercise. Trying to schedule out an additional 6 attempts to do all 10 copies just seemed ridiculous to me given that there are 140 LGs to do in the bundle. In my mind it's better to be able to develop mastery more quickly and then encounter a wider variety of games in order to make sure you're ready for everything. Of course, if there is an incredibly hard LG then obviously that may require additional attempts, but this should be a rare exception to the rule.

So to revisit the concerns I noted above, here are my solutions:

1) Obviously you're going to have to get over using some paper, so cutting that down by 60% should be a good tradeoff to help get you into law school in my opinion. And once you get your 170+ you can go recycle all that paper!

2) If you don't have time to do all the LGs, just scale down the above and do what you have time for. If you know it will take a week turnaround per LG and you can do 5 per day, then you know you can get at least 30-35 done in a two week period depending on if you take a day off or not. At this rate you could do more than 100 LGs before the June LSAT if need be (but you should probably be focusing on PTs). If you have to scale way down I'd recommend randomly picking PTs from 1-35 and doing all the games in that PT so you shouldn't end up doing all of the same kind of question and will get a better feel for the variability within a given test.

3) In my opinion you absolutely should never record the category of any game you attempt. If you do, it will negatively influence your work since you will know going in to use a chart or to sequence and group rather than just deducing what needs to be done. When you take the LSAT it doesn't say GROUPING GAME in bold type at the top of the page, so you should practice like its the real thing, which means no knowledge of categories.

4) I think I addressed this well in my strategy above, but it bears repeating: Make 4 attempts: 1st - Today, 2nd - Immediately afterwards, 3rd - Tomorrow, 4th - In a week (either a week from attempts 1&2 or a week from your 3rd attempt, that's your call schedule wise).

Anyways, I know this is a bit long but I hope it helps at least one person because as a longtime lurker I have gotten a lot of help from the community here and I wanted to try to do my part to give at least a little bit back. If anyone is still reading this and wants more details or wants photos of my binders or that Excel spreadsheet, feel free to hit me up anytime. Best of luck to all the June LSAT takers and to everyone else in your studies!

~Pacifico

P.S.- Though I am more than happy to help anyone here with any issues they may have, I will not send you the LG Bundle as that would violate both 7Sage and LSAC regulations. Please don't put me or anyone else in that position because I am trying to help people here and won't break the law to do so. Thanks for your cooperation!

P.P.S. - I don't check my inbox on here anymore, but if you have any questions you can DM me on Twitter @pacificosoldati and I'll do my best to help you however I can.

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126 comments

  • Wednesday, Aug 03 2022

    Thanks!

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  • Wednesday, Aug 03 2022

    @blank20202021972 I don’t think the binder is necessary or useful anymore. When this post was made, LSATs were administered on paper and Pacifico was practicing on paper. Now that the test is virtual, you’re absolutely right that you only need an excel sheet.

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  • Wednesday, Aug 03 2022

    I feel sort of dumb asking this, but what is the point in making those binders? Am I supposed to look back at them? It seems like an overload of information to keep track of... Can't I just use the excel spreadsheet to review what I need to work on?

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  • Wednesday, Apr 14 2021

    Nice thank you

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  • Saturday, Feb 27 2021

    > @medardotreyperez225 said:

    > maybe this is a dumb question, but I don't understand the math on this. How do you get to the "you can get at least 30-35 done in a two week period" number?

    >

    Yeah that's what I am wondering too. If I understand correctly, this is roughly the schedule @974 is suggesting:

    Monday: 5 new logic games

    Tuesday: Do Monday games again for second attempt

    Wednesday: 5 new logic games

    Thursday: Do Wednesday games again

    Friday: 5 new logic games

    Saturday: Do Friday games again

    That adds up to 15 games in week 1

    In week 2, I can redo the games I started on Monday on Monday, the games I started on Wednesday, on Tuesday and the games I started on Friday, on Wednesday. That leaves me with Thursday, Friday, Saturday, in which I don't really have enough time to do the first attempt and the next day attempt as well.

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    Am I missing something?

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  • Sunday, Feb 21 2021

    maybe this is a dumb question, but I don't understand the math on this. How do you get to the "you can get at least 30-35 done in a two week period" number?

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  • Monday, Jul 13 2020

    Bumping as this post seems super helpful! But I have a question in regards to timing. I may be overthinking this but I get that @974 is recommending that we time ourselves with a stopwatch, but he mentions, "I then record only the score I got while timing myself."

    Does this mean that I should only count the correct answers I got under, say 9 minutes (the approximate time I should be spending on each question), correct? I ask because I did an LG untimed and while I got everything right, it took me 20 minutes on the first attempt. Or should the takeaway be, just time every attempt and work on getting quicker? Thanks!

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  • Saturday, Apr 11 2020

    > @jmarmaduke96714 said:

    > I certainly do. Overtime I do a PT, even if I went -0 in games, I print the games off and put them in page protectors and put them into rotation for fool proofing/drilling. I think this is a scenario where just having the broadest possible base for review is a virtue. Good luck!

    Going to start doing that! Thank you!

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  • Saturday, Apr 11 2020

    I certainly do. Overtime I do a PT, even if I went -0 in games, I print the games off and put them in page protectors and put them into rotation for fool proofing/drilling. I think this is a scenario where just having the broadest possible base for review is a virtue. Good luck!

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  • Saturday, Apr 11 2020

    Is it recommended to add newer PT's in the mix than just 1-35 since this is from 5 years ago or just stick with 1-35?? #help

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  • Friday, Aug 02 2019

    Thanks for bringing this back onto the discussion forum homepage! I’m starting this method today in preparation for September test 💪

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  • Thursday, Aug 01 2019

    > @katehopgood113 said:

    > I'm beginning to use Pacifico's LG method. My question here is how many LG do you work on at once? Do you only focus on 1 game at a time through step 3 and then begin to practice another one before the 4th attempt a week later? Trying to figure out how many I should be balancing at one time.

    You have make that choice. It depends how much time you have for games. You also have to consider when your next test date is, so you can finish Pacifico's LG method before then.

    Because I work on LR/RC during my study days, I have time to do 2 new LG games, and 2 other repeats (if necessary). I choose Monday to Wednesday to do new games, and Thursday for my second attempt (if I failed on Wednesday game).

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  • Thursday, Aug 01 2019

    I'm beginning to use Pacifico's LG method. My question here is how many LG do you work on at once? Do you only focus on 1 game at a time through step 3 and then begin to practice another one before the 4th attempt a week later? Trying to figure out how many I should be balancing at one time.

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  • Monday, Jul 01 2019

    > @kaylangeiger2284 said:

    > > @sojohnboy657 said:

    > > I usually do a month from the first time I get everything right under time, then two to three months out after I take it at the one month mark (assuming I do well). If it doesn't go well, I reschedule it again for one to two weeks out, and go from there.

    >

    > Awesome, thank you so much! And congrats on your score!!! It's super inspiring and gives me hope that I can do this since I started off with a 146 diagnostic! :)

    >

    Not at all! And thank you, I'm glad to hear that--it's exactly why I wrote the post! You got this!! :smiley:

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  • Monday, Jul 01 2019

    > @sojohnboy657 said:

    > I usually do a month from the first time I get everything right under time, then two to three months out after I take it at the one month mark (assuming I do well). If it doesn't go well, I reschedule it again for one to two weeks out, and go from there.

    Awesome, thank you so much! And congrats on your score!!! It's super inspiring and gives me hope that I can do this since I started off with a 146 diagnostic! :)

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  • Monday, Jul 01 2019

    > @kaylangeiger2284 said:

    > I read through all the comments but don't recall seeing anyone ask this yet, but I'm wondering about what to do with a game after the 4th attempt. Once you've gotten comfortable with a game, how often do you revisit? I find LG to be my weakest section so I'm worried if I don't use it, I'll lose it.

    >

    > Would it be a good idea to revisit games on a monthly basis after completing the 4th attempt (assuming I got all the questions right under time and feel comfortable)? Should I come back to it sooner, like in two weeks?

    I usually do a month from the first time I get everything right under time, then two to three months out after I take it at the one month mark (assuming I do well). If it doesn't go well, I reschedule it again for one to two weeks out, and go from there.

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  • Monday, Jul 01 2019

    I read through all the comments but don't recall seeing anyone ask this yet, but I'm wondering about what to do with a game after the 4th attempt. Once you've gotten comfortable with a game, how often do you revisit? I find LG to be my weakest section so I'm worried if I don't use it, I'll lose it.

    Would it be a good idea to revisit games on a monthly basis after completing the 4th attempt (assuming I got all the questions right under time and feel comfortable)? Should I come back to it sooner, like in two weeks?

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  • Friday, Jun 07 2019

    @974 Thank you so much for this post/guide. I am fool proofing right now in tandem with this LG attack strategy and it has helped me immensely. Hope everything is well!

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  • Tuesday, Feb 12 2019

    @974 I know I'm 3 years late, but excellent post. I did have one question though. When you finish the fourth time through a logic game (taking it a week later), and you are still 1-2 minutes behind your target time, then what would you recommend we do to keep progressing and getting faster? Do you just drill it until you reach the target time on that same day one week later or do you repeat the process all over again from the start? Thanks.

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  • Thursday, Jul 19 2018

    @974 do you still have pictures of the way you organized your binder and excel sheet? If so, can I dm you for the pictures?

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  • Thursday, Jul 19 2018

    Bumping for any fall test takers still needing help with Logic Games.

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  • Friday, May 04 2018

    > @steve898 said: I think so. Depends on how far you are from target time. If the target is 5 min and you're at 5:03 or 5:10 I think it's fine. But if it's an extra minute or two then keep doing until you reach it.

    Thanks

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  • Thursday, May 03 2018

    @tmgomez2241 I think so. Depends on how far you are from target time. If the target is 5 min and you're at 5:03 or 5:10 I think it's fine. But if it's an extra minute or two then keep doing until you reach it.

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  • Thursday, May 03 2018

    What if I don't solve some games under JYs target time, on 4th attempt? Does that mean I have to repeat until I get it?

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  • Monday, Apr 16 2018

    @974, 7sage Legend.

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