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LSAT · The use of "unless" Group 3 and "cannot" Group 4 combined translation in a Sequencing LG
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williamsandrew119941
Saturday, Jun 05 2021

@margaritmargaritov29 said:

Cannot...Unless is super common on LG and honestly, I translate these only when it's group 3 or group 4 independently.

Group 3+4 are the easiest to handle because they cancel each other out, so you just drop them:

Cannot - negative

unless = if not - negative

2 negatives make a positive

So:

x cannot be in group 1 unless y is in group 1

x cannot be in group 1 unless y is in group 1

x in group 1, y in group 1

This is equivalent to all these:

IF x in group 1, THEN y in group 1

x in group 1, ONLY IF y in group 1

Hope it helps.

And in regard to the inferences - I have been in the same boat - drilling games with conditionals is key, but find games that JY splits the board and force yourself to do them just by using the conditional chain. PT43 G3 is not too difficult, but good practice.

I really like PT41 G3 - it has 2 bi-conditional and it was a real cluster for me in the beginning. JY solves it with 4 boards leveraging the bi-conditionals - do it just following the chain.

That's an excellent way to retrain yourself via omission of "cannot" and "unless". I like that a lot. I will def check that game out. I haven't taken anything in the 40's so this is perfect for me. Thanks for your help

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LSAT · The use of "unless" Group 3 and "cannot" Group 4 combined translation in a Sequencing LG
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williamsandrew119941
Saturday, Jun 05 2021

@jordanjohnsonjr282 said:

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I like to simplify my conditionals as best I can. So this statement:

"Hanbock cannot be shown earlier than the third week unless Ibex is shown in the first week"

... can be translated to:

"H can be shown earlier than the third week only if I is shown in the first week"

(When I see an 'unless', I always negate the sufficient and change 'unless' to 'only if' when I see the term. It's quicker than trying to decide which thing to negate on-the-fly.)

That should produce the following, assuming multiple variables can be in the same spot:

" H_1/2 --> I_1" (aka "H can be in 1 or 2 [or both] only if I is in 1").

Hope that helps!

That's brilliant!

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LSAT · The use of "unless" Group 3 and "cannot" Group 4 combined translation in a Sequencing LG
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williamsandrew119941
Friday, Jun 04 2021

This definitely helps! I also just reviewed those lessons as per your suggestions and they definitely cemented that for me. Thank you. I typically choose the Group 3 version for some reason my brain just gravitates toward automatically negating the sufficient and going with that. Glad to see they are interchangeable logically (been a while since I took that lesson)

I suppose my second issue is extracting LG inferences from them when they involve spatial elements like "H cannot be shown earlier than 3 unless I is shown in 1." = "H is after 3 if I is 1" type stuff. Maybe the solution is to just find conditional games and drill them until it clicks

Thank you guys for your help. Also anyone reading this thread feel free to chime in if you struggle too and/or have found some awesome ways to go about locking these down in LG's. Cheers!

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Hey y'all just in a bit of a rut and need some clarification from my 7Sage peeps. When the term "unless" is used in a logic game rule with other groups things get kinda dicey for me quick.

For instance in an In/Out game if there is a rule which combines the negation of a player via the group 4 "not" or "cannot" group in the conditional I can't for the life of me get it down who gets negated and ends up in the sufficient. Example:

"cannot select J unless W is also selected" . Question: Do I negate J to /J via cannot, then negate my negation of /J again via "unless" to end up with: If J --> W ? Is this correct?

I thought I had this mastered until I took PT 87 Game # 3 (Double layer Sequencing)

"Hanbock cannot be shown earlier than the third week unless Ibex is shown in the first week"

Who gets negated, how, and ends up in the sufficient? Sorry if this is painful for those who have mastered LG conditional logic. Thank you for your help!

-Drew

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LSAT · June Flex Scheduling is live!
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williamsandrew119941
Wednesday, Jun 02 2021

Just got off the phone w/ ProctorU. Unable to schedule test times until tomorrow @ noon ET. This might be because it's my first LSAT Flex registration though. Hope this is helpful

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General · When do you throw in the towel?
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williamsandrew119941
Wednesday, Jun 02 2021

Never give up ever. No surrender. "slow is smooth, and smooth is fast." The paradox of this exam is you have to slow down to speed up. Don't fixate on a perfect score. A T14 school is nice yea, but at the end of the day a law degree is what's most important right? If you score a 160 + you can get a full ride at some of the lesser known (but very good) schools which may save you the six figure debt of one of those ivy leagues anyways. Sometimes taking a bit of time off helps. Also meditation for 20 minutes a few times of week will change your mentality positively (which is half the battle imo). Never give up. No surrender

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PrepTests ·
PT152.S1.Q15
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williamsandrew119941
Thursday, May 27 2021

I was torn between A and B and went with B (face palm). It pays to stop and really evaluate/translate the answers choices that have stark similarities. I knew it was sufficiency - necessity confusion but couldn't translate that well in the AC's. Still giving myself points mentally for knowing the flaw tho

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LSAT · Reading Comprehension - Digital Tips
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williamsandrew119941
Tuesday, May 25 2021

LSAT Flex allows for 5 pieces of scratch paper (front-to-back) for your low resolution summaries/annotations per paragraphs or section. Plus the ctrl-F function is also good to go for the digital format to highlight keywords within the text on RC test day.

Side note I don't personally annotate, but I do use the highlighter function to reference key differences of opinions/viewpoints by the author and any other key players within the text. Read thoroughly for reasoning structure, viewpoints, author tone, and organization and then go back and scan through the text if there is a specific quote, detail, or phrase being addressed by a question. Hope this helps. Best of luck

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LSAT · 175!!!
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williamsandrew119941
Friday, Feb 05 2021

@reneeayetin154 said:

@dimakyure869 said:

Congratulations! What sorts of strategies did you find to be the most helpful? Did you use any other resources of studying resources other than 7sage? Best of luck on your new journey!

hii thank you so much! and do you mean section specific strategies, or just strategies for the test holistically? and in terms of resources, i used a few prep books at the beginning of my process but i mostly relied on 7Sage -- this site has literally everything you could possibly need! and thank you so much :)

Ah yes, I suppose I should be more specific... Did you follow the built in study schedule and CC before taking many practice tests? Also any books or resources out there you've found helpful? Any advice appreciated! Thanks, and again, congrats!

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LSAT · 175!!!
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williamsandrew119941
Thursday, Feb 04 2021

Congratulations! What sorts of strategies did you find to be the most helpful? Did you use any other resources of studying resources other than 7sage? Best of luck on your new journey!

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LSAT · The Loophole - Highly Recommend
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williamsandrew119941
Friday, Jan 22 2021

Just picked up a copy, haven't started yet. To be fair I'm only 3 weeks into 7sage after having spent the first two months of study with the LSAT Trainer so fingers crossed (Btw Mike Kim is awesome, but his book does not focus as much on RC as LR & LG. Still worth the read). Is it possible you could also send me your Quizlet link? :smile:

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