Where else did you apply? What is your GPA?
Before the lsat I took like 1/3 of a sleeping pill that I take when I travel or when I have to go to bed early/wake up early. Usually I take half but I didn’t want to risk possibly being drowsy so I took even less than I would take normally. It’s not a prescription medication and can be bought at any pharmacy...just not in the US.
The melatonin vitamins that melt under your tongue have worked best for me of the natural supplements but they only work sporadically and they have made me drowsy before.
So I pulled up the first practice question through Kira and it’s “how would you estimate the revenue generated from ticket sales at the London 2012 Olympics”
Is this for real? I don’t even understand the question?? I would hope that in 2012 there would be a computer system that just scans the tickets and does the math for you? Maybe use Quickbooks? Did my Kira interview practice questions get switched with a business school interview??
Can someone break this down for me like I'm 5 years old because I have no idea what is going on here. I feel like you have to assume whether or not the proportions are inverse or not and I dont really see how you could deduce that from the stim.
Can someone explain this question to me please? I totally dont get it. I dont see why superior conductors even have to exist in order for this argument to hold true. I dont really see any of the ACs as being viable.
Like, one could say that the mark of a purple dragon is having scales and a big tail...that doesnt mean that purple dragons have to exist.
I feel like D) tries to hone in on just saying that it is possible for this conditional argument to actually occur in the real world, specifically amongst top orchestras.
This was my thinking:
SC -> AI -> ER
To be a superior conductor, one must have the authority to insist that rehearsal work be intensified, and to have this authority one must earn respect of his/her interpretation
A) & B.) are just nonsense
C) I crossed off bc orchestras could sometimes not be ready. If the contrapositive of the stim. holds true, then orchestras could just never respect their conductor's interpretation and thus never [want to] be ready for intensified work. Also, work could be intensified regardless of the orchestra's readiness.
D) If orchestras sometimes dont appreciate the merits of an interpretation...then those some orchestras just wont respect their conductor and that conductor isnt superior. I dont see how this wrecks the argument since it matches up with the contrapositive /ER -> /AI -> /SC
E) I just ended up guessing this. I dont think this is necessary. It could be the case that all top orchestras are led by superior conductors. It could also be the case that some of them arent led by superior conductors.
Why does this early PT seem way harder than the later PTs ugh
Got a random notification from here with a response to some logic games comment and I logged in to here to delete my account and wanted to provide an update.
I half assedly went through the 7sage curriculum for a few weeks during the summer before senior year of undergrad, stopped studying, and then months later took the lsat and got a 158 iirc. Once I learned about the bimodal salary distribution and merit scholarships (thanks TLS), I decided to retake the lsat to aim for a scholarship at a t14 that can get me a big law job to pay off my loans.
After undergrad, I spent a couple months at 2-4 hours a day of 7sage and PTs while working full time as a legal secretary. I was scoring from 162-172 on PTs and almost rescheduled the lsat cuz I wasn’t consistently scoring 167+, but I went for it anyways. Got a 168. I had a 3.8+ gpa from a state school. Got into UT, Vanderbilt, and Georgetown, and waitlisted at almost all the rest of the t14 where I applied. Used Vandy and UT to negotiate a 30% scholarship at Georgetown. Didn’t get off any waitlists despite visiting and sending a lot of LOCIs. Not much WL movement that cycle.
Got a 3.3 gpa during 1L and then raised that to a 3.5 during fall 2L (pandemic OCI was during 2L), which with upperclass grade curve inflation is actually around median and OCI was pretty tough. I did get a big law job in NY. I’m from CA and hate the east coast but I didn’t bother trying to apply to CA firms. Thankfully my firm let me switch before the summer associate gig started. And I applied to be a visiting student at a CA school during 3L so I could move back to CA and settle down where I want to live after law school and 3LOL in warm weather at the beach.
I have like 190k in student loans to pay off including undergrad so I’m very thankful that online resources guided me to a job that can actually pay that off.
Law school kinda blows and in hindsight I would’ve just been a business major in undergrad and not gone to grad school. As an immigrant I didnt really have the resources and network and knowledge that a lot of students have to be able to use a bachelor’s to get a high paying job. I’m happy it all worked out for me cuz my goal was just job security and I feel I have that since I got into big law.
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I think I’ve only done maybe 5 of these ever and I just did a PT (I think PT60) where the first game was like 6 game pieces, at least 2 in both cars, one “driver” in each car. I froze tf up and skipped it and still couldn’t manage to figure it out when I had 6 min left to go back over it. I know it wasn’t that hard I just lost all strategy in the moment.
Anyways, is there a particular name of these grouping game types or does anyone recall any like this?
Grouping/sequencing hybrids I’m fine with but I’m not super experienced with those grouping games where it’s just straight grouping and then the twist is that one is the president.
This is my first PT after I started going back through the 7Sage CC in January. I haven’t taken a PT since around September 2016. Never got over a 160 when I studied over the summer of 2016.
Tbh I did grade it before BRing it but I’m gonna BR I swear.
I threw in a random section so it’d be 5 sections, bubbled in my answers, used the timed proctor. Totally choked on the first simple sequencing game since I wrote down a rule wrong and just skipped it and tried to do the next one but still had some nerves so I f*cked that up too, by the third game I finally calmed down and got 100% on the rest of it. Ended up with -10 on LG smh. LRs I hit -0 and -1, RC I got -2. Didn’t grade the extra 5th section yet.
Haven’t used any prep material other than 7Sage. People on here emphasizing the importance of BR and writing out explanations to answers has helped me a lot.
Moving forward I’m gonna start drilling one LR or RC section and then immediately do an LG section after. I obviously struggle to switch my brain back into LG mode. I have no problem with LG until I’m taking it in the middle of an exam.
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“there really isn't much material out there for us to prepare for this“ - you can actually find every single northwestern question on TLS/Reddit/google. None of the questions should be surprises for anyone and one can prepare answers in advance.
Of course, if one were able to memorize all 150+ questions and responses, then just by altering the response slightly one would be able to answer the questions in the interview as well
Yeah that was kind of my point...I don’t think there are any bombshells in the NU interview that are different than any of the available practice questions online. One could just have notes next to them and quickly ctrl+f the word “weakness” or “friends” or “goals” or whatever the key word in the question is and skim the notes during the given interview preparation time so one wouldn’t have to really think on the spot.
The Cornell interview on the other hand, ugh. Your post would be useful for that.
LSAC counts both. I had something similar on my transcript but on LSAC there’s no 0 credits/replacement grade listed
“there really isn't much material out there for us to prepare for this“ - you can actually find every single northwestern question on TLS/Reddit/google. None of the questions should be surprises for anyone and one can prepare answers in advance.
Good stuff. My decision to delay was based on rude TLS comments telling me no school would accept me with my previous score. although they were wrong, I needed that kick in the ass to motivate me to retake. I think nice posts like this are more motivating though.
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Thanks to @oshun1 and @. Today I wrote PT 72 and scored a 164. So, that does seem to be a significant decrease from my average. However, it seems more important to me that the feel of the questions were different and the RC significantly harder. At this point, I am debating whether to take 3 PTs a week starting at 56 where I left off and get to 86 by the week of the exam, or if I should take 2 a week and start at 70. Any thoughts? Also, how long did it take each of you to get back to your average after starting on the newer tests? Thanks!
Personally I would skip the 50s and 60s, since you don’t have much time until the exam. You want to be comfortable with the modern LSATs, not scrambling to figure them out a couple weeks before the exam. I’m not sure what other people think about this tho.
Honestly, this isn’t an “incident.” instead of dead silence there was like, a 3 word exchange in your vicinity. it probably had no effect on your score.
If someone needs to go to the bathroom during the exam, that’s what happens, they have to try to get the proctors attention and then leave the room and come back to their seat.
Took me going through the CC twice and foolproofing pt1-35 twice
I dont have any specific analysis as to what my confusion with PSAs are. I dont really have a trend of getting a lot of them wrong but I think I could do better. I'm going back through the PSA section in the CC and I take too long on each question. I dont have a specific method for going about it. I'm trying to find the gap in the argument, but then I get confused by the ACs not being phrased quite the same as the stim. I think that, when treating the question like an SA doesnt work, I spend too much time trying to piece each AC into the stim. to see how it fits instead of honing in on the right answer. I cant really answer these off intuition and not quite from logic either so not sure what route to take.
Not to be discouraging but that 168 average may drop drastically once you get to the newer PTs in the 70s and later. You need to start doing the most recent PTs. It doesn’t matter if you burn through them, do every other PT or every 3rd PT in 70-86 if you’re worried about wasting fresh PTs. Drill the LG in the newer PTs too. You can rip up a few from 60-80 to drill.
Doing 1 PT a week is fine. Since you’re studying full time you probably have time to do 2 but I don’t think it’s necessary.
Any updates? Did you email the school?
I’m trying to write Why Xs for other schools and really struggling bc I’m not as interested in the faculty/clubs/clinics offered by other schools. I know I shouldn’t be thinking so much about extracurriculars during law school and the end goal is to get a job but I really want to make the most out of my law school experience and other coughs more conservative schools don’t offer the same opportunities. Anyone else facing this dilemma or am I the only crazy person who really wants to put all my eggs in one basket and just not go to law school until this school accepts me /facepalms
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First, I don’t think you should worry about a score decrease. I did the exact opposite of you - I got a 168 and then re-took and got a 164 🤦🏼♀️. Wanted to attempt a third try but ran out of time. I’m re-applying now and it’s early but it seems as though things are playing out how you’d expect with a 168. No school has inquired about the drop either.
That said, I think you should 100% sign up for July. There is the uncertainty of not knowing if you’ll have digital or paper, but just make sure you are prepared for both and do it! It’s the only time you’ll ever be able to take it and see your score before deciding whether to cancel. Plus if you cancel, they’re giving you a free retake! It is a win-win. You can have 2 more tries for the price of 1, plus get to cancel if you do happen to drop. It’s a no brainer in my book.
I second this. You sound really motivated to retake and it sounds like you have a good job situation. If I had a sliver of motivation and had an interest in staying at my job, I would retake my 168 as well. Since you’re applying next cycle anyways, you have nothing to lose. Good luck, I know you’ll hit that 170!
Getting tired of staring at my lil macbook screen but really don't want to spend $1k++ on an iMac so I figured I could just get a cheap PC desktop and hook it up to my laptop. Refurbished iMacs are just as expensive and I'm scared of getting a used one. I obviously could just google this but I'm seeing vague info online about it.
More specifically in Penn and down since I didn’t apply higher than Penn. Duke seems to have really good resources but I found this out through speaking to the LLM dean and JD-LLM students. I was looking into Cornell and couldn’t find much about it online.
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I just want to confirm that when you do the "negation" technique for NA answer choices, you take the common sense version of negation (as in pretty much just say the opposite of what the statement says). I've noticed that, even with ACs which have conditional logic, JY will negate by the common-sense negation, rather than how we learned to negate "all" statements to "some..not" statements.
i.e. I will go to the store
Negation: I will NOT go to the store.
If I go to the store, I will buy eggs.
Negation: If I go to the store, I will NOT buy eggs.
PT example:
PT.33.3.16
https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/stewards-of-cultural-heritage-na-question/
JY negates the conditional statement in B.) by saying private support will become necessary. Rather than saying private support will sometimes not be unnecessary
I’m really concerned bc I requested 2 weeks off work before the July lsat and I don’t think I can switch the request to September without pissing off HR.
My pt scores so far have been 170, 164 (took this the next day after my first pt, bad idea), 168, 163 (terrible week at work, didn’t really study), 165.
My RC and LR have dipped but my LG is really solid now. It feels like I just don’t have enough time in the day to get everything down. Once I spent a week on RC and my RC was golden but my LR dipped. Now I’ve been really focusing on LR and my RC has dipped. I don’t know if a 2 week intensive will really give me time to get everything together...At this rate it feels like I might just have to skip this cycle idk.
I would be really happy with a 170 and maybe even a 168 could get me into my first choice.
I really wanted to hire an admissions advisor and apply early like in October but I don’t want to spend thousands of dollars just to have a couple weeks to work on my apps.
I’m visiting my TC next week and have a meeting scheduled wth an admissions advisor. It’s a 20 min meeting...really short. Do I just ask them what they’re looking for in an applicant and let them talk or am I trying o sell myself orrrr
Do you mind sharing your gpa? Waiting on responses from a couple of those schools. I have the same LSAT score and I wanted to use 7sage editors but they told me I didn’t have much of a chance at getting into the same schools you got into.
If you’re debt averse and comfortable with staying in LA for your career, then take one of the LA schools.
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I'm just wondering if unreleased PTs should even be considered in your score average. I just did really well on PT C2 but I'm wondering if this is just an easier test or it was just made a while ago so it's not as nuanced as the newer tests.
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@oshun1 , I would rather not identify my specific school since I prefer to keep my anonymity on this forum but my school falls around #30 on US News rankings and is considered the top school in my region. I have friends at other law schools in rankings higher/lower than mine who found my general commentary about preparing for LS applicable to their situation.
To answer your question about networking, yes to both scenarios. However, I think to say anything one thing is flat out necessary to getting a job is misleading. I gave that advice to contextualize the culture of law school and the legal profession. Networking is part of the normative culture of this profession and it starts in law school. I'm sure it's not impossible to get your dream job without networking. However, be prepared to find a diversity scholarship (or other 1L summer associate position) at your dream law firm with one or two openings at most and hear that 10+ of your classmates/friends are interviewing for the same spot (and that's from your school alone). You will feel severely disadvantaged when you find out that they all had coffee/lunch with the hiring partner and know all the specifics about the type of work each practice group does through all their connections. The connections don't automatically mean they will get the job but it will probably mean they will write a better cover letter that's more authentic/less generic, have a better interview with answers more tailored to what the law firm is looking for, and ask their interviewers more intelligent questions. It will also be uncomfortable for you when you drag yourself to a networking event and your classmates are able to greet partners/recruiters by first name and have deeper/more interesting conversations with them. All of these things will make it easier to nail the dream job. If you want more specifics feel free to reach out to me in a message. (Sorry for the small typos, literally trying to type as fast as possible.)
Thanks for the response. So you’re saying that all of those students had befriended partners prior to law school?
Northwestern? Seems like everyone’s still waiting on NU responses. Whichever school it is, emailing them won’t help. You could just respond to the email which notified you that you’re on hold and say thanks I’m still interested
@ did you mentioning the networking part because some people are not used to networking, or because networking BEFORE law school is necessary to get a job during/after law school...?
@ @ do you mind my asking which schools you are going to?
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Unless the application specified that should be done I wouldn't worry about it.
I’m pretty the schools I applied to wrote in the instructions that you should include a header and your lsac# on each doc but I could be wrong. If you get turned down by a school it’s bc of stats/softs/how well written your PS is/how you appeared in comparison to other applicants, not bc you forgot headers or missed a comma somewhere.
Super use useful info in your comment above re $$ and jobs!
Michigan WL’d me, i’m gonna visit at the end of February!
158 to a 168! Super stoked. Owe it entirely to JY’s videos and the 7sage community.
I feel like I've probably done a majority of LGs 1-35 almost 10x each. A handful of times back in summer 2016 and then in January 2018 I (Pacifico) FP'd 1-25. Didnt touch another logic game until April. I stupidly thought that that invested time in January would hold over while I studied the LR section of the CC. I was either very wrong and totally lost my competency in LG, or I was lulled into a false sense of confidence from having done those same games so many times.
For the past couple weeks I've been drilling one LR and one RC and then one LG section (from a random PT that I haven't seen before) in a row so I get used to having to do LG in the middle of a PT. I sporadically do really well on LG and I sporadically totally bomb like -10. I've started FP'ing LG 1-35 in reverse order and I'm doing really well...so I'm trying to figure out what exactly my problem is here and how to fix it
I'm not sure if there is a point in FPing games I havent encountered as often like 35-60, since it seems like that range doesnt have the weird LGs that PT1-35 and the most recent PTs have. I was thinking about FP'ing outside of the 1-35 range, and adding in a random 4-5star game from 1-35, so I get a lot of practice on the weird games, while also getting used to doing games that I havent seen before..
Will FPing LG1-35 be sufficient for taking on new games that I've never seen before in the middle of a PT or is there something different/additional I could/should be doing?
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Lots of useful links within!!
Schools usually don’t start looking at apps until mid January, there’s no need to write a LOCI yet. Most everyone else is waiting too. I’ve gotten response from some schools but still waiting on 4 more. Look at the law school admissions reddit, we’re all freaking out from the slow cycle.
*didnt read the above comment before commenting lol woops
I’ve seen comments here and there about gulc being like a law school scam and they game their numbers by having such a large class size. NAALP data looks good though unless I’m reading it wrong.
Just got invited to a group interview, nice to have some movement on my apps.
I just ordered a cambridge LR by type book off amazon. yes super expensive and kinda silly considering I have them all on 7sage but having to screenshot and print is making me really avoid drilling by type. I know the older LR arent quite the same as modern LR, are the 20s too early to drill?
I've been PTing 5 section tests, just tossing in one extra section at random. When I grade the PT, I dont include the random extra section in my score. I've noticed some people mentioning they rarely take 5 section tests and don't find it detrimental.
Thoughts?
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Congrats!!! Whats your top choice?!
Thank you! YLS!
Woww!!! Awesome
Got an email from them extending an interview offer at a Starbucks before the LSAC forum this weekend. I’ll most likely go just for the law school interview experience but I had no intention of applying. Should I do the research and write up a Why WUSTL essay so I have something to talk about during the interview?
I agree that you should redo the curriculum entirely again. You can try foolproofing LG while going through the CC to get to -0 on LG. Or just foolproof LG after going thru the cc.
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“Breaking news! The combined volume for June, July, and September on this date is down 4.9% compared to June and September last year.”
I swear they just recently had a blog post about how there are going to be more applicants and more lsat takers this year??
Any thoughts?
Congrats!!! Whats your top choice?!
Finally done with the LR section of CC and going through my notes.
I dont remember which exact LR question this is from but I remember one of the questions said something along the lines of "doing A will ensure that B happens."
I have in my notes A -> B, but I want to make sure I didnt write that down wrong.
It sounds like A is sufficient for the occurence of B, not that A is necessary to make B happen.
Thoughts?
I was advised to not repeat things on my resume and I'm not really sure why. I was under the impression that your resume is just to briefly describe what you did at your work. Of course in an essay one wouldn't want to be overly repetitive and use the same words/phrases, but some job duties between jobs are the same.
If one were i.e. working at a fast food restaurant, and then their next job was working at a different fast food restaurant....one would probably expect to read "flipping burgers" repeated between the jobs...I don't understand the importance of trying to rephrase that to ..."rotating" burgers or something.
I think it sounds a little bit stupid and like I'm trying to be fancy and trick the reader into thinking I did something different between jobs...or it just lacks consistency...I just think this is the wrong advice...
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I always spell things out the first time. Acronyms come after.
Same! I start off writing the school name based on how the school formally lists itself on LSAC (like on that instructions page when you start the app) and then after that I write the school name based off how the school advertises itself on its website
BRing doesnt take that long for me. I usually only circle 5ish questions a section if that.
This last PT I took, I circled 7 questions in one LR section. I had a few minutes left of the section, so I had time to go back over 4 questions. After going back over them, I felt 100% certain about the AC I originally chose. So I put a cross through the circle to indicate that I actually feel 100% about it and dont feel the need to BR. This left me with only 3 questions to BR. I still BR'd all 7 questions anyways bc I do think it could be a good use of time to keep writing out explanations.
I'm wondering how exactly other people go about BRing. Maybe a better use of that additional/unnecessary(?) time I spent BRing could've been spent on drilling a new LR section or doing some logic games.
I got -0 on the section before and after BR.
I think the most important question is how are you surviving the polar vortex!!