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Got a random notification from here with a response to some logic games comment and I logged in to here to delete my account and wanted to provide an update.

I half assedly went through the 7sage curriculum for a few weeks during the summer before senior year of undergrad, stopped studying, and then months later took the lsat and got a 158 iirc. Once I learned about the bimodal salary distribution and merit scholarships (thanks TLS), I decided to retake the lsat to aim for a scholarship at a t14 that can get me a big law job to pay off my loans.

After undergrad, I spent a couple months at 2-4 hours a day of 7sage and PTs while working full time as a legal secretary. I was scoring from 162-172 on PTs and almost rescheduled the lsat cuz I wasn’t consistently scoring 167+, but I went for it anyways. Got a 168. I had a 3.8+ gpa from a state school. Got into UT, Vanderbilt, and Georgetown, and waitlisted at almost all the rest of the t14 where I applied. Used Vandy and UT to negotiate a 30% scholarship at Georgetown. Didn’t get off any waitlists despite visiting and sending a lot of LOCIs. Not much WL movement that cycle.

Got a 3.3 gpa during 1L and then raised that to a 3.5 during fall 2L (pandemic OCI was during 2L), which with upperclass grade curve inflation is actually around median and OCI was pretty tough. I did get a big law job in NY. I’m from CA and hate the east coast but I didn’t bother trying to apply to CA firms. Thankfully my firm let me switch before the summer associate gig started. And I applied to be a visiting student at a CA school during 3L so I could move back to CA and settle down where I want to live after law school and 3LOL in warm weather at the beach.

I have like 190k in student loans to pay off including undergrad so I’m very thankful that online resources guided me to a job that can actually pay that off.

Law school kinda blows and in hindsight I would’ve just been a business major in undergrad and not gone to grad school. As an immigrant I didnt really have the resources and network and knowledge that a lot of students have to be able to use a bachelor’s to get a high paying job. I’m happy it all worked out for me cuz my goal was just job security and I feel I have that since I got into big law.

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xlvovska162
Saturday, Feb 23 2019

@leahbeuk911 said:

First, I don’t think you should worry about a score decrease. I did the exact opposite of you - I got a 168 and then re-took and got a 164 🤦🏼‍♀️. Wanted to attempt a third try but ran out of time. I’m re-applying now and it’s early but it seems as though things are playing out how you’d expect with a 168. No school has inquired about the drop either.

That said, I think you should 100% sign up for July. There is the uncertainty of not knowing if you’ll have digital or paper, but just make sure you are prepared for both and do it! It’s the only time you’ll ever be able to take it and see your score before deciding whether to cancel. Plus if you cancel, they’re giving you a free retake! It is a win-win. You can have 2 more tries for the price of 1, plus get to cancel if you do happen to drop. It’s a no brainer in my book.

I second this. You sound really motivated to retake and it sounds like you have a good job situation. If I had a sliver of motivation and had an interest in staying at my job, I would retake my 168 as well. Since you’re applying next cycle anyways, you have nothing to lose. Good luck, I know you’ll hit that 170!

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xlvovska162
Thursday, Feb 14 2019

Do you mind sharing your gpa? Waiting on responses from a couple of those schools. I have the same LSAT score and I wanted to use 7sage editors but they told me I didn’t have much of a chance at getting into the same schools you got into.

If you’re debt averse and comfortable with staying in LA for your career, then take one of the LA schools.

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Monday, Feb 11 2019

@paulatkluu515 said:

@ninaleaoishi762oshun1 , I would rather not identify my specific school since I prefer to keep my anonymity on this forum but my school falls around #30 on US News rankings and is considered the top school in my region. I have friends at other law schools in rankings higher/lower than mine who found my general commentary about preparing for LS applicable to their situation.

To answer your question about networking, yes to both scenarios. However, I think to say anything one thing is flat out necessary to getting a job is misleading. I gave that advice to contextualize the culture of law school and the legal profession. Networking is part of the normative culture of this profession and it starts in law school. I'm sure it's not impossible to get your dream job without networking. However, be prepared to find a diversity scholarship (or other 1L summer associate position) at your dream law firm with one or two openings at most and hear that 10+ of your classmates/friends are interviewing for the same spot (and that's from your school alone). You will feel severely disadvantaged when you find out that they all had coffee/lunch with the hiring partner and know all the specifics about the type of work each practice group does through all their connections. The connections don't automatically mean they will get the job but it will probably mean they will write a better cover letter that's more authentic/less generic, have a better interview with answers more tailored to what the law firm is looking for, and ask their interviewers more intelligent questions. It will also be uncomfortable for you when you drag yourself to a networking event and your classmates are able to greet partners/recruiters by first name and have deeper/more interesting conversations with them. All of these things will make it easier to nail the dream job. If you want more specifics feel free to reach out to me in a message. (Sorry for the small typos, literally trying to type as fast as possible.)

Thanks for the response. So you’re saying that all of those students had befriended partners prior to law school?

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xlvovska162
Monday, Feb 11 2019

Northwestern? Seems like everyone’s still waiting on NU responses. Whichever school it is, emailing them won’t help. You could just respond to the email which notified you that you’re on hold and say thanks I’m still interested

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xlvovska162
Monday, Feb 11 2019

@paulatkluu515 did you mentioning the networking part because some people are not used to networking, or because networking BEFORE law school is necessary to get a job during/after law school...?

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xlvovska162
Monday, Feb 11 2019

@xtrfalcon925 @paulatkluu515 do you mind my asking which schools you are going to?

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Monday, Feb 11 2019

@xlvovska162 said:

Unless the application specified that should be done I wouldn't worry about it.

I’m pretty the schools I applied to wrote in the instructions that you should include a header and your lsac# on each doc but I could be wrong. If you get turned down by a school it’s bc of stats/softs/how well written your PS is/how you appeared in comparison to other applicants, not bc you forgot headers or missed a comma somewhere.

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xlvovska162
Monday, Feb 11 2019

Super use useful info in your comment above re $$ and jobs!

Michigan WL’d me, i’m gonna visit at the end of February!

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Friday, Feb 08 2019

Schools usually don’t start looking at apps until mid January, there’s no need to write a LOCI yet. Most everyone else is waiting too. I’ve gotten response from some schools but still waiting on 4 more. Look at the law school admissions reddit, we’re all freaking out from the slow cycle.

*didnt read the above comment before commenting lol woops

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Monday, Feb 04 2019

@ninaleaoishi762 said:

@terrynicholasj326oshun1 said:

Congrats!!! Whats your top choice?!

Thank you! YLS!

Woww!!! Awesome

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xlvovska162
Sunday, Feb 03 2019

I agree that you should redo the curriculum entirely again. You can try foolproofing LG while going through the CC to get to -0 on LG. Or just foolproof LG after going thru the cc.

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xlvovska162
Saturday, Feb 02 2019

Congrats!!! Whats your top choice?!

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xlvovska162
Friday, Feb 01 2019

@ninaleaoishi762 said:

I always spell things out the first time. Acronyms come after.

Same! I start off writing the school name based on how the school formally lists itself on LSAC (like on that instructions page when you start the app) and then after that I write the school name based off how the school advertises itself on its website

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Wednesday, Jan 30 2019

I think the most important question is how are you surviving the polar vortex!!

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xlvovska162
Wednesday, Jan 30 2019

Where else did you apply? What is your GPA?

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Wednesday, Jan 30 2019

Before the lsat I took like 1/3 of a sleeping pill that I take when I travel or when I have to go to bed early/wake up early. Usually I take half but I didn’t want to risk possibly being drowsy so I took even less than I would take normally. It’s not a prescription medication and can be bought at any pharmacy...just not in the US.

The melatonin vitamins that melt under your tongue have worked best for me of the natural supplements but they only work sporadically and they have made me drowsy before.

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Monday, Jan 28 2019

@yifeiwang926 said:

@xlvovska162oshun1 said:

“there really isn't much material out there for us to prepare for this“ - you can actually find every single northwestern question on TLS/Reddit/google. None of the questions should be surprises for anyone and one can prepare answers in advance.

Of course, if one were able to memorize all 150+ questions and responses, then just by altering the response slightly one would be able to answer the questions in the interview as well

Yeah that was kind of my point...I don’t think there are any bombshells in the NU interview that are different than any of the available practice questions online. One could just have notes next to them and quickly ctrl+f the word “weakness” or “friends” or “goals” or whatever the key word in the question is and skim the notes during the given interview preparation time so one wouldn’t have to really think on the spot.

The Cornell interview on the other hand, ugh. Your post would be useful for that.

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xlvovska162
Monday, Jan 28 2019

LSAC counts both. I had something similar on my transcript but on LSAC there’s no 0 credits/replacement grade listed

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Monday, Jan 28 2019

“there really isn't much material out there for us to prepare for this“ - you can actually find every single northwestern question on TLS/Reddit/google. None of the questions should be surprises for anyone and one can prepare answers in advance.

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xlvovska162
Sunday, Jan 27 2019

Your having trouble understanding something,

doesn’t mean it’s poorly written

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xlvovska162
Sunday, Jan 27 2019

Good stuff. My decision to delay was based on rude TLS comments telling me no school would accept me with my previous score. although they were wrong, I needed that kick in the ass to motivate me to retake. I think nice posts like this are more motivating though.

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xlvovska162
Sunday, Jan 27 2019

@ata9144688 said:

Thanks to @oshun1 and @eugenewrotethis726. Today I wrote PT 72 and scored a 164. So, that does seem to be a significant decrease from my average. However, it seems more important to me that the feel of the questions were different and the RC significantly harder. At this point, I am debating whether to take 3 PTs a week starting at 56 where I left off and get to 86 by the week of the exam, or if I should take 2 a week and start at 70. Any thoughts? Also, how long did it take each of you to get back to your average after starting on the newer tests? Thanks!

Personally I would skip the 50s and 60s, since you don’t have much time until the exam. You want to be comfortable with the modern LSATs, not scrambling to figure them out a couple weeks before the exam. I’m not sure what other people think about this tho.

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xlvovska162
Sunday, Jan 27 2019

Honestly, this isn’t an “incident.” instead of dead silence there was like, a 3 word exchange in your vicinity. it probably had no effect on your score.

If someone needs to go to the bathroom during the exam, that’s what happens, they have to try to get the proctors attention and then leave the room and come back to their seat.

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Friday, Jan 25 2019

Took me going through the CC twice and foolproofing pt1-35 twice

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