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Just droppin' in. Good luck boss - you'll kill it.

I did 3 watches in Sept. Didn't hear a word about it and it works great. Just have all the hands lined up to noon and have the pin pulled out - as soon as the section switches just swap desk location and push the pin in and good to go

I'm one of the homers for sure. I get too agitated at the stupidity of most of the people in public and I think that would be a detriment to my studying. I have a dog that provides enough distractions to simulate test day, so I'd rather her annoy me and be comfy at home than get pissed off at strangers that I can't do anything about.

Also, lol @ that library. What an awful environment.

UVA is a guarantee if you crack 170 and apply ED. Maybe not guarantee but they seem to always take people with similar stats ED. Which is good for 9/11 bill applicants since this will result in no scholarship. Otherwise I think it's reasonable to apply for Duke, Mich, NU, UT, GT, Cornell, and maybe penn if you're feeling ballsy. I don't know your financial situation but if money isn't an issue I might even apply to everywhere besides Yale and Berkeley honestly. You never know when a Hail Mary with unique softs like yours will catch the eye of someone at Harvard or Stanford. Just get your essays done for everywhere before hand so you're ready to pull the trigger and apply. If you get the lsat score you want I'm confident you'll get at least 1 t14 admission. Don't short change yourself

Disclose imo. They won't care and it won't hurt your applications. If they found out about it and you didn't disclose, then you'd be a world of hurt. It might be worth while to discuss with a consulting company to see how schools would view the incident, but I don't think it will matter much.

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Does anyone know if people are still following this schedule for the December 2017 exam?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NqvbW4p83dpFmihrUOeWf6Dx8ETo25rLE1q1nPzOrpg/edit?usp=sharing

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@ Have the study groups for the December 2017 started?

Hi guys! Sorry I missed both posts. I think @ has taken the reigns on the December study group. The schedule posted on the google doc was more geared towards September takers who wanted to retake in December. I don't know if it would be the best plan of attack for someone wanting to take December for the first time (you'd want to put the newer tests closer to your test date). I believe she has some posts running about when they are meeting. Let me know if you have any questions though !

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To what extent did you prep Pre-Law school?

Are you thinking about applying for clerkships yet? 1L summer gig at a firm?

Also, @ , can we extend this guy’s account so he can follow up post finals?

He will forever have forum access. It's just the access to the course material that he loses

After a quick glance I did find one thing that needs updated (not to be overly critical because this is an awesome resource).

For UVA - The post reports not having an ED program, whereas they actually do offer one.

http://content.law.virginia.edu/admissions/jd-application-instructions#binding

What sort of schools are you targeting, or maybe a better question is what sort of culture do you prefer/dislike? The easy ones to isolate are the "fratty southern" schools like UVA, Duke, Alabama, etc., but even that stereotype imo is largely over-exaggerated. Are you someone looking for a social atmosphere? Chicago for instance has a rep of not being a happy/social place, but it is also one of the best schools in the country, whereas Chicago's neighbor, NU, is typically a collaborative and more social atmosphere - despite being relatively close to each other, they are very different.

Each school has unique pros and cons. If you provide what range of school you're looking for and then either a "want" or "dislike" list, others might be able to provide input to narrow down the scope.

Apart from browsing TLS for 20 hours, I don't think there exists a repository that categorizes every school, unfortunately.

It largely depends on your target schools. If you are aiming for T13 (maybe even T20) then there is a greater benefit to applying early. It also depends on what kind of score you receive from the September test. If you get a 169 and your target school has a median LSAT of 170, then even a 1 point increase will be a huge boost to your acceptance chances.

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Isn't the range from late Dec to March wide? I would think there would be a big difference applying in Dec than in March alone. I too was concerned about the September vs December difference but I've generally had the response that there's not much of a difference applying right after a September score than it is right after a December score.

This is correct. If you apply immediately after you get your December scores you'd be in good shape still. If you apply at the beginning of March, you are definitely pushing it and are likely in bad territory unless you end up with an LSAT >75% and have an amazing number to pair it with. Even then, though, you might find it difficult to come out of your cycle with scholarship $ depending on things that are out of your control.

Typically though, it's always safer to retake for a higher score.

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Okay last time I'll post this but anyone who had only two LR sections:

Do you remember a question about Lemurs? It said it was useful to study primates like chimpanzees/gorillas or something. Only Lemurs were in Madagascar? Stated that some lemur species are diurnal (sleep during the night, basically opposite of nocturnal) and that high primates all evolved from this species of low primates.

Once again, I had LR LG LR LR RC, and this question was in the 2nd LR (3rd section overall). I think i bombed that 3rd section but did alright elsewhere so that's why i'm desperate haha. Thanks!!!

its been confirmed that they rotated the experimental section btween s1 and s3. The lemurs was not in the real LR. I had 2 sections and do not recall that question.

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ANYONE WITHOUT 3 LR SECTIONS: Do you recall a question about school implementing new rules to curve drinking on campus?

Please if anyone can answer this so I might be able to sleep tonight!!

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Really hoping the first section of LR was the experimental because I found it much harder than the other two, not entirely sure but I think the first section began with a question about drinking on campus. Can anyone confirm if this was the experimental section?

Can anyone confirm this, if the question about reducing drinking on campus was real or experm?

I had 2 LRs and do not remember this question

I had 2 LR's and this was 100% included in a real section.

practice

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so the general consensus is that RC was hard. Will the curve reflect this? how does that work?

Honestly I doubt the curve will reflect this. For 81 lots of people thought RC was really hard and the curve did not reflect that.... sad because I also feel like I bombed RC. That fricken judges passage made no sense. Curve is always pretty consistent.

Yeah with as easy as LG was, I don't think the curve will be very extreme. Probably a 10 or 11

The [removed] in the experimental RC was literally the hardest I've ever seen. So glad that wasn't real

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There's tons of URM splitters on mylsn.info. I see a few 3.6 and lower gpas who snagged HLS with 164+ LSATs. There's also a ton of URMs with 3.3/3.4s who have got CCN with LSATs in the same range. For what it's worth, I will say that many of the AA splitters seemed to have attended great UG institutions. I wonder how much of an effect that has on admissions.... Probably a decent amount.

What's CCN?

chicago, columbia, nyu

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Would they give 2 RCs or 2LGs to open up an exam, so that you'd know after the first two sections that you've already done an experimental?

it has happened, yes

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Maybe a few of us will be testing together.

Comment your testing location

I'll be at Ohio State University

No shit. First ohio person I've seen around here or TLS. I took the digital LSAT at OSU and hated it, so I decided to get a hotel 2 hours away instead. The buildings they use at OSU are ooooollllldd

DUDEEEE they are ancient!!!

I couldn't handle those tiny desks and lack of central air. The room we were in was so stuffy and sticky from the humidity in the air. No thank you

At this point you have nothing to lose by taking it. If you get a bad score just say you were super sick as an addendum on your apps. If you do well, congrats, you're done.

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Maybe a few of us will be testing together.

Comment your testing location

I'll be at Ohio State University

No shit. First ohio person I've seen around here or TLS. I took the digital LSAT at OSU and hated it, so I decided to get a hotel 2 hours away instead. The buildings they use at OSU are ooooollllldd

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so either I'm insanely terrible at RC or the analytics for that RC section is a LIE

I think the former tho :/

nah, i thought it was without a doubt the toughest section I've taken. I didn't look at the difficulty beforehand either, so it wasn't any sort of bias on my part or psyching myself out.

I'm guessing there aren't many people that have taken that section, and I'm also guessing the ranking is based on average performance on the section as a whole. The people who have reported scores are likely people who have already taken the test, are retakers, or people at the end of their LSAT prep, which will skew the results.

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wat

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I've always dreamed of having a solid excuse for becoming an alcoholic, and this career path lines up with that dream nicely.

On topic, you are honestly the first person I've ever met with any sort of drive or passion for labor laws haha, I imagine you will be fairly successful since you have that going for you!

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I can't emphasis enough how important it is to finish cc before PT. What are you testing with these PT prior to finishing the cc?

Heed this advice. Don't rush into PTing, you will only hurt yourself. Don't compare your progress to others (don't think you are behind/ahead because others are already PTing while you are in the CC, or vice versa) as it is extremely detrimental to your mental stamina and esteem.

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@ is, of course. 100% with regard to percentiles. But although law school admissions is primarily a numbers game, there is a bit more to it, and it is likely that a 2.0 will be looked at with more of a jaundiced eye than a 3.2, and give the choice between two splitters with such GPAs, I'd think that the 3.2 would win out 99.9% of the time. That would not be the case, however, if both were below median GPA and the difference was, say 3.54 and 3.49. Such minuscule differences make a difference only when one is above median and the other not.

I agree. And I think I hinted towards that in my original post :

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The good news is, for reporting purposes, there is absolutely no difference between a 3.2 and 2.5. They are both below the 25% range, so they get calculated the same. The only difference is the story that the GPA will tell.

Obviously if neither candidate had an addendum and both applied with the exact same app (this is impossible), the 3.2 would get chosen over the 2.0 every time. But there are definitely things to sway the application in the 2.0's favor, such as addendum, work experience, softs, etc.

@ I am by no means trying to argue, or disagreeing with what you said, just wanted to clarify in case it came off some other way.