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zermeenadurrani118
Thursday, Apr 30 2020

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More consistent breaks in between and less long breaks. I think long breaks kind of disincentivise you to continue studying. I like shorter breaks in between. Maybe a 2-3 days off a week?

yes, i like the sounds of that. My problem is when I take breaks I feel like I am falling behind - missing my opportunity to study - forgetting everything - it is the worst feeling of doom and irrational

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zermeenadurrani118
Thursday, Apr 30 2020

@ said:

I liked to change up where I study. Picking a new study spot is refreshing, even if it's just in a different room of the house.

Nice tip! However, the distractions are reaaaaal in my crazy house lol. So i study in my dingy basement haha

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zermeenadurrani118
Thursday, Apr 30 2020

@ said:

Try to recognize where the line is for you between not studying enough and pure exhaustion. Then plan accordingly. That may look like studying for 3 hours 5 days a week or maybe for 4 full days a week with 3 off. That depends on you and your preferences.

It helps me to make a spreadsheet with what I want to work on for the week. I study for the time allotted so that I know I am getting done what needs to get done but I don't go beyond unless I have the energy to. I can get caught up in the LSAT and go over time because I consider some parts of it to be fun. But if you feel like it is causing you to become exhausted then pull back on the reigns a bit.

Hang in there!

Thank you so much! I am going to try making a spreadsheet and be more aware of my limits.

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zermeenadurrani118
Thursday, Apr 30 2020

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I would be interested to see why people are doing 5 section PTs for a 3 section test? Is it just for stamina? Are you all intending to do flex and then a regular one afterwards? just curious.

I was thinking of practicing 4 sections for stamina but also because I am unsure which future tests will be flex or not. unless they already announced it and I am unaware

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Thursday, Jul 30 2020

zermeenadurrani118

Low 140s to 168 - Thank you 7SAGE

Wow, I don't even know what to say right now. I've come a loooooong way - It took me longer than most people to improve and understand the concepts, but after 2+ years of hard work and 7sage- everything has finally paid off! My biggest struggle with this test was honestly motivation and CONFIDENCE aside from the concepts themselves.

I am so happy and grateful for 7sage, everyone on here that helped me with questions as I went through the CC especially @"Heart Shaped Box" as well as JY for doing the BR calls.

Let me know if you guys have any questions regarding studying- Although, I'm not an expert and I am sure everyone on here is already really smart and on their way to success. Best of luck. You can do this.

Any general tips? I keep doing this to myself and then by the time I realize it, I am already burnt out.

How in the heck do I balance not over-doing it but also make sure I get through PT's and material before the July test. I am already done CC. Just going over it occasionally for my weak areas after PT'ing.

I am so stressed out that I keep burning out from over studying and become unable to do anything at all. Then, I take a one week break to recover and repeat my bad habits of over-studying and so on

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zermeenadurrani118
Wednesday, Apr 29 2020

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Hi there!

Here are some examples of arguments I came up with that I think would be illustrations of the answer choices you gave.

For your first answer choice: In general, one should set aside some time each day to study for a test such as the LSAT. Doing a little bit of work every day will help the material stick in your head and help you avoid brain fatigue. This is much more effective than trying to cram a lot in a short period of time. However, it is also a good idea to try to start your law school application essays early if possible.

----- In this argument, the first sentence is the conclusion and the next two sentences are premises. The last sentence is just an add-on. You could agree with my conclusion and agree with the add-on about our application essays. You could also tell me im crazy and cramming is the best way to study. But you still agree with getting application essays started early because rolling admissions gives you a benefit for applying early. So, it is compatible with accepting and denying the conclusion.

For your second answer choice: "It should be taken as a given that one's family should be the most important thing thing to them. If you think that anything or anyone else is more important than your family, then you are a bad person. Yet, I do think that I should be considered to be a good person, even though my best-friend and I are very close and I consider them to be more important than some of my distant family members."

----- Here a conditional (or principle) is laid out. "If you think that anything or anyone else is more important than your family, then you are a bad person." The next sentence is a value judgement "I should be considered a good person," so I am making a prescriptive or normative claim. However, I think my friend is more important than someone in my family. I am making a value judgment that directly contradicts the principle.

For your third answer choice:

Person 1: I think that the presidential candidate from party A would be a very poor choice for the white house. He/she has a long track record of being selfish and dishonest. Not only that, he/she has been known for making terrible decisions in both foreign and domestic policy that are deleterious to the people in this country. Having such a leader is something that we should avoid if possible.

Person 2: Wow, I am surprised at the abrasiveness of your polemical argument. You should know that simply attacking all of the people who have a particular view is not a good way to bring people around to your side. Simply pretending like all of the supporters of party A are opposed to good policy is not going to persuade anyone that your viewpoint is correct. You really should have thought through your argument more carefully.

----- Here, person 1 makes a reasonable argument against voting for the candidate from Party A. On the other hand, person 2 distorts the argument and makes it seem like person 1 was making an ad hominem attack against the supporters of Party A's candidate. Person 2 then goes on to make a well reasoned attack against an ad hominem argument. So person 2 never interacted with the argument of person 1, he/she only attacked a straw man.

It is important to note here that if person 1 had actually made an ad hominem attack, then person 2's argument would be good. Person 2 correctly and accurately attacked an ad hominem argument, but that wasn't the argument that person 1 was making.

I hope this helps, let me know if I can clarify!

This helped me so much! Thanks a ton.

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zermeenadurrani118
Wednesday, Apr 29 2020

@ said:

Is 7-Sage going to create LSAT-Flex exams, with 3 sections?

This would be REALLY helpful!!!! @

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zermeenadurrani118
Wednesday, May 27 2020

how/when/where do we select the date and time we want to write it

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zermeenadurrani118
Monday, Apr 27 2020

#help can you not conclude things with contrapositive

PJ --> /SC and /BBH

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Monday, Apr 27 2020

zermeenadurrani118

Logical Reasoning - Help making up some examples

Can anyone think of examples that would make the following answer choices correct

OR have come across LSAT arguments that have a method of reasoning matching the answer choices below?

it is compatible with accepting the argument’s conclusion and with denying it

it makes a value judgement that is incompatible with a principle outlined

It distorts the opponent's argument and then attacks the distorted argument

Thanks!

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zermeenadurrani118
Monday, Apr 27 2020

My understanding

Premise: there are examples of people resisting technology in spite of the fact their working conditions would have been improved by it

Con: This fact^ shows us that social inertia is more powerful than desire for comfort or safety

In other words:

social inertia is what is causing them to resist technology

I think we need to show that something besides X (social inertia) could be causing this resistance or that social inertia is not powerful enough? or maybe comfort and safety are impacting people's behaviours/thought behind the scenes, in a way that is not obvious....something along those lines...

A - belief that these innovations cause job loss is what causes resistance [ so a belief that implies an alternate explanation , desire for comfort and safety could be operating rather than social inertia weakens the argument]

B - they are reluctant, ok but is it because of social inertia or other reasons? Seems to support social inertia idea which we are tasked with weakening

C - consistent with premises ; we did not say ALL tech innovations show people resist

D - I selected this initially - BUT the problem is that -although in my head it seemed like an alternate explanation - i was ASSUMING the changes in the argument were being implemented in an abrupt manner. Stimulus did not address the speed with which changes were being made - so irrelevant to argument

E - this does not weaken the fact that social inertia causing them to resist. How would this belief and/or its implications help us weaken the argument? it does not

I am looking for a tutor - not so much to help me with specific concepts but rather to help me with planning/ designing a concrete study plan to conquer my problem areas and advance given the time I have to study. I have finished the CC and know which areas I need to work on. However, when I sit down to study, I often jump from one task to another. This makes me easily become overwhelmed, de-motivated and unsure of how to proceed.

I want to write the test in July. I have more availability since I quit full time work but unsure how to structure my days and what I should get through before the test date.

Does any one have recommendations for a tutor to help with this? or are you a tutor who can help with creating plan with me?

Also, struggling with finances so hoping for a cheaper session if possible but open to hearing rates.

Let me know!

Appreciate it all the help.

Trying to study full time before the July exam. Especially with the quarantine I feel that it is easy to fall off track and I am calling for an accountability buddy.

Hoping my accountability buddy and I can just send each other check in/out messages at the below times

Check in same time every day: share our study goals for the day

Take designated breaks at the same times

"Log off" for the day - check out: share what we accomplished toady

This would be just to hold each other accountable - not for the purposes of tutoring...but of coarse I can help if I can be of any use.

I live in Calgary, Alberta - MDT so of coarse it will be more helpful if we have the same time zones or time zones kind of close to one another at the least

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zermeenadurrani118
Friday, Apr 24 2020

I agree, it has been very very very challenging. I feel guilty for not studying when I try to take a break but I have been studying over a long period of time and taken numerous breaks and reviewed sections of the CC if I felt like I had 'forgotten' and continued. Here and there, I took PT's to see my weaknesses and what I needed to review in the CC - just depends on how far you are into it i guess. Anyways, i hope you can find your rhythm again, as we are all trying to do! You are not alone.

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Wednesday, Apr 22 2020

zermeenadurrani118

How to improve speed on RC - HELP!!

Anything helps. I feel incredibly slow. sometimes I read sentences twice because I feel like i missed something or because I could not focus the first time... What is going on?!

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zermeenadurrani118
Monday, Jun 22 2020

@ said:

@ said:

np. If you have A --> B or C and you are given C, then no you wouldn't have A ---> B remain as a rule bc A --> B or C doesn't necessarily translate into

A --> B

A --> C

It CAN because "B or C" always implies "or both" but it doesn't necessarily have to so you can't presume it always does. I feel like you have to remember that only sufficient conditions (A) trigger anything. So if you are given a necessary condition (C), that doesn't do anything/change any rules/nothing falls away. The only time I can think of C making any difference given A --> B or C is in the case of the contrapositive where /B and /C ---> /A so if you don't have C, then you can't have A. Otherwise, C doesn't trigger anything.

just to follow up - if we have

A --> B or C

and we find out /C

would we be able to conclude /A?

never mind - figured it out

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zermeenadurrani118
Monday, Jun 22 2020

@ said:

np. If you have A --> B or C and you are given C, then no you wouldn't have A ---> B remain as a rule bc A --> B or C doesn't necessarily translate into

A --> B

A --> C

It CAN because "B or C" always implies "or both" but it doesn't necessarily have to so you can't presume it always does. I feel like you have to remember that only sufficient conditions (A) trigger anything. So if you are given a necessary condition (C), that doesn't do anything/change any rules/nothing falls away. The only time I can think of C making any difference given A --> B or C is in the case of the contrapositive where /B and /C ---> /A so if you don't have C, then you can't have A. Otherwise, C doesn't trigger anything.

just to follow up - if we have

A --> B or C

and we find out /C

would we be able to conclude /A?

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zermeenadurrani118
Sunday, Jun 21 2020

I feel like the first line where they talk about comparing two different chess playing programs is just a distraction to get you thinking about comparing different programs.

But as you read on they only talk about comparing the same program on different computers.

Your question as to why?

just a made up scenario to your question why you would compare 1 program on different computers...It provides slightly different output depending on the computer.

Example: It seems that my friend always has a better chance of winning than me.. My friend says it is because he is better than me but we want to rule out it is not because of computer speed allowing him to win...so we test same program- diff computers. then we find out it is because my friend's computer is faster than mine- meaning it can examine more moves and hence increases his chances of winning even though same program.

Edit: made it less confusing

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Thursday, May 21 2020

zermeenadurrani118

Under-Confidence in BR - advice?

So, during blind review I end up changing a lot of my answers from correct ones to incorrect ones,convincing myself why it is right. I think, possibly I overthink things and doubt myself a lot. Any idea for what I can do to work on this. I have a lot of practice with things so I don't know why I still doubt myself... I wish I could have more confidence in myself and trust my gut.

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Tuesday, Nov 19 2019

zermeenadurrani118

how to stop reading rules wrong in LG????

seriously i always do this and its such a stupid reason to loose marks... any tips? Am i just being too rushed or lazy or not bothering to understand a rule. i always tell myself i will pay more attention next time but end up mixing things up...

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Monday, May 18 2020

zermeenadurrani118

BR partner for July 2020 Test

Looking for someone at the same level of their studies as me - Completed CC and taking PT's and doing thorough Blind Reviews. It will be my first time writing.

My goals for the next two months include: score more consistently, build endurance, identify and improve weak areas, really work on improving RC

I am hoping to get through some of the 70's tests this month and 80's during June. I am also open to doing older tests or even just sections ( example LR section or single RC passage) when not testing and BR-ing.

I find Blind Review VERY helpful and hoping someone who is preparing for July will be down. We don't have to do every single test together- maybe a few - unless you want to do more.

If you are interested, at the same level and have similar goals - then let me know!

My time zone is Mountain Standard

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Friday, May 18 2018

zermeenadurrani118

diagnostic test - a discouraging score

Hey everyone,

So, I have been studying on and off for lsats with 7sage because I had school earlier.

I also only studied individual question types through the cirrciculum of 7sage (strengthening/weakening) did not even get through whole cirriculum yet nor had i completed any practice tests...except one last summer - i don't even count that because i was not going in with any strategies. Anyways, thats the context, but I recently took a practice test times and my diagnostic score was 140.

I was very upset with this. But I took in to consideration that I barely completed some sections due to my speed/time.

I barely understood any logic game...and guessed on all of them.

If i study hard for the next 3-4 months (7 sage cirriculum) and do PTs for 1 month - do you believe I have potential to reach atleast 160 - 165 atleast?

I am unsure of wether that will be sufficient time to write the Sep. lsat -

any advice?

thank you all for any suggestions, appreciate it!

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Tuesday, Sep 18 2018

zermeenadurrani118

On to conquer logic games

Hi wonderful people,

I am just reaching the end of the LR portion of the CC and I am feeling good, but nervous for logic games. Do you think I should review all of the LR i studied from the beginning for a few days and then move to logic games, or just carry on or alternatively, do both at the same time.

Any advice and encouragement for logic games is appreciated :')

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zermeenadurrani118
Saturday, May 16 2020

@ said:

It doesn't look like they have announced a date by which they will announce changes. They announced the early June test change at the very end of April. So I imagine they will announce July around a month before as well.

good to know, thank you

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zermeenadurrani118
Tuesday, Jun 16 2020

interested

I am really burning out and it's especially hard for me to get away and do things I enjoy because of quarantine. (Don't mean to sound like a first world snob.. but here we are). Anyways since quarantine, I have tried to go for runs, write, go for walks etc. to have some sort of alternative outlets but it really has not felt the same.

I have been studying on and off for almost a year or more but burnt out TWICE in quarantine. I have also never studied like I have during quarantine so it makes sense. Since I am now unemployed and have no responsibilities, you would think this is a good thing, for studying but it also took away my balance, hobbies, structure...etc

I have reached most of my study goals but have some areas to improve. My plan was to sharpen areas for improvement and simulataneously complete a certain amount of PT's + review them before July's test.

This burn out is causing me even more stress since I may not have time to take all PT's as planned or go over all material.. and I don't want to delay the test.

I am feeling really hopeless and upset that my brain keeps crashing on me and I am not doing a good enough job at having a balance. And I am stressed that this burnout is "wasting my time". and even more stressed of the cycle of burnout repeating itself.

Any tips on how i can pull myself out of this negative place I have sunk into?

TDLR: experiencing a second burnout and it's killing my motivation especially because quarantine has kept me confined..

Thanks for joining my pity party.

I have completed the CC. Logic games is my weakest section.

I am quitting my FT job to work PT and study for next 3-4 months.

How should I structure my days?

Logic games drilling

and then full practice tests - BR - and repeat ?

What did you find to be the most effective ways to structure your study time after CC was complete?

Please help. Any advice is appreciated

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zermeenadurrani118
Saturday, Jun 13 2020

@ said:

hey yeah you still run the contrapositive because the contrapositive is:

/B or /C --> /A (like you said) which can be broken down into:

/B ----> /A

/C ---> /A

so if you are given /C then it gives you /A

I'm not sure what you mean about (A-->B) as a remaining rule. Your rule is (A --> B and C), nothing about this changes.

Thank you for clearing that up. How about

In the case A --> B or C

and we find out C is satisfied - would that part of rule fall away and would still have A --> B remaining?

especially in the context of logic game, this rule confused me^

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zermeenadurrani118
Friday, Jun 12 2020

@ said:

We need to reframe the issue a bit. 'Overthinking' is not the problem. If you blame 'overthinking', then you're suggesting that more time to think about the problem is a bad thing.

It's not that you're 'overthinking' - you're thinking wrong. It has nothing to do with how many times you see the question. Someone with perfect logic would give you the same analysis every single time, no matter how many times you showed him the same question and no matter how many different (wrong) interpretations of it you try to feed him. The problem lies with you talking yourself into a bad line of reasoning and abandoning a good line of reasoning for it, which is a skills problem every single time.

To fix it, you need to be able to understand why those lines of reasoning are no good, not just try to cut your process off at the perfect time to avoid the mistake that you're about to make. Or in other words, rather than wonder how you can have more confidence in your first instinct, it really ought to be the exact opposite - you should be learning that you shouldn't have confidence (yet) in your first instinct, because you are not yet capable of distinguishing good reasoning from bad reasoning. The goal, then, is not to prop up unwarranted confidence - it is to develop the skills necessary to ensure that any confidence that you do feel is warranted.

Always remember that "trust my gut" is not a problem solving methodology.

Wow incredibly insightful. thanks so much!!!! Will reflect on this.

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Friday, Jun 12 2020

zermeenadurrani118

Contrapositive confusion - HELP!

if we have this statement

A --> B and C

Contrapose:

Not /B or /C --> /A

Simple enough

What if we find out only /C

then what remains?

Do we still get to run contrapositive?

What if this happens in a logic game Would (A-->B) still be the remaining rule?

#help

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zermeenadurrani118
Sunday, May 10 2020

@ said:

Yes. It is very possible. It is a matter of figuring out what is keeping your timed score from matching your blind review score. Some questions to think about are:

What did you do differently in BR that you didn't do under time?

For each individual problem: what caused you to miss it under time?

Did you rush under the time pressure and misread something?

Did you fall for a time trap which caused you to miss other problems because you had to rush through them?

Are you familiar with the game type? You may need to focus on Fool Proofing that type for a while if not.

Did you spend enough time working on the game board in the beginning?

If you can answer these questions, you can then implement strategies to change your approach under time. It may look like slowing down to help you stay calm or skipping certain questions until the end when you know you have got all the low hanging fruit. There are a lot of solutions but the first step is to figure out what is happening that needs to be addressed.

Thank you so much for giving me some things to think about !!!

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Sunday, May 10 2020

Completely understood this in blind review but not a clue when I did it timed.

I am super frustrated with this. Being able to do well on BR and not timed. I manage to miss a whole game timed and get it all right under BR..

I am also doing better on other sections during BR (obviously) but buy a LOT in comparison to timed. Any advice on how to close this gap at all? Is it possible?

With quarantine, I have nothing but time... which can be good and bad.

I am scheduled to take the July test so I do have some time.

I burnt out a week ago because I was studying 5+ hours daily and waking up super early trying to get myself in a routine and become a morning person (100% not a morning person). My body was NOT a fan of this.. I had to stop studying for the past week because my brain became mush and fried.

I need help making a realistic schedule... But I worry, how am i supposed to get through so many PT's before July if I am only studying 3-4 hrs daily as some people suggest you do in order to not burn out?

I don't know how to achieve balance study/life AND get all the work done that I need to. If you could share with me your study schedule ideas for the day and week, and maybe even how you are de-stressing during quarantine - that would be so appreciated.

Thank you so much everyone

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Saturday, May 09 2020

studying for july! meena96@.com

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Monday, Jun 08 2020

I just realized the difference in what 12 C is saying vs. what the lines in the end of the second paragraph say

passage says our failure to recognize we are making inferences leads us to think that we are infalliable (perfect)in IDENTIFYING what we think because we think "oh I am perceiving it directly" so "I can't be identifying my thoughts wrong"

whereas C says we develop an increased tendency to ignore our own errors in judgement within that field

Mistaking whether our thoughts are inferential or direct is different from making mistakes in judgements within a game of chess

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Tuesday, May 05 2020

This is how i tried to understand it

Line 1: General broad Principle: Democracy requires sharing ideas freely..without fear

Line 2: X (unmonitored conversations) is essential to democracy.

Why should I believe this? Because X falls under (sharing ideas freely)

For this reason^

Line 3: if we are not able to have a specific type of X

X* ( unmonitored internet conversations), we are failing at meeting the general broad principle (of democracy)

Why? Because X is needed for democracy (line 2) and Why do we think x is needed? because it falls under broad principle mentioned in line 1.

any thoughts?

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Tuesday, May 05 2020

#help what would the correct negation of B be?

lab conditions that ..blah blah.. can be unhealthy for animals.

It is not the case that lab conditions that... can be unhealthy for animals"

so

Would it be "lab conditions could be healthy" or

"lab conditions that ... must be healthy - "

Please explain why it would be which one if you know. Thanks!

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Saturday, Apr 04 2020

zermeenadurrani118

How to build stamina to get through all passages

Any tips? Pleaaaaaase

On a recent PT I put so much energy and effort into the first 3 passages so maybe that's why- but I totally died by the 4th passage and just guessed everything. I was also running out of time.. how do I get faster and better? And stay alert through all of them.

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Sunday, May 03 2020

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Tuesday, Sep 03 2019

zermeenadurrani118

Finished CC- where do i begin the practice? #HELP

Hello 7sagers

I have recently finished the CC and also took another diagnostic. Turns out I need more practice on LR sections and LG. With LG I am trying to fool proof some test. But for LR How do you reccomend practicing at this point? Should I just pull LR sections starting from the first PT?

Also, some have reccomended starting in the 50's practice tests as the other tests are older and different - any thoughts on that?

Thanks a lot.

Hello my fellow 7sagers.

I need opinions/advice. so I have been completing the 7sage cirrculum as per usual - currently STILL in the must be true Logical resoning section. I want to the write the september or Nov. lsat and im feeling like I should have started logic games section by now.

DO you reccomend I continue following the cirriculum order - and slowly go through LR as I currently am, and start logic games when I get there? orrrrr what if I started that section of cirriculum too and alternated between LR and LG studying 2 hours LR and 2 hours LG. or LR one day and LG one day? or is that too much brain fuckery? I thought it would help prevent burnout from one section (LR)....and also get me ready for LG. i study 4 hours max daily.. :(

I just feel like im going through the cirriculum slower than most and panicking I wont have enough time to improve on LG. since it is already June & I totally suck at them. BLAH. I'm also struggling with Must be True section of LR - feeling quite discouraged to even move forward. :(

any suggestions with regards to studying both sections or staying on one .. i feel like im moving at the pace of a turtle...

or any advice for the discouragement I feel :( with MBT Q's & continuing the cirriculum regardless..

thank you all

you're the best :)

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zermeenadurrani118
Friday, May 01 2020

@ said:

@ said:

@ said:

I liked to change up where I study. Picking a new study spot is refreshing, even if it's just in a different room of the house.

Nice tip! However, the distractions are reaaaaal in my crazy house lol. So i study in my dingy basement haha

I try to switch up where I’m studying too. I get too comfortable if I stay in the same place day after day. But I also have a lot of distractions in my house. What I end up doing is trying to get my assigned work done in my room and then if I feel like studying more, I may take it out to the living room for an hour or so. It’s not always super productive but it gives me a break from being in my room for so long so I guess that’s something!

Yes, good point!

Hi everyone,

I want a rough idea for how long it took some of you guys to complete the core curriculum; logic games section / Reading Comp and practice testing?

Also, Is there anything I can do to improve my focus? Sometimes I do one logic game and feel like I need a break....I want to be mentally stronger so I can sit there and get through more of the CC faster.

Any feedback is appreciated! Thanks everyone in advance.

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