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  • Frank JaegerFrank Jaeger Alum Member
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    Nothings impossible, but I would recommend you reschedule. You only have 3 shots at this over 2 years and you don't want to feel the pressure if you don't get your grade in Feb. Don't be stupid. If you do decide to do it and pull it off, maybe you could host your own webinar here.

  • dansykes94dansykes94 Core Member
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    I thought they got rid of the 3 LSATs cap?

  • akistotleakistotle Member 🍌🍌
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    LG is generally known to be the easiest section to improve on. But it takes some time to actually improve. I do think it's possible to go -0 on LG within a month, but I can't say that it is likely going to happen. It really depends on your understanding of logic.

  • 1000001910000019 Alum Member
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    So you need roughly 20 questions to move from a 150 to a 162. I don't know how quickly you pick up things, but for me I think that would have been reasonable. Unless you're a quick learner with games you're probably not going to get down to -0 in a month. Perhaps you should focus on 3 games, and guess on the 4th.

    You don't have that much time left so I'm not sure if working through the CC is a good use of your time. If you're adamant that you won't retake/delay the test, I'd suggest you focus on the more modern exams.

    If you're going -4/-5 in both LR sections combined, I doubt you'll be able to quickly cut that down further. You should experiment with RC and see if you can improve there.

  • Frank JaegerFrank Jaeger Alum Member
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    @dansykes94 said:
    I thought they got rid of the 3 LSATs cap?

    If that's the case, it won't hurt. But some schools may look at all your LSAT attempts.

  • dansykes94dansykes94 Core Member
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    Thank you for your replies. Its very encouraging. I'm happy with -5 on LR, after all I'm going for 165 not a 175.

    I forgot to mention, i have 50 percent extra time for the exam because i am visually impaired, hopefully that will help too.

    I'm kicking myself for not studying last year but i guess i still have one last crazy chance to pull this thing off.

  • westcoastbestcoastwestcoastbestcoast Alum Member
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    +1 to what @10000019 has said. One can improve in LR and RC but it takes more time to hone those skill than LG.

    @10000019 said:
    So you need roughly 20 questions to move from a 150 to a 162. I don't know how quickly you pick up things, but for me I think that would have been reasonable. Unless you're a quick learner with games you're probably not going to get down to -0 in a month. Perhaps you should focus on 3 games, and guess on the 4th.

    You don't have that much time left so I'm not sure if working through the CC is a good use of your time. If you're adamant that you won't retake/delay the test, I'd suggest you focus on the more modern exams.

    If you're going -4/-5 in both LR sections combined, I doubt you'll be able to quickly cut that down further. You should experiment with RC and see if you can improve there.

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @dansykes94 said:
    I took the December 2017 exam and i got a 142. It was essentially my diagnostic and a typical case of underestimating the LSAT. My main issue was timing, i did not finish half the questions because im a very slow reader.

    I joined 7Sage around the same time and I've been studying ever since. I'm registered to take the Feb LSAT and need a 165 so i can get into my dream school this fall (BC or BU). I could tolerate a 162, as it'll get me into a strong regional that i like. I'm going to submit application this month and ask them to finalize it once they recieve my Feb Score. Waiting a year just isnt an option so i'm planning on spending 250 hours until Feb 10th full time studying for the LSAT. It'll be about 5 hours in morning and 5 hours in the afternoon every day until then. I know its not ideal but i think its my only hope and its something i did very well in college.

    My untimed PT average is currently 155, timed is 150. Im usually like -4/5 in LR and -15-20 in LG and reading comp is like -10.

    I've not even begun to practice Logic games yet so im hoping to pick up 15 points there. I hear it is the easiest one to learn. I've spent all my time so far perfecting LR and i've not yet finished the core 7sage course.

    What do you guys think? can 250 hours give a significant improvement to LG and RC?

    I think that you can see some major improvement in 250 hours but I think going from a 155 (untimed) to a 165 timed in Feb on test day is a bit unrealistic. Unfortunately, that's just not how learning/improving on the LSAT works.

    Getting good at the LSAT reminds me a lot of when I was trying to get really good at playing the piano when I was younger. You not only have to learn the basics, finger placement, how to site read, etc. You need tons of hours of practice. And no matter how hard or intense your practice, it still just takes time before you see substantial improvement. You're essentially re-training your brain and that's something that can't be crammed into any set amount of hours.

  • LastLSATLastLSAT Alum Member
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    Yeah, it took me 6 months of full time study 6+ hours a day, 6 days a week to get from a 153 diagnostic to a 165 in December (although I was PTing in the mid 170s prior to the Dec. exam)... and this as summa cum laude double major haha. Undergrad performance is not a good predictor of LSAT performance. Don't underestimate this test—it already kicked your ass once! You may just want to plan on prepping thoroughly for June.

    There is no reason to rush on Feb. anyway since you're already at a massive disadvantage applying so late in the cycle with a weak first score. Retake and Reapply is the only real choice here if you're serious about BC or BU.

    Even if you were to apply for next year, you have absolutely no reason to take in Feb. since it's nondisclosed and you can't learn from your mistakes if you end up needing to retake in June.

  • Seeking PerfectionSeeking Perfection Alum Member
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    Your not crazy, but it is sort of wildly optimistic.

    However, let's grant that you get your 165 and get into BC or BU. If you can get to a 165 by February, then you can get a much higher score by say June. I would recommend studying at least until you hit a ceiling and stop inproving. Those ceilings can often be broken through so I don't think hitting one means you should stop studying, but if you were to gain 23 points in a couple of weeks or a month, then you could probably gain 5 or 10 more in 6 months. And those points would definitely be worth it.

    So if I were you I would wait a cycle study for June, retake in September if necessary and know you have done what you can to get into a school and get as much merit aid as you can with the best job outlook possible for you.

    They did get rid of the 3 take rule, but there still isn't anything to gain from taking a test before you are ready.

    I'd postpone a cycle and schedule a June take if I were you, but why not try out your ten hour a day logic games foolproofing strategy anyway. If you can get games 1-35 foolproofed quick that will give you more time to study RC which is usually harder to improve and to adjust to the timing of actual PTs and learn from them in blind review. If you can't push quite that hard and burnout it won't be a problem since it will be many months before your real test.

  • hawaiihihawaiihi Free Trial Member
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    @akistotle said:
    LG is generally known to be the easiest section to improve on. But it takes some time to actually improve. I do think it's possible to go -0 on LG within a month, but I can't say that it is likely going to happen. It really depends on your understanding of logic.

    I've gone from -8 on LG to -1/BR -0 in slightly less than a month, but granted you are starting off with -15/-20 on LG. It's doable, but you have to have a fairly good handle on logic first, like @akistotle said.

  • AspiringAspiring Free Trial Member
    edited January 2018 14 karma

    To reasonably assume you can get 165, you should be consistently PTing in the 167-169 range. Mid 150s to high 160s is a big PT jump that I think would take 2-3 months if you're lucky/smart. I would say you should reschedule for June.

  • LastLSATLastLSAT Alum Member
    edited January 2018 1028 karma

    Also, why the rush to go next year? If you know you want BU, just prep intensely for June (like you want a 170+) and apply Early Decision next fall. They guarantee a full tuition scholarship to anyone they accept through their Distinguished Scholar Binding Early Decision Program.

    Your reluctance to delay a cycle may not only cost you the opportunity to attend the school of your dreams, but is also likely to be a $150k+ mistake, even if you were to get in off your Feb. score. By June, you could dominate the LSAT and be competitive for a big scholarship like BU's ED program (or others if you decide to shoot higher).

    Don't limit yourself! Put in the work that this test requires and give yourself a real shot at the outcome you want, for free. Not to mention the application fees you'll save when the fee waivers come pouring in with a 165+ score.

  • Trust But VerifyTrust But Verify Alum Member
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    Im super optimistic, one can even say unrealistic, but you have to realize (as I have) that this test takes time to understand. You cannot "rush". I would drill LG until it becomes fun. LR has to be nearly perfect and maybe consider doing only 3 RC passages perfectly and guessing on the 4th. LG is your best bet in the time frame. Get that down to -1/0.

    Either way, everything is going to work itself out.

    Namaste

  • OhnoeshalpmeOhnoeshalpme Alum Member
    2531 karma

    In my opinion, waiting a year is always an option when law schools give out $100,000+ scholarships for high LSAT scores.

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