Hi guys,

I am confused with a logic inference.

According to a book, if A, then not B, can be notated like A-->/B or A(-|-)B. However, in 7sage, it is maybe notated like A(---)/B.

Here's the question.

  • E(-|-)F--> G -->H (the original one)
  • According to the question key, the inference is,

    G(--s--)/E

    F-->H

    H(--s--)/E

    But, if we use E-->/F to replace the part of E(-|-)F (because according to the very beginning of the post,A-->/B AND A(-|-)B are actually the same thing ), we get,

  • E-->/F--> G -->H (the replaced first )
  • then the inference are,

    E-->G-->H (this is very difference with the original above, which is not inference can be made like this)

    E-->H (Which according to the original above, there is not such inference can be made like this)

    /F-->H (which is different from the above original inference which is F-->H)

    However, if we replace the original part of E(-|-)F with E(---)/F, interestingly, the inference different with above two.

    Here we have:

    E(---)/F--> G -->H

    and the inference we have are

    except we can make the exactly same inference with the 2 ones, we also can infer that,

    G(--s--)/F

    G(--s--)E

    E(--s--)H

    these inferences are totally different with the original ones.

    the trick thing is according to the book, E(-|-)F is the same with E-->/F, and according to 7sage, actually E(-|-)F is E(---)/F, which leading to the hypothesis that if we replace the E(-|-)F to whatever these two different versions, the inferences made should be the same. Who can please clarify me?

    Thank you!

    Cynthia

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    3 comments

    • Tuesday, May 02 2017

      No, it's not a Bi-conditional. If A then not B is a not both rule: A ---> B, for it's not clear if it's required for A to even show up. "If...then..." is a conditional itself. The meaning of this statement does not equate a bi-conditional.

      Sami gave you a much more detailed breakdown of the inferences and possible errors made due to the confusion on the concept. It does a much better job of explaining the nuances on the logic.

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    • Tuesday, May 02 2017

      my question is whether E(-|-)F, E(---)/F, and E--->/F are the same thing?

      in other words, should the" if A, then not B" be biconditional notated?

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    • Tuesday, May 02 2017

      @cynthiawu82687 said:

      Hi guys,

      I am confused with a logic inference.

      According to a book, if A, then not B, can be notated like A-->/B or A(-|-)B. However, in 7sage, it is maybe notated like A(---)/B.

      Here's the question.

      E(-|-)F--> G -->H (the original one)

      According to the question key, the inference is,

      G(--s--)/E

      F-->H

      H(--s--)/E

      But, if we use E-->/F to replace the part of E(-|-)F (because according to the very beginning of the post,A-->/B AND A(-|-)B are actually the same thing ), we get,

      E-->/F--> G -->H (the replaced first )

      then the inference are,

      E-->G-->H (this is very difference with the original above, which is not inference can be made like this)

      I think over here you are making the mistake of equating F--->G

      and linking it in this chain with /F--->G

      In the first chain All things F are G

      In the second sentence you have linked up all things "not F" are G.

      They mean two different things.

      If you write it according to the first sentence:

      F-->G-->H

      and if you link it up with E--->/F you will get:

      F--->G----->H and F--->/E (contrapositive of the above sentence helps me to see the inference better)

      if all of F is G and all of F is /E, then we know there is at lease a some intersection between G and E. (G (-s-)/E)

      and if all of F is H and all of F is /E, the again there is a some intersection between H and /E. (H (-s-) /E)

      *These statements are equivalent to the inferences you derived in your first example.

      I hope this helps.

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