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Hello everyone,
Hope you're finding a way to maximize your LSAT prep in quarantine!
Just wanted to share that @"Cant Get Right" and I will be hosting a webinar on skipping strategy this
Saturday, April 11th at 7:30pm EST
Several of you have been asking about skipping strategy and specifically about what worked for me here:
https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/21717/140s-to174-thank-you-7sage
@"Cant Get Right" was my tutor when I was grinding and learning how to apply this skipping strategy was key to maintaining a consistent score range in LR
If you're interested in learning what it is, we'd love to tell you about it!
We're in the midst of preparing for the webinar and will be sharing the link soon.
Hope to see you there!
EDIT:
ZOOM LINK: https://zoom.us/j/5033908804
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@jhaldy10325 said:
Sounds great @msium662, thank you to you and @jhaldy10325!
@92950 said:
Sounds great!
@jparepally50 said:
@brandonsimon2018983 said:
@msium662 I would definitely be interested in another session but only if it's not too much trouble
Same!
@nicolekiprilov642 said:
I missed the first one as well. Thanks for offering a re-do.
@jmarmaduke96714 said:
Fantastic, thank you both!
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662, any news on when the recording might be available? As I said before, I am really interested on listening to this discussion. Thank you so much. :smiley:
@nicolekiprilov642 said:
@msium662 has the link been posted somewhere? I'm anxiously awaiting.
Hey all, I posted the new thread so feel free to post questions there!
Sounds great!
@brandonsimon2018983 said:
@msium662 I would definitely be interested in another session but only if it's not too much trouble
Same!
I missed the first one as well. Thanks for offering a re-do.
Fantastic, thank you both!
Sounds great @msium662, thank you to you and @jhaldy10325!
@rdelltownsel637 said:
@msium662 since I missed the last session, getting the same/similar session will be much appreciated!
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662, any news on when the recording might be available? As I said before, I am really interested on listening to this discussion. Thank you so much. :smiley:
@jmarmaduke96714 said:
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325
I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I would love to see the next webinar be a deeper dive that gets into more nuance. Thank you both so much for even considering taking the time to do another one of these!
@rdelltownsel637 said:
I think this is a great idea
@nicolekiprilov642 said:
@msium662 has the link been posted somewhere? I'm anxiously awaiting.
@92950 said:
@msium662 , I really appreciate your help and detailed feedback! I do think taking more control will continue to help me with confidence and establishing that I will be skipping a certian amount of questions up front can really help me do that. I will work on implementing this with timed LR sections.
Hey people! Updates to share:
@jhaldy10325 and I just discussed how the next session might look
In the interest of accommodating everyone who want a deeper dive and everyone who missed the first session and wants a chance to watch, here is what we will do:
We will present the same seminar again, but this time, we will spend more time on certain slides, discussing/answering questions that those who attended the first seminar have. This can be requests for further clarification, wonderings about what being well-calibrated means, or anything like, "what would you do if ___"
The next session will be held this Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 7:30pm EST
What does everyone think? if you're all down for this, I'll post another announcement of the next session and you can all share your questions there. That would give us time to curate and plan our presentation around!
@msium662 since I missed the last session, getting the same/similar session will be much appreciated!
Hi @msium662, any news on when the recording might be available? As I said before, I am really interested on listening to this discussion. Thank you so much. :smiley:
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325
I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I would love to see the next webinar be a deeper dive that gets into more nuance. Thank you both so much for even considering taking the time to do another one of these!
@rdelltownsel637 said:
@msium662 Can I have access to the recording or powerpoint deck? I'm very interested in this!
@rdelltownsel637 said:
I think this is a great idea
@92950 said:
@msium662 , I really appreciate your help and detailed feedback! I do think taking more control will continue to help me with confidence and establishing that I will be skipping a certian amount of questions up front can really help me do that. I will work on implementing this with timed LR sections.
Hey people! Sorry it’s taken some time. @jhaldy10325 and I are discussing about what another session may look like
It would be good for anyone to weigh in and let us know what would be better: a deeper dive following the last webinar or another session of the same content?
@msium662 Can I have access to the recording or powerpoint deck? I'm very interested in this!
@jhaldy10325 , so glad to hear you finally have internet back! Isolation with Covid-19 and no internet is enough to be a recipe for disaster. Thank you for your detailed response and explaination. I had never heard of planning on "skipping" a certian number of questions before nor had I seen the timing sheet or seen those confidence level percentages so it all felt new to me and I found myself with a ton of questions!
I also don't like the word " skipping" because I feel like I seldom truly skip a question. Once in awhile if I try to read the stiumlus and just can not engage with it or maybe I see a question that is highly conditional and I know I am going to want to map it out I might actually skip those on round one because I don't want to lose my rhythm and I want the time that I need to really map those out without feeling like I am not going to finish the section or I am getting stuck on a question early in the section. For the most part "skipping" for me looks more like eliminating answer choices or maybe being down to two answer choices, and feeling like I may have missed something in the stimulus and then wanting to flag the question to come back to on round two. I have particular question types like I feel more likely to flag and come back to on round two, like parallel flaw but I always read the stiumlus. Sometimes I will read the stiumlus identify a whole to part flaw, read the until anser choice B, see the same flaw, pick B and move on. As some of my struggle with confidence I likely will still flag that question.
I have not tried to take a section totally reckless, that scares me but I will try. I know that it will further help me to care about the end results. I have tried to take a section what I thought was very aggressivley ( 23 minutes for round one), and I flagged like 12 questions lol. Odd, but since I finished round one so quickly I even had time for round 3. With 12 questions flagged I also only missed 1 question and it was an over confidence error because as soon as I saw I missed something like question 7 when I was blind reviewing I was laughing. My BR score generally ranges from 176-180 ( I feel like I am just now really putting in the work on reading comp) so I suppose I am ready to try this and not care if I get most of them wrong. I love to reverse engineer things, it is how my mind works so I think I will enjoy the challenge, not of taking sections recklessly but of actually trying to figure out the test on a deeper level.
I think this is a great idea
Hey everyone, I’ve been without internet for most of the past week, but glad so many of you were able to benefit, and happy to do a follow up session for those unable to attend and for those wanting to go in greater depth.
To add to @msium662 ’s answers to questions:
@92950 said:
I was wondering where you came up with a specified number of questions to miss on round one? Was that induvidual? Based on score? And by skipping did you mean just skip totally or try to elminate a couple of answers and then skip?
The number of questions to skip is individual and flexible. Personally, I really only considered this number in hindsight as a metric for analysis. I found that when I was too conscious of it during the take, I would “ration” my skips based on questions that had come before rather than simply on the way the question in front of me was developing. On great takes, I’d skip maybe 2 or 3. On my worst, I skipped upwards of 12. That section occurred under very specific and extenuating circumstances, lol. Ultimately what is important is that the outcome was -1 which put me comfortably in my normal range on even a terrible section.
I go back and forth on whether or not I even like the term “skipping.” I never “skip totally.” Until I’ve attempted the question, I just can’t know whether I need to “skip” it. Rather, I think about it in terms of “moving on” at the right moment. If the right moment is fairly early, then perhaps I’ve “skipped” that question. So no need to work through AC’s necessarily, but that doesn’t mean you haven’t made an attempt. I suppose you might truly skip certain question types if you know you’re just that bad at them that an attempt is highly unlikely to be productive. If this is the case though, skipping is not a solution; it’s a stopgap for until you address the underlying fundamentals that make the question type so unreliable for you.
@92950 said:
Trying to become more aggressive in how I take the test has been helping me break into the next level but like I said I am under confident and get nervous about leaving questions open and having a lot of questions flagged. Do you think having a specific number of questions that I am planning on leaving unanswered round one will help me feel more confident? I should mention that my blind review score is consistently where I want to be timed.
My tendency is towards under confidence as well. The first time I ever did any time management work was when JY himself told me to take the test “recklessly.” Not just aggressively, the word he used was “reckless.” I was consistently BRing 179/180, so again, this is all dependent on solid fundamentals! But as an exercise, you need to try and go too far. If you never go too far, you’ll never know how far you can go. That was the first section I ever took where I truly wasn’t just concerned with what the outcome would be. My assignment was to be recklessly aggressive, not to score well. So that’s what I did. Of course, JY knew what he was talking about and there was a clear correlation to how well I accomplished the assignment and how well I scored. Over time, I was able to reverse engineer exactly why that worked. In the beginning though, this was not born and bred in a lab setting, it was caught in the wild of untamed recklessness, and I think it’s important to remember that.
So allow yourself to operate a wild, unrefined execution of this. From there, you want to analyze and articulate what you see happening and tame the beast. For starters though, it’s a great beginning to simply give yourself the freedom to kinda just go nuts. I often forget the very unscientific beginnings of my own genesis with timing strategy and I think I’d do well to keep it in mind. So let loose. The analysis, especially at the beginning, is for hindsight.
@92950 said:
@msium662 , I really appreciate your help and detailed feedback! I do think taking more control will continue to help me with confidence and establishing that I will be skipping a certian amount of questions up front can really help me do that. I will work on implementing this with timed LR sections.
Very cool!
@msium662 , I really appreciate your help and detailed feedback! I do think taking more control will continue to help me with confidence and establishing that I will be skipping a certian amount of questions up front can really help me do that. I will work on implementing this with timed LR sections.
@msium662 has the link been posted somewhere? I'm anxiously awaiting.
@msium662 You and @jhaldy10325 were already so generous to put on one webinar and I am sure that we are all grateful. However, I would certainly be one of the students interested in another session to touch on some concepts in more detail!
@92950 said:
@msium662 Thank you so much for your detailed response! I truly appreciate it. Underconfidence is an issue for me so I know the more answer choices I leave without a response the more I get into my head and let the self doubt take over and not stick to strategy. I had never thought about having a set number of questions to leave open on the first round. I have just been leaving open questions where: 1). I am not connecting with the stiumlus ( could be for a variety of reasons)
2). I have made a prediction and I am not finding an any answer choices that match the perdiction
3). I have made a prediction and two answer choices seem to be saying the same thing or are similiar enough that I know I will need additional time to parse out
4.) The stimulus is highly conditional or abtract
5. Sometimes parallel flaw/parallel reasoning where I might need to map out and don't want to lose time
I haven't really counted how many questions this adds up to be, I do sometimes start worrying about them and get tempted to go back but trying to work on not doing that. But do you think trying to have a set number of questions ( like the 6-7) that I am planning on leaving blank will help? Trying to become more aggressive in how I take the test has been helping me break into the next level but like I said I am under confident and get nervous about leaving questions open and having a lot of questions flagged. Do you think having a specific number of questions that I am planning on leaving unanswered round one will help me feel more confident? I should mention that my blind review score is consistently where I want to be timed.
Thank you again!
Hey!
no problem. Anxiety can never be eliminated but it can be managed. That feeling that "oh dear what is the AC? I just eliminated all of them" Or "is it A or B? they both sound the same!" is very real. So you have some choices. Do you go back and re-read? or do you just cut bait, move on, and come back for a second look? these are pre-determined decisions you need to know you will make before taking a section. That way, when you do encounter such a situation, you'll know what to do. Instead of lingering, wondering, agonizing, and burning more time, right?
So, on that note: yes having a pre-determined # of Qs you want to skip helps! Determining anything you know you will do when you encounter ____ on the test is a huge help for managing anxiety
In fact, it sounds like you already know what kind of Qs and issues get you! Most of them sound like the type that trigger: "GET OUT OF THERE NOW!" for me
Lastly, just remember: Why are we doing this? because we want to take the LSAT on OUR terms. That means we miss questions on our terms. we take question on our terms. We dont let the test dictate our rhythm; we determine how we plan to approach the section. That's why we know what kind of questions we want to skip and how many!
Doesn't even reading this and considering it make you feel more confident? imagine how it'll feel in practice!
@msium662 Hi Mike! I'm so sad that I could not attend. Is there a link where we can see the recording? Thanks.
@sergioshapiro13407 said:
@msium662 said:
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325 I could not make it to the webinar last night, I am on the West Coast, so that and life, made it a little inconvenient. I was wondering and very much hoping, if you guys recorded the webinar and if you will have it available somewhere, sometime?
I am really hoping to God you guys will have it in a cloud somewhere.
Please, lmk and thank you so much.
Hey Jeff, no problem. We did record the session and am thinking about where to make it available
If anyone is interested please let us know!
@msium662 Was only able to stay for a little so I'd love to hear the rest! As a recommendation, maybe post it as an unlisted video on YouTube so you can share the link to watch the video but it won't pop on your page/any search.
Cool idea! will have to talk to @jhaldy10325 and see what we can come up with!
@aliceshang153 said:
@msium662, I very would love having the copy of the presentation too! Both of you really did a great job last night! It was a professional presentation! Thank you!
Thank you so much for explaining how to decide the skipping numbers at above! I have a few questions too and hope to get your help. How did you calculate the time for the first round and 2nd round? You used the timer to time each question when you did PT or session? I know you did PT or Section in paper rather than in computer or tablet. Which tool did you use to take video for yourself and then you can watch the video to know how many time you spent for each question? Thank you so much again!
Hey Alice!
Yes so for recording time, I didn't worry about recording time DURING the take. I filmed myself and got the data from the recording. I used a gooseneck Iphone holder to hold my iphone while I filmed myself. Make sure you have a cable long enough to connect it to a charger!
@msium662, If it isn't too much trouble and there is another session I would love to attend. Sorry to ask so many questions, I am just unfamiliar with some of these concepts.
@msium662 I would definitely be interested in another session but only if it's not too much trouble