Hello everyone,
Hope you're finding a way to maximize your LSAT prep in quarantine!
Just wanted to share that @"Cant Get Right" and I will be hosting a webinar on skipping strategy this
Saturday, April 11th at 7:30pm EST
Several of you have been asking about skipping strategy and specifically about what worked for me here:
https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/21717/140s-to174-thank-you-7sage
@"Cant Get Right" was my tutor when I was grinding and learning how to apply this skipping strategy was key to maintaining a consistent score range in LR
If you're interested in learning what it is, we'd love to tell you about it!
We're in the midst of preparing for the webinar and will be sharing the link soon.
Hope to see you there!
EDIT:
ZOOM LINK: https://zoom.us/j/5033908804
68 comments
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325 I could not make it to the webinar last night, I am on the West Coast, so that and life, made it a little inconvenient. I was wondering and very much hoping, if you guys recorded the webinar and if you will have it available somewhere, sometime?
I am really hoping to God you guys will have it in a cloud somewhere.
Please, lmk and thank you so much.
Hey Jeff, no problem. We did record the session and am thinking about where to make it available
If anyone is interested please let us know!
Hey everyone, I’ve been without internet for most of the past week, but glad so many of you were able to benefit, and happy to do a follow up session for those unable to attend and for those wanting to go in greater depth.
To add to @msium662 ’s answers to questions:
@92950 said:
I was wondering where you came up with a specified number of questions to miss on round one? Was that induvidual? Based on score? And by skipping did you mean just skip totally or try to elminate a couple of answers and then skip?
The number of questions to skip is individual and flexible. Personally, I really only considered this number in hindsight as a metric for analysis. I found that when I was too conscious of it during the take, I would “ration” my skips based on questions that had come before rather than simply on the way the question in front of me was developing. On great takes, I’d skip maybe 2 or 3. On my worst, I skipped upwards of 12. That section occurred under very specific and extenuating circumstances, lol. Ultimately what is important is that the outcome was -1 which put me comfortably in my normal range on even a terrible section.
I go back and forth on whether or not I even like the term “skipping.” I never “skip totally.” Until I’ve attempted the question, I just can’t know whether I need to “skip” it. Rather, I think about it in terms of “moving on” at the right moment. If the right moment is fairly early, then perhaps I’ve “skipped” that question. So no need to work through AC’s necessarily, but that doesn’t mean you haven’t made an attempt. I suppose you might truly skip certain question types if you know you’re just that bad at them that an attempt is highly unlikely to be productive. If this is the case though, skipping is not a solution; it’s a stopgap for until you address the underlying fundamentals that make the question type so unreliable for you.
@92950 said:
Trying to become more aggressive in how I take the test has been helping me break into the next level but like I said I am under confident and get nervous about leaving questions open and having a lot of questions flagged. Do you think having a specific number of questions that I am planning on leaving unanswered round one will help me feel more confident? I should mention that my blind review score is consistently where I want to be timed.
My tendency is towards under confidence as well. The first time I ever did any time management work was when JY himself told me to take the test “recklessly.” Not just aggressively, the word he used was “reckless.” I was consistently BRing 179/180, so again, this is all dependent on solid fundamentals! But as an exercise, you need to try and go too far. If you never go too far, you’ll never know how far you can go. That was the first section I ever took where I truly wasn’t just concerned with what the outcome would be. My assignment was to be recklessly aggressive, not to score well. So that’s what I did. Of course, JY knew what he was talking about and there was a clear correlation to how well I accomplished the assignment and how well I scored. Over time, I was able to reverse engineer exactly why that worked. In the beginning though, this was not born and bred in a lab setting, it was caught in the wild of untamed recklessness, and I think it’s important to remember that.
So allow yourself to operate a wild, unrefined execution of this. From there, you want to analyze and articulate what you see happening and tame the beast. For starters though, it’s a great beginning to simply give yourself the freedom to kinda just go nuts. I often forget the very unscientific beginnings of my own genesis with timing strategy and I think I’d do well to keep it in mind. So let loose. The analysis, especially at the beginning, is for hindsight.
Wow there are so many follow up questions that makes me think either we didn’t go into enough detail or perhaps a sequel is needed to do a deeper dive..
Would anyone want another session?
What do you think?
@jhaldy10325
@rdelltownsel637 said:
@msium662 since I missed the last session, getting the same/similar session will be much appreciated!
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662, any news on when the recording might be available? As I said before, I am really interested on listening to this discussion. Thank you so much. :smiley:
@jmarmaduke96714 said:
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325
I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I would love to see the next webinar be a deeper dive that gets into more nuance. Thank you both so much for even considering taking the time to do another one of these!
@rdelltownsel637 said:
I think this is a great idea
@nicolekiprilov642 said:
@msium662 has the link been posted somewhere? I'm anxiously awaiting.
@92950 said:
@msium662 , I really appreciate your help and detailed feedback! I do think taking more control will continue to help me with confidence and establishing that I will be skipping a certian amount of questions up front can really help me do that. I will work on implementing this with timed LR sections.
Hey people! Updates to share:
@jhaldy10325 and I just discussed how the next session might look
In the interest of accommodating everyone who want a deeper dive and everyone who missed the first session and wants a chance to watch, here is what we will do:
We will present the same seminar again, but this time, we will spend more time on certain slides, discussing/answering questions that those who attended the first seminar have. This can be requests for further clarification, wonderings about what being well-calibrated means, or anything like, "what would you do if ___"
The next session will be held this Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 7:30pm EST
What does everyone think? if you're all down for this, I'll post another announcement of the next session and you can all share your questions there. That would give us time to curate and plan our presentation around!
@92950 said:
I would also love to have a copy of the presentation, I thought you both did a great job! I do still have a couple of questions. I was wondering where you came up with a specified number of questions to miss on round one? Was that induvidual? Based on score? And by skipping did you mean just skip totally or try to elminate a couple of answers and then skip?
Hey! glad you enjoyed it!
Deciding how many questions to skip will vary according to your comfort level. My optimum # was 6-7 but for someone else, it might be say, 4-5 or say 7-8. It will vary. Then, you'd determine how much time you need to allocated for this group of questions. Is it 7 mins? 10mins? 5mins?
What matters is that you test your ideas in a timed run and collect data before making an informed decision.
Skipping questions: this also depends on your decision calculus.
For me, I wanted to maintain a good rhythm and momentum throughout my timed run in round 1. That means I wasn't going to let any speed bumps trip me up and cause me to linger and waste time.
You can break momentum in many ways:
Maybe it's a question type you know you need more time to work with.
Maybe it's something that will require a lot of diagramming that you just dont have to do till the end. For ex: if this is going to take you 2:30 secs to do, is it a good trade off to do it now? better to leave it till later once you've picked off the lower-hanging fruit (questions you're 0.8 confident about)
Maybe you attempt a question, you read the stimulus and realize "wow this is so dense I have no idea" and that's when you decide to cut bait because no sense in wasting more time on this
Or if you saw my RRE example, the one where I went 0 CS on round 1 and .8 CS on round 2: Maybe you get to the end of the ACs and realize you just eliminated everything. You have to decide then and there "do I reset and go through it again?" or "it's better to just get distance and come back to this without the pressure of knowing there's still 10 more questions to go through" Often times there was something you overlooked in the stimulus that you just needed time away from to see
So, all this comes from having deep self examination from your timed takes!
It was a great webinar, thank you both @msium662 and @jhaldy10325 for sharing your knowledge! Really appreciate it!
This is going to be excellent. Big thanks to @msium662 for organizing this and finally getting it to happen. I feel like I've been referencing my intention to do this for quite a long time now, so it's past due! I'm also really excited about the formatting and having @msium662 to discuss things with. I think the more conversational presentation is going to be much better for everyone than just having me ramble on unchecked, lol. Can't wait, and see you all there!
@92950 said:
@msium662 Thank you so much for your detailed response! I truly appreciate it. Underconfidence is an issue for me so I know the more answer choices I leave without a response the more I get into my head and let the self doubt take over and not stick to strategy. I had never thought about having a set number of questions to leave open on the first round. I have just been leaving open questions where: 1). I am not connecting with the stiumlus ( could be for a variety of reasons)
2). I have made a prediction and I am not finding an any answer choices that match the perdiction
3). I have made a prediction and two answer choices seem to be saying the same thing or are similiar enough that I know I will need additional time to parse out
4.) The stimulus is highly conditional or abtract
5. Sometimes parallel flaw/parallel reasoning where I might need to map out and don't want to lose time
I haven't really counted how many questions this adds up to be, I do sometimes start worrying about them and get tempted to go back but trying to work on not doing that. But do you think trying to have a set number of questions ( like the 6-7) that I am planning on leaving blank will help? Trying to become more aggressive in how I take the test has been helping me break into the next level but like I said I am under confident and get nervous about leaving questions open and having a lot of questions flagged. Do you think having a specific number of questions that I am planning on leaving unanswered round one will help me feel more confident? I should mention that my blind review score is consistently where I want to be timed.
Thank you again!
Hey!
no problem. Anxiety can never be eliminated but it can be managed. That feeling that "oh dear what is the AC? I just eliminated all of them" Or "is it A or B? they both sound the same!" is very real. So you have some choices. Do you go back and re-read? or do you just cut bait, move on, and come back for a second look? these are pre-determined decisions you need to know you will make before taking a section. That way, when you do encounter such a situation, you'll know what to do. Instead of lingering, wondering, agonizing, and burning more time, right?
So, on that note: yes having a pre-determined # of Qs you want to skip helps! Determining anything you know you will do when you encounter ____ on the test is a huge help for managing anxiety
In fact, it sounds like you already know what kind of Qs and issues get you! Most of them sound like the type that trigger: "GET OUT OF THERE NOW!" for me
Lastly, just remember: Why are we doing this? because we want to take the LSAT on OUR terms. That means we miss questions on our terms. we take question on our terms. We dont let the test dictate our rhythm; we determine how we plan to approach the section. That's why we know what kind of questions we want to skip and how many!
Doesn't even reading this and considering it make you feel more confident? imagine how it'll feel in practice!
Will a recording be made available for those who are unable to attend?
@msium662 You and @jhaldy10325 were already so generous to put on one webinar and I am sure that we are all grateful. However, I would certainly be one of the students interested in another session to touch on some concepts in more detail!
@sergioshapiro13407 said:
@msium662 said:
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325 I could not make it to the webinar last night, I am on the West Coast, so that and life, made it a little inconvenient. I was wondering and very much hoping, if you guys recorded the webinar and if you will have it available somewhere, sometime?
I am really hoping to God you guys will have it in a cloud somewhere.
Please, lmk and thank you so much.
Hey Jeff, no problem. We did record the session and am thinking about where to make it available
If anyone is interested please let us know!
@msium662 Was only able to stay for a little so I'd love to hear the rest! As a recommendation, maybe post it as an unlisted video on YouTube so you can share the link to watch the video but it won't pop on your page/any search.
Cool idea! will have to talk to @jhaldy10325 and see what we can come up with!
@msium662, If it isn't too much trouble and there is another session I would love to attend. Sorry to ask so many questions, I am just unfamiliar with some of these concepts.
@msium662 I would definitely be interested in another session but only if it's not too much trouble
@msium662 said:
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325 I could not make it to the webinar last night, I am on the West Coast, so that and life, made it a little inconvenient. I was wondering and very much hoping, if you guys recorded the webinar and if you will have it available somewhere, sometime?
I am really hoping to God you guys will have it in a cloud somewhere.
Please, lmk and thank you so much.
Hey Jeff, no problem. We did record the session and am thinking about where to make it available
If anyone is interested please let us know!
@msium662 Was only able to stay for a little so I'd love to hear the rest! As a recommendation, maybe post it as an unlisted video on YouTube so you can share the link to watch the video but it won't pop on your page/any search.
Hello everyone,
We have included the Zoom link in the original post above
But here it is just in case:
https://zoom.us/j/5033908804
See you at 7:30pm EST!
@vjeffers4439 said:
I second @ishikawasarah192 . Just not sure if I will definitely be able to attend (due to holiday-related festivities), but would love to still be able to see it!! Thank you in advance.
Hey guys, we will likely record it and consider how to repost so no worries!
@andytk93583 said:
Hi. where are you holding this presentation? I'm super interested!!
Hey! it'll be on Zoom. Will share the link soon!!!
@jhaldy10325 said:
Sounds great @msium662, thank you to you and @jhaldy10325!
@92950 said:
Sounds great!
@jparepally50 said:
@brandonsimon2018983 said:
@msium662 I would definitely be interested in another session but only if it's not too much trouble
Same!
@nicolekiprilov642 said:
I missed the first one as well. Thanks for offering a re-do.
@jmarmaduke96714 said:
Fantastic, thank you both!
@sub0captures6 said:
Hi @msium662, any news on when the recording might be available? As I said before, I am really interested on listening to this discussion. Thank you so much. :smiley:
@nicolekiprilov642 said:
@msium662 has the link been posted somewhere? I'm anxiously awaiting.
Hey all, I posted the new thread so feel free to post questions there!
@msium662 since I missed the last session, getting the same/similar session will be much appreciated!
Hi @msium662 and @jhaldy10325
I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I would love to see the next webinar be a deeper dive that gets into more nuance. Thank you both so much for even considering taking the time to do another one of these!
@msium662, I very would love having the copy of the presentation too! Both of you really did a great job last night! It was a professional presentation! Thank you!
Thank you so much for explaining how to decide the skipping numbers at above! I have a few questions too and hope to get your help. How did you calculate the time for the first round and 2nd round? You used the timer to time each question when you did PT or session? I know you did PT or Section in paper rather than in computer or tablet. Which tool did you use to take video for yourself and then you can watch the video to know how many time you spent for each question? Thank you so much again!
I would also love to have a copy of the presentation, I thought you both did a great job! I do still have a couple of questions. I was wondering where you came up with a specified number of questions to miss on round one? Was that induvidual? Based on score? And by skipping did you mean just skip totally or try to elminate a couple of answers and then skip?
@brandonsimon2018983 said:
Is there a Zoom link for the event?
Hey! (and hey to everyone still wondering about this)
@jhaldy10325 and I are adding our finishing touches and will share the Zoom link shortly!
Hey everyone!
@jhaldy10325 and I just did a dry run reviewing our presentation for this saturday's webinar
We're feeling pretty great about it and we think you'll like it too!
hope to see you all this SATURDAY, APRIL 11 7:30 pm EST!
excited!
I'm curious to see an effective strategy and hoping to be able to apply it.
Sounds great!