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Hi all,

Looking for a little reassurance because I'm kinda stressed after taking my LSAT Writing. I feel I made a really strong argument but it took me to the last second to finish. When I looked it over I realized with horror that I had made a couple of grammatical errors and big one repetition error ("This person should choose this should choose option this because blah blah blah..") in the very first sentence T_T

How much will that hurt me? Do they care about computer/editing errors more then content or am I okay since I made a solid argument?

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anthonyserifsoy171
Sunday, Aug 25 2019

@lucykelly459 I do! Two in fact are going to write some hopefully stellar letters of rec for me! I'm hoping it can compensate for my lack of GPA.

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Sunday, Aug 25 2019

anthonyserifsoy171

What if I don't have a GPA?

I attended an honors liberal arts college where we didn't have a traditional grading system. Instead we had a pass/fail style program. This means that I don't have any kind of GPA. The LSAC guidelines say that my narrative evaluations will not be converted into a GPA and says "Credits for the work in these courses are totaled and reported separately as unconverted credits.".

Given that I am not sure how to evaluate my chances of getting into schools/receiving scholarships since every estimator asks me for a GPA. Anyone have any insight into this? Is there a placeholder GPA I can use? Does it hurt? Help?

My LSAT is 172. I'm would go to NYU if I could get a good scholarship, but I'm looking to do exclusively Public Interest so I don't really need to go to a T-14.

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anthonyserifsoy171
Friday, Aug 23 2019

@kingse414 sorry if I was unclear. No matter what I decide I'm keeping the 172. The question is just whether I should take the September test as well.

Also after doing more research, I will not be applying to Columbia or Georgetown. However I will be applying to NYU.

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Thursday, Aug 22 2019

anthonyserifsoy171

Would I Be Considered an URM?

It seems like it's a pretty narrow category , so think I might not qualify but I wanted to double check.

I'm mixed race (half middle eastern half white). I'm also a trans women and queer I know that isn't race and ethnicity.

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Thursday, Aug 22 2019

@kingse414 well if I were to retake, I would study for the next month. Which means I couldn't work on application materials for the next month, which means I would probably apply a month later than I would if I canceled. That's the decision to make. I think if I studied for the next month, and something didn't go wrong on test day, I could probably get a 174-176 or so.

If I didn't study more and just took it I'm sure I'd do worse then 172 bc of atrophy of the skills.

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Wednesday, Aug 21 2019

@danielevansmarino211 That's helpful insight. I don't really wanna go to Columbia but it made my list as a potential in the case I got like a high 170s score. I would attend NYU if I could get a strong scholarship, but I think that would probably come in the form of one of their public interest scholarships anyways. It's hard to tell if a 173-175 second score would help more then an extra month of working on application materials since I've heard these scholarships are about a lot more then your LSAT score. Still unsure but I'm leaning towards not retaking.

@lucykelly459 Thank You! Did you end up taking it?

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Wednesday, Aug 21 2019

Thank you everyone form voting so far! For those of you who voted yes/no anyone have insight into why or why not?

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Wednesday, Aug 21 2019

Congrats on reaching your goals!!! You worked so hard and it payed off!!

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Wednesday, Aug 21 2019

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That Was Unexpected: Should I Retake in September?

This community has been so helpful to me so I'm hoping you all can advise me (sorry for the lengthy post)

I just got my score for July back and it was higher than I thought it would be given how hard the test felt (yay!). I got a 172. Originally I was planning using July as a practice, since this was my first actual test and I had only taken 3 PTs before it and I figured I could do better, so I registered for the September test before I even took the July test. Since my score was higher than expected I'm not so sure I actually should even take the September one. My post diagnostic PT scores have been 170/173/173/175 (this past weekend). Every BR I've done has been 179.

I am not striving to go to a T-14. I want to practice public interest law, there's a very high possibility I want to become Public Defender but I also want to learn more about immigration law, labor law, or some sort of progressive policy council. No part of me will EVER want any kind of corporate or non public interest law. The biggest thing I am looking for in schools I am applying to be able to go tuition free (ideally with living expenses covered as well) as I don't want to take on debt since I won't be able to pay it off with the kind of law I want to practice.

My undergrad was pass/fail so I don't have a GPA but it was a pretty good school. I have been in the workforce for almost 6 years doing working as a general manager of a business, a mid-higher level work for nonprofits, and I am about to start a job as a Union Field Representative.

My list of schools (with the 75th percentile score in parenthesis) I wanted to apply to initially are as follows:

NYU (172), CUNY (158), Seattle University (157), American University (160), Cardozo (162), University of Washington (165). I've also been considering Georgetown (168) and Columbia (167/172/174-this is the 25/50/75th percentile list).

My considerations over the decision are below:

If I decide to retake, I think there is a very reasonable chance I could score in the 174-177 range. Since July I have studied a lot and really shored up some of my weaknesses in logical reasoning. I'm assuming a higher number will make it easier for me to get a full ride. It's possible if I blew it out of the water I'd consider higher placed school, but since I'm doing Public Interest I don't really see the need to.

If I decide to withdraw and not retake, I free up the next month to focus on getting my application materials together (something I haven't done at all) and could likely apply earlier as a result (October instead of November). I've been told that applying earlier increases my chance for getting scholarships. I'm also starting a new job on Monday so I can devote more attention to adjusting to that. I also don't run the risk of somehow bombing a test and hurting my 172 average I currently have.

Given all of this, what do you all think I should do? Feel free to ask questions!! Thank you!

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anthonyserifsoy171
Wednesday, Aug 21 2019

I have the exact same question with the exception of me getting a 172, but I also don't have a GPA and would like to go to NYU in public interest.

Sorry to piggyback. Congrats!

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Monday, Aug 19 2019

anthonyserifsoy171

Evaluate Questions Lesson?

Hi there,

Is there a lesson as part of the CC where the process for approaching LR Evalutate questions is covered? If not is there a particular problem/ set of problems JY works through where he explains his strategy in detail?

Thanks yall

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anthonyserifsoy171
Friday, Aug 09 2019

@rahelaalam514 okay! I’ll try that approach. Thank you for the tips and examples, especially letting me know that writing stuff out in Lawgic is rarely the correct thing to do. I’ve found that when I don’t do that and just go for it, I am often correct and less confused, so I will try more of that.

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anthonyserifsoy171
Friday, Aug 09 2019

Sometimes I do, other times I just do it over 2 days on a weekend then take the week to study what I was weaker on.

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anthonyserifsoy171
Thursday, Aug 08 2019

This is what i was gonna say as well, if the word exciting wasn't included I think you could make an argument for A to also be a correct answer. Since "most committed" does not necessarily mean "will vote 100% of the time"

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Thursday, Aug 08 2019

@thecmancan884 I'll try being more intuitive. I've seen some other courses have other methods too, such as looking only for words that are in the premise but not the conclusion or vise versa in the answer rather that answers that use words in both, but its still confusing. Not sure why. I might just have to accept that i'm not great at these.

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Monday, Aug 05 2019

@rahelaalam514 @jhaldy10325 I'll try splitting it then! I usually only split when I feel like I can get mostly solved game board afterwards, so splitting just for the sake of visual representation will be a new thing for me but I'm willing to bet it will take less time then me forgetting my rule and having to backtrack.

Thanks!

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Monday, Aug 05 2019

anthonyserifsoy171

Trouble with SA and PSA Questions, help!

Hi all,

I've been studying for a little over 7 months but I've always had trouble with Sufficient Assumption and Pseudo Sufficient Assumption questions. I get them right a lot of the time but it takes forever, and writing out the lawgic often makes it worse for me.

I don't think JYs method works for me very well. I understand the principles of lawgic but I have a lot of trouble when the logic chains they present use slightly different subjects/are not worded in the same way. It's also really easy for my brain to get it all jumbled.

Anyone else have this issue? What worked for you?

Are there other methods for approaching these outside of writing out logic chains that can work?

#help

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Not sure how to word this but;

how do you all set up your in-out board to represent a not both rule when the rule has an and/or statement in it.

For example If A is in then B and C are out or vise versa.

If it was just A -> /B then I know I can put A/B in my out group, but I'm not sure how to represent it when there's an and involved.

Does that make sense?

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anthonyserifsoy171
Wednesday, Jul 17 2019

Didn't intend for people to give away anything protected! Thanks for you point everyone. Folks should feel free to wait until (next week?) to answer.

I'm mostly looking to see if folks felt the test format has changed a lot in recent tests and what pre testing rituals folks engage in (ie LG set before)

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Tuesday, Jul 16 2019

Anything you wish you studied before? Sounds like comparative passages?

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Tuesday, Jul 16 2019

Folks who took the test: If you were gonna retake it/ could go back in time, what do you wish you had studied/brushed up on before hand?

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Monday, Jul 08 2019

It's been a little longer, anyone figured out a good method yet?

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anthonyserifsoy171
Monday, Jul 08 2019

@jy-ping thank you for tagging the resources!

Are there any other new question types we should be on the lookout for?

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