I second WinningHere's advice, especially with the first two passages, which are almost always easier than the third passage. In fact, I don't think I've ever done an RC section where passages 1 or 2 were harder than 3. If you're comfortable with those, I think it's probably fine to quickly get the layout on the 3rd one and if for some reason it is immediately difficult to parse, do the same for the 4th passage very quickly and go from there.

I personally don't think this is all that helpful; there are only 4 passages, not a lot of different combos to try out if you grant the first 2 as "easier" (must-do) and the last two as "harder/trickier" (finish 1, hopefully both). I never feel like any of the passages are "harder" than any others, just some take longer to read than others, but you don't really know that until you've started reading it. RC is my strongest section at this point; I've taken 3-4 PTs from the 80s recently and from those, usually 1-2 incorrect answers total on RC. Same with LG, but that took a lot of practice.

With RC, just try not to get sucked in to any part of a given passage, don't overthink it as you're reading it, don't worry about whether you're mapping the argument from a passage totally accurately "in media res", self-consciously pestering yourself to focus on reading comprehension. Just read the whole thing, as long as you get all the main ideas you can usually re-read the intro/conclusion super quickly and move on to the questions, knowing more or less what kind of questions you're gonna get (like knowing, by feel and by sight, particular keywords/phrases that are likely to be asked about later).

I just thought of this one RC passage about deep well drilling/permeable rock and that is a good example of an RC that is pretty hard to parse quickly, and easy to get questions wrong if you hurry too much. But, for me, sometimes it's best to just accept that the passage is a little confusing and move on. Almost without fail, answering the first couple questions about a passage like that makes up for what I didn't pick up on my read through, guiding my focus to particularly key parts of the argument where I can spend a minute or two to arrive at my answer choice. Like with LG sometimes having very little initial inferences/diagrammable info at the outset, you can get your sense of orientation from the questions on RC once you've at least read the passage (as in, don't read any of the questions first and then read the passage, I can't see any benefit to that with RC).

Just did retake LG-LR-RC-LR

Pretty good order of section types imo. I also kinda like 4 sections with a 10 min break tbh, at least no less than the 3 section iteration. No particularly challenging sections, but I personally am still to slow on my 3rd time sitting for this exam. Already signed up for October, which is certainly my last attempt no matter what. Feel really good, just have to double down on timed PTs.

These calls are included with the basic trial as well? I definitely want to catch this one, and can pay for a month if needed.

Finished undergrad 11 years ago holla!

Scheduled Tuesday around 5-6pm. Third time taking the LSAT remotely, third time scheduling last day early evening. I know no other way.

I would file a test day complaint for sure, but they can (happened to me in April) choose not to offer the retake since you were exposed to and completed the exam. For the June exam, due to mysterious network issues on my end, I wasn't able to connect with a proctor and thus couldn't start the test at all. When I was on the phone with LSAC, they said the key difference between April and June in terms of retake eligibility was that I had actually taken the whole exam despite several major issues with the proctor, one of which caused me to lose 3-4 minutes on the LG section (angle of my webcam was apparently wrong, but old laptop had webcam embedded in keyboard, so I had to find books in my room to stack up and put the laptop on top on my desk. Horrible, bought a webcam after that. They denied me a retake though and just straight up cancelled my score instead, but other test takers have experienced different outcomes with very similar circumstances, so ymmv.

Hey! Just reread my post and sorry for over explaining stuff you already know; it sounds like you've got a really solid read on things, but I wanna say that my post was a little too cynical; there are tons and tons of great PI lawyers in NYC and it isn't some total cesspool haha. I think I'm leaning toward CUNY bc of cost and everyone there is PI, but I would get in-state tuition which is only $15k at full price. That, for example, would be a much diff scene. But it really isn't a school people move cross-country to attend.

As for NYU, it just isn't happening. I have a 2.82 LSAC GPA and I'm 34, I promise you no one like me is gonna get in to NYU. It is 1000% my dream school and I would borrow whatever it took to go, but they ain't letting me in. My instincts honestly tell me Columbia would be more likely than NYU, but even then it's a hail Mary.

Cardozo, however, I will probably add. And subtract Georgetown lol. Cardozo is totally decent and they often award a lot of aid, have strong faculty and definitely place graduates all over the city. It's also below 14th street which is great. I don't like the part of Queens where CUNY is located, but as we can both prob agree, prob shouldn't be swayed by silly things like that. And queens is actually semi affordable in terms of COL anyway.

If you have one of the paid 7sage plans, the amount of info and user data they have for every single question and answer choice is pretty substantial. It might help you or not, but it's all there really.

I live here and my situation isn't ideal at home but I dunno what to tell you besides cheap hotel room or Airbnb. I dont really know what I am going to do for August, but June was a real pain. And I don't have ac, so by August who knows how untenable it will get haha

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Also maybe I'm just weird, but I found that a really good mouse helps, for scrolling and especially if you use the cursor to track reading or you employ the annotation tools. I tried my kid's gaming mouse, and it felt so much better I got one of my own.

Oh my god! What a great suggestion, I never thought about an external mouse, but yeah that would be way way better than dealing with my trackpad and stuff. I'm going to buy one tonight, easily one of the best bits of advice I've read this week!

Mike Kim's LSAT Trainer and accompanying website are genuinely really solid. I, too, have moved on from it and don't even think about whatever his LG diagramming system entails; aside from some targeted things I need to work on, I'm happy with my instincts regarding diagramming and just do what makes the most sense to me. Most of the time, it's not far off from the powerscore examples or really any other site. For LG and diagramming, I think I've picked up wisdom from all sorts of sources, but I personally have to just do the templates and diagramming as it occurs to me for a particular game, only afterward reflecting on how it could have been handled better.

However, I also spun my wheels for a while after the trainer and hesitated for way way too long to pay for preptest plus and still haven't signed up for 7sage. Waiting on a fee waiver appeal, so we'll see.

Without any firsthand experience, I'll just say that immersing yourself in online environment such as 7sage is going to be a whole lot better for you for a lot of reasons than putzing around with more print books or haphazard self-study. I did haphazard self-study and my main problem is my performance just isn't consistent, which probably means my fundamentals are weak in certain areas and I'm not even seeing what I'm doing wrong to be able to fix it, so as soon as I get that waiver, I'm going to do 7sage AND LSAT Demon, but with no interest in core curriculum beyond cherry picking some lessons.

As for where you should start with 7sage given that youve done the lsat trainer, off the top of my head is do a lot of practice and get as much exposure to real test questions as possible, real sections, real whole preptests, and I'm sure while doing that you'll quickly find out which resources you wanna use from the options provided with 7sage premium memberships. So what I'd say is just start doing tests and poring over the results on 7sage asap, and the rest will come in to better focus

I would register for both and reassess after taking the June, and/or sign up for score preview if possible. Ive only taken it once and I definitely wasn't ready the first time, but personally it helped ground me for the rest of the year and kept me humble about the entire process. And honestly, PTs are PTs, you still don't really know where you stand until you take it. For me, my timing was so bad that I canceled my score the day after I took the test, but I blanked like 15 q's. For you, you could cancel the score, do score preview and cancel and retake, keep score and retake, or god willing, ace it the first time and cancel the June one and set prep books on fire in the middle of the street outside your house and rub it in the noses of "da haters" on social media and back home. In all scenarios, I don't see the downside with taking it twice at all in your situation, but I guess if you're worried it will psych you out or undermine your confidence then bear those things in mind.

I just think especially with the unusual circumstances of the lsat-flex and all that stuff, you can only get more familiar/comfortable with the LSAT in terms of logistics as well as time management/real world stress and other variables and contingencies.

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> > It's so strange to me that everyone seems to breeze over LG... even this post says, "accept that you're just not that good at LR and RC." Is it just assumed that LG is easy for the vast majority of people?!

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> > I've been studying LG for 3 months solid and I'm going -10 still. Any time something I haven't seen before pops up (which feels like every time), I get stuck and feel I can barely complete the game. I'm still out here drilling and fool proofing LG.... ad nauseam.

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> > Meanwhile I go -1 to -3 on RC generally, maybe -3 to -5 on LR...and without really having had to do too much. In fact, I score **_worse_** when I try to implement things I've learned on 7Sage in those sections... so I've just decided to go on intuition mostly. Why am I so backwards from everyone else?!

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> Are you a philosophy or English major? Have you struggled in math or stem classes? Just a thought since I know people who are great at RC or LR to start with have a background in those first areas. I don't know if you are backwards from "everyone", rather the people who speak up most about struggling with a section happen to be people who are okay with logic games. Additionally I agree with what you're saying in that it is often assumed that LG is perfect or near perfect in many posts, which might be why people do not say that they struggle with it, since they think they are unusual. Just an anecdote, but I feel like it might be helpful for you. I am in an LSAT class with 9 other people, and only 3 of the 10 of us have ever gotten -0 on LG or even close. So that's 70% of this group where LG is still a major challenge for them. You are definitely not alone!

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Lol I double majored in philosophy and english and LG is also my only glaring weakness after a year of prep.

Just sub "legal writing" with "lsat prep" and it works:

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Feel this very strongly as well. But lots of high scorers airball PT's here and there, I definitely do at least once a week. There is no reason to be hard on yourself, it's an intimidating experience with a lot at stake. I wish I was scoring better on PTs, but i have about 6 weeks to tackle a few specific weaknesses and if those are remedied, I will feel a lot better on test day and pretty ready to log my final and best lsat performance.

Self-confidence wont make you a better student, but without it, you can't really ace the LSAT. I don't have answers really, but keep practicing unitl you nail a really really tough LG or RC passage during prep and fucking go celebrate. Then, More Practice, more command of material every day until mid august. and breaks for when you hit milestones. It's really impossible to just conjure up a super well-adjusted version of yourself, but you need to do the work in Prep and sooner or later the confidence will come!

My list:

Fordham

Columbia

Northeastern

BU

Georgetown

CUNY

90% chance I go to Fordham btw.

Honestly, no one really knows what to expect. In an ordinary year, I think a bright, ambitious student with an amazing lsat score and a 3.15 gpa gets in to UCLA. Maybe not NYU which honestly sounds like your best fit, but it is ridiculously expensive to move to new york to attend nyu law anyway. Like $300,000 all told, and I'll tell you since I live in Manhattan, it's only getting more expensive to live here. By Fall 2022, it will be as prohibitive as before the pandemic and housing will most likely be more expensive.

With that said, I have a lot of overlap with significant interest in critical theory, PI, constitutional law and probably a lot of other leftist intellectual this-and-that. And NYC is the only city in America with such deep ties to left/radical movements, an enormous range of affinity groups and, in good times, endless access to intellectual culture. I dont really know LA at all, do they even believe in housing policy? Is it a felony to be homeless?

NYC is the only real progressive city in America, but you don't have make it the home base for law school necessarily. And this is the last I'll say, which I only say bc my friend who just finished at fordham has made sure I don't have any illusions about law school:

Unless you go to Yale, Harvard, NYU, Columbia, etc and enjoy legal writing/law review/journal/research, there is no intellectual milieu in law school like you may imagine. I did, at least. Not that you can't concentrate on gender/sexuality or thereabouts, but you're not gonna be in a grad seminar talking about Judith Butler and Michel Foucault and structures of power and domination in a highly normative society. Unless it's Yale or similar, law school isn't exactly an intellectual salon of ideas; the majority of your peers are the same people you didn't like in undergrad classes and even if you like them now, everyone is focused on finishing law school so they can go get paid and start practicing in their field. In other words, everyone's there to get a JD and decent job prospects and 90% are solely in it for the money.

I say all that just so you know! only the very elite law schools really foster that culture, and being a professor and doing legal theory writing is like a unicorn job only given to yale grads.

It took me a while to accept, but law school is nothing like a liberal arts grad program/dept. Most of your peers will not have any idea what critical race theory is, nor care, and that's just the truth. There will be all sorts of PI-adjacent opportunities to meet like minded people, but everyday life as a law student is apparently pretty standard stuff. I would say, and this is my plan, to focus on constitutional law, legal writing/law review and whatever your main segment of law ends up being. For me, I am doing housing and hopefully one day in a position to be writing progressive policy at a federal and/or city level. Not likely, but I would nail the fundamentals of 1L and then in 2L and 3L start seeking out your affinity groups and shit. But just be prepared for the majority of your peers to reject any notion of the personal being political and the professional being political and are just in it for the sweet six figure salary, not fighting injustice or reducing any of the widespread suffering in every city in this country.

I've never actually been to law school yet, but i'm confident my friend's takeaway is pretty accurate. If anyone wants to call me out for being full of shit, I know, I'm sorry.

Law School is mostly attended by future or current assholes, just like civilian life.

Thank you this is crucial info!!