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Tbh, as corny as it might sound, I've been very surprised with how generally cool my classmates are. The vibe in my section is like we're all on the same team. People are helpful with sharing notes, we have an active FB group for events, and everyone is pretty friendly/adjusted (for the most part).

Will this change as finals get close? Who knows. But at least for now I've been pleasantly surprised.

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Alex, hope all is well with your prep! Good to see you still manning the forums! The hardest thing so far has been the time commitment. I was aware that 1L is hard work and time consuming and blah blah blah... But be prepared to put in the hours. The issue isn't so much the difficulty of the material; yes, some topics are confusing and may seem counterintuitive at first.. but you will get it. So far I've found it helpful to focus on the big picture of course and continuing to grind

To further elaborate on time stuff... I'll typically have 10-20 pages of reading per class meeting (usually 2 classes per day except one day in which I have 3). This might not sound like a lot, but the material is dense, and I usually knock out 10 pages per hour. This isn't a hard rule, but just what I've noticed do far. On top of regular reading, I have a writing assignment due next week, outlining to start, etc etc.

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Eh, I'm not convinced about this, but can't really comment since I haven't received any grades yet. Think about it this way.. at my school the difference between the 25th and 75th LSAT is like 3 points in score.. If you're scoring at a high level, this is only a handful of questions or fewer separating the vast majority of a 1L class. To me, that difference could result from a host of factors that may not directly translate to law school performance.

I guess my point is don't get too tied up with your LSAT score. Is it hugely important for getting in and getting scholarship $$$, YES. Do I think that someone who scored way higher than others will on balance do better than the rest of the class? Sure, probably. But IMO, everyone will be so close in score anyway, and law school material is so different than the LSAT (despite the test requiring that you utilize certain similar skills), that I don't think our section rankings will pan out in accordance to LSAT scores.

I'm also pretty sure that there are some studies measuring law school performance to entering gpa/lsat which show a weak or moderate correlation..but you'd have to look into that yourself

Let's also not forget that Northeastern doesn't give out traditional grades or class rank. This further adds to the need to distinguish yourself while in law school through co-ops, internships, etc.

I think if OP wants public interest within Boston, Northeastern for free is better than T14 with debt. But by choosing the full ride, you need to understand that many career options may be closed.

Check out Northeastern's recent ABA employment disclosures:

http://www.northeastern.edu/law/pdfs/careers/statistics-2016.pdf

http://www.northeastern.edu/law/pdfs/careers/statistics-2015.pdf

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Thanks for the reply! The thing is, these co-op work experiences are offered through the University.. so I'm not sure they qualify as the kind of "gaps" that that question refers to.

Would it make sense to submit it as an optional attachment, referencing something that appears on my transcript and explaining it further? I've always heard it's best not to add extra information unless it's absolutely necessary. I don't want to give them extra reading unless it's something I have to do

Can't you just compare your answer sheet to what the "item response report" or whatever that chart breakdown says?

Then, if there are any discrepancies apply for hand scoring

Various people here, on TLS, and Reddit have called LSAC and have received inconsistent answers about when the scores are coming. Someone on Reddit claimed to talk to someone who said today specifically.

Until scores actually come out it could be today or tomorrow.

From what I've always heard primetime gray period is 3-5pm est and scores come out in waves once the icons go gray.

In June 2016 I noticed gray around 4pm and had my score in email by 4:35.

It's an anticlimactic end to days/weeks of agonizing waiting

I'm going to be contrarian here and say the difference of an upward trend will be minimal.

Your gpa is your gpa..that's what law schools have to report for rankings purposes so the number itself is what matters.

However, if three students had the same gpa, but one had a big upswing while one was steady and one struggled down the stretch..I'd say the advantage probably goes to the upswing applicant (all other factors equal). So while it's definitely good to trend upward towards the end of UG, I don't think it's a noteworthy factor to the extent that it would make admissions consider your gpa to be higher than what the final number is.

I'm sticking with tomorrow, no way LSAC would work on a Sunday to do us a favor like that

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Definitely take a chill pill here. Who knows how LSAC will handle it, I doubt the past will have much to do with what happens this time considering how unusual the situation you're describing is.

You legitimately have no control over what happens here. Really not worth stressing about imo

@ where can I find the Spivey article?

I feel like the most notable takeaway from 78 was clay tablets and some tricky LR questions.

Seems like a lot of people were tripped up by the lacquer passage and obviously the virus game was a curveball. True, LR seemed pretty straight forward but there were still some curve breakers.

My guess is -12 but definitely hope for -13

Anyone remember the # of questions per game in the LG? I remember the first had 5 and the last had 6; unsure of the middle 2.

Apologies in advance if this breaks rules for being too specific, feel free to remove or I'll edit myself.

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Real. 2 LRs and I had it

Ehhh I think it depends on how you think the other sections went.

I'm going to assume you mean that you got rocked by the LG? Seems like that's what most people are feeling.

Like @.rizeq says, if it's your 3rd take and you have a previous take that you crushed it on, you might want to consider canceling. But if it was your first take, or you had a previous meh take, I'd say don't cancel.

Remember, schools (aside from like Yale), only care about your highest take. No point in not seeing what happens imo.

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And that's the nature of the beast with RC. Maybe I felt so good about it because I had it 3rd, and had just come off of crushing an LR and what I thought was a real LG. Ugh

@ Hope you guys talk about the RC difficulty because I couldn't tell. Questions felt super fucking hard while passages were quite easy. idk.

I personally thought the RC was easy-ish, and RC is generally my worst section. The Licour (or whatever art passage) was def the most challenging. I guess I was just more interested in the subject matter (weight lifting, Ancient people, contracts), so I had an easier time grasping the passages

@ Isn't the LSAT not curved? Please forgive me if I've wrong! LSAC's methods have always mystified me.

Sorry, curve may not be the best way to put it. LSAC basically uses experimental sections to create a scoring scale a few years in advance.

So that Virus game (or a similar variation), was likely given as an experimental a few years back. LSAC tweaks it as necessary and uses the way students score on said games/sections in order to develop scoring scales for particular tests. Make sense?

That's why sometimes it's -11 for a 170 and other times it can be as high as like -13.

I'm hoping this one is on the -13 side. Since there were 101 questions, you'd need 88 correct for the 170

Really hoping for a forgiving curve given that ridiculous virus game

While it's up to the proctor in the end, Don't worry about it.

My photo also does not fit perfectly, but I called LSAC asking about it and they said as long as the proctor can clearly identify its you, you'll be fine. I used this same photo for June and didn't have an issue.

While proctors vary, these are generally people who proctor various different types of exams to earn some extra cash on the weekends. Sure, some are super anal and strict, but most aren't out to disqualify people before the exam starts on minor photo technicalities.

So long story short...if it's clearly you, and the picture basically fills the whole box, you should be fine. There's nothing you can do about it now anyway so worrying will only hurt you psychologically in the long run.

Good luck tomorrow

Echoing what everyone else wrote. 7sage proctor app follows LSAT protocol so hopefully your proctor will too

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I'm in a somewhat similar situation as you insofar as my average/real score in June 2016. What changed between your pre June and post June PTs? Were the lower score PTs from the 70s? Were they retakes? Curious about the situation so I can get a better gauge on it.

On to Fordham, I think @ is right on. With a 3.5/163 you're right in their median wheelhouse (based on their class of 2018 medians of 3.53/163). I'd say you're likely to be accepted, especially if applying on the early side, but a higher LSAT would basically ensure it.

Personally, I'd recommend taking the exam again Saturday or punting until December. Most schools only look at your top LSAT score so there's kind of nothing to lose (aside from the time/mental energy you're putting into the LSAT).

Regardless, congrats on putting yourself in an excellent position to get into your dream school. Good luck with whatever decision you make and be sure to post an update if (when) you get in!

I think it's definitely most important to get yourself to the level of being able to complete each passage. It takes time and practice, but you'll eventually get there.

In the meantime, I like @'s idea of picking the 3 passages with the most questions, with the caveat that 1 of your 3 is the first passage. I have found that the first passage is a little more of a warm up, but this could vary depending on who you ask.

If timing is your issue, it's all about maximizing your "return on investment" for the reading you do put in. There's usually a passage with 5 questions, so depending on your guessing luck the damage from this 3/4 strategy may not be that bad.

Remember though, this strategy is a temporary fix and you definitely should work your way up to completing all 4 passages.