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Thursday, Jan 30 2020

danielhillshafer574

Main Point Question Thought Process

Hello, I have been going through the MP section of the course, and am wondering if the way I am addressing the stimulus is going to get me into trouble.

I read the stimulus until I reach the main point and then stop and choose the answer choice that best expresses the MP. I have found that in the few I have done so far, I have come up with the correct answer. Is this the wrong way to go about things?

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Saturday, Nov 30 2019

My target score was 180. I never thought I should ever shoot for anything less. I never reached it on any prep test but I hit 177 after about 10 months.

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Friday, Nov 29 2019

I would build a problem set (or two) of question types I was struggling with before beginning a prep test. This would simulate the real world experience of maintaining focus through at least five sections. I think it helps for the real exam.

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Friday, Nov 29 2019

Thanks for the info. I received a message from LSAC this morning acknowledging the mistake.

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Thursday, Nov 28 2019

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Thank you! I have replied to LSAC. I sincerely hope I have the option to keep the score.

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Thursday, Nov 28 2019

danielhillshafer574

E-mail from LSAC: test center cancelled after the fact?????

I’m confused and worried. I just received an e-mail from LSAC apologizing for my “test center issues” (I had none) and offering me an option to retake Dec 8th or January. Anyone in the know want to fill me in on what this means? I feel like I performed very well on the Nov exam and will be extremely upset if this message means what I think it does...

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danielhillshafer574
Thursday, Nov 28 2019

My only record score was 5 points below my PT average. Of course, that was September when a rogue LG section owned my soul. I scored at or better than my PT average on the rest of the exam. I just took Monday’s exam and feel like I nailed it so...I’ll let you know in a few weeks?

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Wednesday, Nov 27 2019

“The Loophole” by Ellen Cassidy. Got me from -7/-9 to -1/-3. Best money I spent on prep material (besides ultimate+, of course.)

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Wednesday, Nov 27 2019

First, 158 isn’t exactly “bombing” the LSAT. A lot of people would be very happy with that score. You, however, have high expectations and I relate to that and respect it. I always tell people who need a few extra points to focus on LR translation drills (the best resource for this is the book “The Loophole”) and skip/flag your problem questions and come back to them after you successfully nail the rest of the section. Additionally, foolproof LG every day. Be relentless in your efforts to score 23/23 every time because LG is the most learnable section there is. Practice low-res memorization with RC passages and you will see improvement there as well.

If you won’t get into your target school without a higher score then, yes, plan to retake and go hard HARD on your studies. I was scoring mid/high 170s on PTs and I’d be happy to help if you have questions; feel free to PM me.

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Friday, Oct 25 2019

danielhillshafer574

PT personal best and some thoughts.

Today I had my third "breakthrough" score and highest Prep Test to date. Earlier this week I scored 170 on PT 86 and this morning I scored 177 on PT 75. The only thing I did differently was skip every question type in LR I knew I would struggle with. At the end of both LR sections I had flagged three questions and had over ten minutes to think through them. This led to -1 for each section. Needless to say, I am now a believer in this strategy.

I usually miss -1/-3 on one LR section and -3/-5 on the other so having -2 through two sections feels really good. Also, I cleaned 23/23 on Logic Games which is rewarding because I practiced about 15 hours on fool-proofing this week. If you don't fool-proof; you need this in your life!

Finally for RC. This one has been the hardest to improve over the last 11 months but I've gone from a -11 average to -3. Today I missed 2. The method I use in RC is similar to the basic translation drill for LR stimuli. For each paragraph pause at the end and summarize what it means before moving on. After each subsequent paragraph, think about how it functions in the context of the passage.

7Sage works. I was stuck in the mid / high 160's back when I started. This is the best community to learn LSAT with and JYs methods are superior. I'm very excited about November after a disappointing September.

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Friday, Nov 22 2019

danielhillshafer574

Hitting my stride for last month of study.

November will hopefully be my last take. I first took in June when I was mid - high 160s (with one 170) and cancelled because I was nervous on test day. Wrote again in September with Prep Test scores hovering in high 160s - low 170s and scored 164. Gutted, I'm going for one more try and am finally consistently hitting the mid 170s. Last month of PTs has been 177, 174, 175, 163 (was sick) 166 (next day - still recovering), Tuesday's 172, and today's 173. My diagnostic last December was 157. When I started out I had no idea I'd ever be where I am today: looking to go knock a 170+ out of the park on Monday.

I've learned some incredibly valuable lessons along the way. For one thing: never stop respecting this test or it will punish you. Next, don't forget that the light at the end of this tunnel is law school, then the Bar exam, followed by a meaningful career practicing law. Finally, this test is intended to quantify your ability to understand and reason with complex/dense words and situations - consider that getting better at these skills is early preparation for your future career.

No matter what happens I know without a doubt I, personally, wouldn't be hitting these scores without the excellent content of this site and the brilliant, dynamic support found here on the forums. If I'm having a bad prep day, I know I can find the right motivation here - it's happened multiple times. So, with that, thanks to all for sharing the adventure. To those taking the November exam: may the logic come easily and may the curve be generous.

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Tuesday, Jan 21 2020

I failed this Q because I made the assumption that anyone who was on the board would therefore be referred to as an administrator.

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Monday, Dec 16 2019

In Army Basic training, when first learning a new skill, we would practice through the steps "by the numbers." For example, in formation movements, we would drill each step of the movement until we could retain muscle memory well enough to do it at full speed. After my initial diagnostic I took four more full prep tests, one per week, un-timed. Just like military training, I rehearsed each step. For example, in LR I would 1. read the question stem 2. define what it is specifically asking for 3. carefully read the stimulus 4. restate the stimulus in my own words 5. predict the answer 6. carefully evaluate the answer choices.

Practice does not make perfect - practice makes permanent. Be very, very demanding of yourself to employ the specific way you want to attack each question. Eventually you will be able to be very fast while still retaining a high degree of accuracy. By the end of my studies I was able to finish each section with 7-10 minutes remaining to go back over any question of which I was uncertain. Use the study methods taught here at 7Sage or choose PowerScore, LSAT Trainer, the Loophole, Manhattan, Fox or any combination of courses or books (as long as they use official LSAC material.)

In summary: slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Add the time constraint after you've mastered the material and have developed your strategy.

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Friday, Dec 13 2019

@ I started out where you did - in the high 150s and slowly built from there with a singular, gnawing goal: to score 180 on the LSAT. I never made it that high but I did get into the consistent 170s before sitting for the November exam. I’d like to give you a little encouragement.

First, I think scoring in the high 150s on a diagnostic is considerably above average. So, at least when it comes to mental gears, I think you definitely have what it takes to achieve the 99th percentile. The real trick is the hard work: relentless, consistent, persistence. When I studied, I served active duty military and compensated for my lack of available time by waking up 2 hours earlier than normal and devoting those hours strictly to mastering whatever my weakest LSAT area was. I also committed to at least 2 additional hours of daily study after work - and at least 5 hours each weekend day.

The point is, you have what it takes and you can do it! Focus on your weaknesses while taking the time to retain your strengths. Your numbers tell me you can improve everywhere and I would advise to start with LG since you’ll see the fastest improvement there. Feel free to PM if you would like any specific tips or strategies.

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Friday, Dec 13 2019

My e-mail from LSAC said December 19th.

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Thursday, Dec 12 2019

Awesome! So excited for you! I can't wait to get an acceptance or two!

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Thursday, Dec 12 2019

If you didn't cancel and you had no issues, you need to contact LSAC and find out what's going on. I received a re-test notification from LSAC after November (my test went well) and when I contacted them they told me it was a mistake and to disregard.

Bottom line: if you didn't cancel, your should have a score unless something major went wrong at the test center - in which case they'd owe you a free re-test ASAP.

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Sunday, Jan 12 2020

danielhillshafer574

First acceptance and a big thank you.

I remember when I first found this website last year after 5 months of studying for the LSAT and one cancelled score. I wrote the test two more times and ended up with a mid/high 160s score. Maybe I didn’t quite reach the 99th percentile on the real exam but I scored well enough to be confident about some pretty great tier 1 schools. For that I owe this community a big thanks: I wouldn’t have had the motivation to keep going without you.

I received my first acceptance from my state University on Friday, January 10th. This was a surprise since I had only applied on January 8th and I thought it would take longer. I’m waiting on six more results before I decide where I’ll attend but things are starting in the right direction!

My 2.8 GPA and unusual educational background (hybrid online/b&m while serving active duty military) had me concerned that I would be in for a disappointing cycle. I needed a great LSAT and thanks to 7Sage I did well enough to be above the 75th percentile for almost every school in the country. Granted, my softs are solid (I’m a senior NCO with 14 years in the Army) but nothing helps an application like a strong LSAT. Thanks and good luck to everyone who’s still toiling with the test: there’s light at the end of the tunnel!

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Wednesday, Dec 11 2019

Can anyone speak to the notion of GPA cutoffs? i.e. where an admissions board won't even bother with applications below X.XX GPA? I've heard this is a thing and, if so, I may need to work on raising my own GPA even though I am looking forward to a high LSAT coming back from November.

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Sunday, Dec 08 2019

When I started studying, getting through all 4 RC passages seemed impossible. I was consistently missing 7 - 11 per RC section and I knew I needed to improve efficiency. I tried learning speed-reading techniques, reading the first sentence of each paragraph before going back and reading the whole passage, and several annotation strategies - none of which were very effective methods for me.

What did work was to think of each paragraph kind of like it was its own LR stimulus. In the same way I learned to translate LR questions I would make a simple mental summary after each paragraph telling myself what its point was as well as its role within the passage. I would make these summaries very simple to remember, like this: "P1, background, two perspectives on law," "P2, perspective 1 support," "P3, perspective 2 support," P4, author supports third perspective."

Understanding an RC passage in this way is what will get you the points far better than attempting to memorize all the information contained. Why? Because you'll tend to retain enough for the broad questions while having a mental map outlining where to quickly locate specific information. I found this is the only thing that sped up my RC time and improved my scores to a -2 average. Warning: learning to do this was frustrating at first because it goes against the way most of us have been reading all our lives. However, with diligence, the payoff should be worth your efforts.

Hope this helps.

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Sunday, Dec 08 2019

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Hi someone tagged me in this and your advice is pretty sound. I was wondering what tips do suggest for when deciding when to skip and question? I found that when I try to skip, in my head theres a voice saying "just try it, it may be easier than you think" or "you've already read the stimulus twice and waisted the time, might as well look through and pick an ac." But what ends up happening is by the time I'm at question 18 short of time I panic and I CAN'T think straight at all and my mind goes in shambles and that the end of it for me. So pretty much any advice on deciding when to skip I would really appreciate.

For some reason I have this notion that if I skip It will be detrimental and I will end up skipping and still not have enough time to go back which clearly is incorrect , please any advice would be great thank you!!!!!

How to know when to skip ahead in LR:

My experience was to use 7Sage's analytics to understand my weaknesses. I attacked my deficiencies as hard as I could but, even after extensive study there were just some question types that took me longer to "get" than others. For example - I knew that any "parallel" question was an automatic skip. If I came to one of those question types I would automatically flag it, mark answer choice "C" and know I was going to come back to it if I had time.

Additionally, I would skip any question if I was still working on it after about two minutes. Why? Because the other questions count for the same amount of points as that one and why waste the same time getting one hard question wrong when I can use that same time to get two easier questions right? If I was feeling "stuck" or like I wasn't understanding the material, that was my cue to flag, mark, and skip.

What was consistent for me was that, using this method, I would always have only three to six flagged questions to come back to and, usually, there would be one or more that turned out to be not-so-difficult. Plus, when you come back to review three flagged questions and there are still ten minutes left on the clock, it's a great psychological confidence-booster.

The bottom line is that, while at first it seems counter-intuitive to purposely skip questions, it's a method that resulted in several immediate benefits for me. First, it instantly and permanently improved my scores. Next, it enabled me to finish LR sections much faster than before. Finally, it reduced my anxiety about the LR sections in general which helped conquer my stress about the LSAT as a whole.

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Thursday, Dec 05 2019

"Let's LSAT" by Jacob Erez is a bunch of tips from top scorers and is about three hours long. "A Cadre of Experts" by the same author is an LSAT guide in the form of a novel. I did quite a few other ones too but these two were the only ones I'd recommend. I listened to "Let's LSAT" four times and each time I found several new ideas to employ in my studies.

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Thursday, Dec 05 2019

This happened to me last Thursday. LSAC responded to my puzzled e-mail saying since I was able to take the exam I wasn't "eligible" for a retake (good deal, LSAC, I didn't want one!)

However, like you, I am still scheduled for a retake according to my LSAC account and it has me worried that they won't score my November exam. I'd love to know if anyone has anything more definitive.

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Wednesday, Dec 04 2019

Score to guarantee T14? 180. Seriously, I never saw the point in aiming lower than the top. Even if you don’t ever hit such heights, make it your goal anyway.

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Wednesday, Dec 04 2019

@ said:

Hi guys,

I had a quick question. I am struggling with timings when it comes to LR questions. So when there is an LR question that is long, I tend to skip it. I was wondering, are there any specific strategies that you guys apply to deal with long text LR questions.

Thanks

Get “The Loophole” by Ellen Cassidy. It’s the single best money I spent on prep (besides 7Sage Ultimate+, of course.)

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danielhillshafer574
Wednesday, Dec 04 2019

Did you score better the second time than the first?

Did you score near your Prep Test average?

What is your target score?

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Tuesday, Dec 03 2019

Answer choice D is wrong because of the word “most.” Had it said “some species of flowering plant,” it may have been a better choice. However, answer choice E is a perfect fit so there’s no room for another correct choice...

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Tuesday, Dec 03 2019

What are the chances of you re-taking the LSAT and getting that 160 a little higher? If I were you (and we’re in similar predicaments as far as Undergrad is concerned) I’d be spending my every waking spare moment preparing for a January retake. A 165+ will change your situation significantly if you can swing it.

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Sunday, Dec 01 2019

I don’t think you can fake the LSAT well enough to be disadvantaged. In theory, the same level of reasoning will be required by the same test to get the same score. While studying for the exam we actually are improving critical reasoning, short-term memory, fluid intelligence, and spacial reasoning skills. The test measures these qualities and, while I’m sure there are a handful of lucky flukes who score above their abilities, I would bet that two people with similar scores will have similar reasoning skills.

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Sunday, Dec 01 2019

I’ve taken it three times.

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