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Wednesday, Aug 31 2016

emma486

LG Improvement Methods

Hey all,

I'm about 1.5 weeks away from finishing the CC and (at least according to the study schedule) will begin my PT practices right after that. I'm due to take the LSAT in December. I would say my strongest section is RC and my weakest is by far LG. I don't exactly LOVE the games, but am kind of happy my shit section is one that seems to have potential to be greatly improved upon.

What methods have people used to study the games and improve on them? I was considering going through PTs 1-35 and doing all the games before I even begin the PTs. I don't know if this is a good idea or not though since I'd then lose time before December actually doing the full PTs unless I do one a day (which is definitely doable I don't want to burn myself out). I'm also relocating from the Caucasus back to the US in October so that's also something that will take time away from doing PTs. Thoughts on this would be helpful.

Thanks all!

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emma486
Saturday, Oct 29 2016

I'd make sure to not waste whatever of the closest to newest ones you have. So first drill questions/games you may be weak on. Also I heard someone suggest doing a PT you've already done but 25 minutes per section.

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emma486
Tuesday, Nov 29 2016

Focus on getting better and take the test. If you are so sick you feel you bombed it, you can cancel your score and take it in February. This isn't the end of the world. A lot of schools take the February exam. But just focus on getting better right now.

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emma486
Saturday, Oct 29 2016

It's in schools' interest to have high applicant numbers. I'm not saying any of you are just numbers only, but they want to give competitive applicants incentives to apply. This will either a. make their admissions rate appear more selective based on applicant numbers or b. give them easier access to competitive candidates who then may apply over another school who maybe didn't offer that fee waiver. This is the inclusive "or" by the way. I got fee waivers at some decently ranked schools and some not so great with my measly 158 from last time. A lot of schools are struggling with application rates dropping. Harvard is fine and always probably will be, but for your lower ranked schools, it's tougher to stay open and keep application rates up and admission rates up. And on top of that, fewer legal jobs. For a lot of us though, I don't think the numbers game is exclusive to the schools really wanting you. It's all probably a combination and depending on your background or scores, they may think you're an ideal candidate. But it's also strategic on their part.

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emma486
Tuesday, Nov 29 2016

I got the same thing I believe on my first PT after taking the curriculum. Yes you will improve. Unfortunately there are no shortcuts to any of this. But it's all very possible and doable.

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emma486
Thursday, Oct 27 2016

I'd say 2. This will give you time to properly BR and drill. The real learning comes from BRing your PT and drilling. The PTs are meant to expose weaknesses to focus on. If you can do more than 2, BR and do necessary drilling, then god speed. Also depending on how high you tend to score, you could conceptually have more time to take more PTs than drill. All of this just comes with learning how you work and what seems to be helping you.

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Monday, Sep 26 2016

emma486

Weird LGs

I have been solidly going through all the LSAT games and working on them. Generally, for the older weird games, I've been skipping them. However, as has been the case, I'm worried the LSAT is beginning to bring in more of the odd and weird games out. I looked at the Sept. LSAT discussion thread and saw something about a "Computer Virus" game which people found really difficult. Not sure if it was because it was just a ridiculously difficult game or it was such an odd format people were caught off guard. I'm worried I should be now spending a lot more time focusing on the weird old games than I originally thought.

By weird games, I mean ones that use spacial reasoning or sort of odd scenarios. The chemical experiment one from LSAT 12 or the last game in LSAT 13 are good examples of what I mean by "odd."

Thoughts?

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emma486
Monday, Oct 24 2016

You will burn out which is really detrimental to your studying. Also, you can't truly blind review the exam and focus on your weaknesses in between tests. At that point you'd just be wasting them. I would say 2 per week is a good number. I tried 3 per week once and just got so exhausted and frustrated.

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Tuesday, Jan 24 2017

emma486

Score addendum

Hey all!

I've been hiding away doing applications. I hope everyone did well on the December test and if you didn't, Feb is around the corner and I know you all will kick ass.

So this hasn't actually come up until today but one school I'm applying to asks for an explanation if your second LSAT score is five points or above your last one. I improved by five points and wasn't sure how I should approach the explanation.

Three main reasons for why I increased:

  • 7Sage and the community. I got great advice and an awesome curriculum. Prior to paying the money, I just used the Powerscore books which are useful but just not as effective for me personally.
  • I took the test in Feb 2014 about one month before I was supposed to leave for Peace Corps. So a lot was going on in my mind and I was probably freaking out more than I thought I was.
  • I studied WAY HARDER this time. I was way more determined and knew what I wanted. Before Peace Corps I was on the fence about law school and being in Peace Corps I learned way more about myself and the kind of career I want.
  • So I'm not sure if I should explain all of this or if it makes me look like a slacker. I don't want the school to think I can't handle stress or change.

    Any thoughts?

    Thanks and love this site!

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    emma486
    Wednesday, Nov 23 2016

    I felt a similar situation with 79. I am burned out and I am taking a break from the LSAT. I"ll be taking it on the 3rd but I think the most I'll do is drilling prior to the test. I don't think I'm going to take a PT prior. Drilling should bring our confidence back up and put us in the rhythm for the 3rd. Yes burn out really gets you and you don't necessarily see it coming until you're fully in it. Also, I might review some of the curriculum as well.

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    Thursday, Oct 20 2016

    emma486

    Sufficient Assumption Questions

    So overall, I either suck terribly at the SA questions during the PT process where I spend too much time on mapping out the lawgic or when I go over it during my blind review, I even sometimes get them wrong again. I have pulled SA questions from the question bank and plan on practicing them but I am wondering if anyone has any advice on how they improved on SA questions. JY basically said these should be freebies for you, but they're not freebies for me at all.

    One thing I noticed I haven't been doing is labeling the conclusion and premises which I will definitely start doing.

    Any advice/help/thoughts would be really helpful.

    My PT score I got today was really disheartening. It had a lot of SA questions (more than usual) and that killed me.

    Thanks

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    emma486
    Saturday, Nov 19 2016

    Thus far 70 :(

    72 destroyed me personally but it was the first test I had taken in the 70s and I was not prepared for the slight changes made and was just thrown off guard all around. It's not that bad though of a test if you've been exposed to the nuances in the 70s and you remain focused and don't panic. I can say I'm happy I got it when I did versus having to get that on the actual test day. I feel bad for that round of testers to be honest.

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    emma486
    Wednesday, Nov 16 2016

    I'd say the best thing is to drill the question type and memorize the common flaws. Anticipating the answer is really good and will help you get much less thrown off by trick answer choices. But this will only come with practice and more exposure.

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    emma486
    Sunday, Jan 15 2017

    I spent a long time on it. Had a lot of people look at it to give me advice and make it more concise. Best thing is to write out your main thesis or what you want to get across and then make sure each paragraph supports that. Then make sure each sentence plays a purpose. I mean it's a personal narrative but you need to have some kind of structure to it. For me, personal statements are very hard for me to write; for some, it's easier.

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    emma486
    Saturday, Jan 14 2017

    Congrats!!!!

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    emma486
    Monday, Nov 14 2016

    Yes it happens to me. I feel like my mind jumps around and I'm rusty. I don't tend to get a lot of them wrong in the beginning as they're usually somewhat easier but I definitely don't feel confident until I'm in my stride. I'd suggest taking a LR section prior to the real test to warm you up.

    It does sound like anxiety and panic though. Which is all more common than we'd all probably prefer. I have dreams about conditional logic. This stuff is stressful and can be mentally taxing. Meditation is good and exercise. Drinking will exacerbate nerves. Taking a calming walk is also good. For me, I have a hard time meditating while being very still so I try to walk and focus on my breathing that way. I don't know how effective or kosher that is in regards to meditation, but meditation can be a challenge at first.

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    emma486
    Monday, Nov 14 2016

    If you're not applying this cycle, it makes no sense to rush to take it in December. You could take it in February or even June. Why waste a test take on a score you know isn't at your full ability?

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    emma486
    Wednesday, Nov 09 2016

    The same thing happened when I took PT 72. It was a big blow but also look at your BR score. If it is much higher than it means you get the material it's more of a question of having an off day or timing. If you did not score high, then you need to look at what you got wrong and why. Every question I get wrong I write out the reasoning behind the argument, what the question is wanting me to do and then go over the answer choices as to why they're wrong or right. Also reviewing the curriculum will never hurt.

    We all have off days. Don't beat yourself up. Instead look at it as "I had my off day now, so I won't have it on test day." Also if you're burning out, take a day. It will he much better for you in the long run.

    After my bad score on 72 I also started drilling sections. This helped get my confidence back up. I took a PT yesterday since the 72 and was back to 164-165 range. :)

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    emma486
    Tuesday, Mar 07 2017

    Yeah I was surprised. I fell right in line with BU's numbers but they may be doing a rankings thing. Wonder how they'll feel about that now that they dropped down. I did get into BC however.

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    emma486
    Tuesday, Mar 07 2017

    @ DO TELL PLEASE.

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    emma486
    Tuesday, Mar 07 2017

    What's going on with BU?

    Literally got an email from them today waitlisting me. I was pissed. Yet, I have a full ride to Iowa which used to tie you?

    Location, location, location.

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    emma486
    Tuesday, Mar 07 2017

    I'm in a similar boat in regards to debt. It's a very scary number to take on. However, I can tell you that if I had been offered a spot at U of C, I would take it. Have you looked at Law School Transparency? It's ranked higher in their employment score than HYS.

    https://www.lstreports.com/national/

    A lot of the HYS stuff I'm sure is lower because many are doing joint MBA and going into consulting after. But if you're betting on something, U of C is a very very safe bet to have. Look, my bro went to a second tier school and got a BL job. He's been at it for a very long time now (graduated in 2007) and does a very good job and is clearly valuable to the firm. However, at the end of the day, he'll never be offered partner because he doesn't have the name brand. It's bullshit and unfair perhaps, but that's the legal world.

    If you're not into BL, then yes you really need to consider whether the debt is worth it. If your dream is BL, then go with what will guarantee it for you.

    Anyone have opinions on taking a full ride at a number 20 school vs. paying sticker price for a T14?

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    emma486
    Friday, Jan 06 2017

    I took the LSAT 2 years ago with a 158. I went back to it in August and got a diagnostic of 154. I used 7Sage and ended up with a 163 from Dec. It's not the greatest score (180 ;) ) but I'm proud of it and an hoping this will get me in one of my choice schools based on my experience. Biggest lesson learned is you cannot rush this studying and you really probably do need at least 6 months to get up into the 170s unless your are already diagnosing at a high number. But all of it is possible and tangible and this community will give you the support and guidance to get you where you want to be.

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    emma486
    Saturday, Nov 05 2016

    I don't know much about BluePrint but I used the LSAT Bibles and I would say one thing that I think hurt me more than anything was the incessant need to categorize every game. I'd say the best part in regards to how 7Sage teaches games is just giving you two main categories with some twists on them. I feel like prior to 7Sage, when I approached games I felt this need to categorize it. If BluePrint does the same, then it could do more harm than good. Now, when I approach the games, it really just comes naturally to how I organize it. It's all second nature which I think comes from less focus on needing to diagnose a game and from watching JY do the games on the videos. Another feature about 7Sage is when you go through the curriculum, which I don't know if BluePrint does this, but JY always looked at the LR question stems first before even getting to the stimulus. At the time, I didn't think much of it, but I then somehow always did it when I do LR sections. Somehow, he instilled in me really good habits which has now become second nature and at the time I didn't realize it. That kind of work on your brain is going to be hugely helpful in approaching the test.

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    Friday, Nov 04 2016

    emma486

    Score fluctuations

    I've been fluctuating anywhere from 158 to 165. I recently scored 165 on test number 60 (the last one I took). I was feeling pretty happy with the improvement I made (diagnostic 154). But I just took the 72 and bombed back down to the 158. I know a lot of people said at first when they hit the 70s, their scores went down. But I honestly can't see why I would have such a massive 7 points down as I really didn't find the fundamentals between the 2 tests that different. Any encouragement or thoughts on this would be helpful. Has anyone seen this happen to them?

    Also if you're wondering why I'm skipping around numbers it's because I give my friend a number range and just have her pick one. :)

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    emma486
    Sunday, Dec 04 2016

    Brewpub for the win!!! Also perfect way to keep the alcoholism trend alive with the future lawyers!

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    emma486
    Sunday, Dec 04 2016

    Oh my god that's insane. So awful to do that to people just trying to do their jobs/get through this test. Also sorry but I'm assuming someone that reacted this way maybe didn't get into a car accident and fucked up and was looking for a way to blame the world. Well now at least you know you can handle A LOT during this test!

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    Friday, Mar 03 2017

    emma486

    School Opinions

    Hey hey!!

    I've been AWOL for awhile. Anyway, I got a 5 point increase from what I scored in 2014. I could have done better, but I also could have done worse. So, that's life. I took the score increase and smiled knowing I rocked the games section and probably had nerves get to me more than I should have. Shout out to 7Sage for the advice, curriculum, momentum, ect. You guys are the best out there.

    I decided to apply and see what happens and (as a result of a little Peace Corps stint) got all my applications fee waived. 18 schools later and I'm beginning to hear back. Thus far, I am waiting on about 12 schools. My top choices are still MIA. However, my bro said I should probably start to think about my top 2 options and get some opinions on them.

    So, it's right now Iowa v. Boston College. VERY different locations. Iowa essentially offered me a full ride and BC offered me like 1/3rd. Initially I would have gone straight for Iowa, but BC has better placements in the Boston/NYC area (an area I'd prefer to be in long term). Iowa, however, could open some doors for me in Chicago which is a city I also really like and I am from very close by.

    Background: I really am not into Big Law. My current interests are in advocacy law and public interest. The dream is to work for DOJ or state govt. but that may even be a reach as I'd be competing with HYS students. I'd also like to eventually maneuver into public policy work focused on children's rights. Short term, I could see myself starting in juvenile court. I'd be open to the private sector mainly working in family law dealing with adoptions/custody. But BL isn't my game.

    All thoughts/opinions would be nice to hear. Thanks team :)

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    emma486
    Saturday, Dec 03 2016

    OK I had 3 LR sections.

    I remember the last contained a T-Rex question about their weird ass bodies.

    Middle I'm blanking on......sorry

    First I think had a cat food question.

    I'm certain the first or third were experimental though as the third contained 26 questions and I believe at least one LR has 26 and I think the first two only had 25.

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    emma486
    Thursday, Dec 01 2016

    Going to the club. Should be drunk enough to take the test by 4 am.

    Nah I'll drill a little, do some games (which I enjoy?) and probably bake or something along those lines to take my mind off of things. Also take the dog on walks and get to bed early. It's like the day before a marathon. You don't train too hard :)

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    emma486
    Thursday, Dec 01 2016

    That RC section is pretty rough. Don't feel too bad :)

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