YaleStanfordHarvard (-1)U ChicagoColumbia (-1)NYUPennMichiganUVADuke (+1)Northwestern (+2)Berkeley (-4)CornellUT Austin (+1)Georgetown (-1)UCLA (+2)Vanderbilt (-1)WUSTLUSCIowaNotre Dame (+2)EmoryBoston U (-3)U Minnesota (-1)Arizona StateBoston College (+4)Alabama (+2)UC IrvineWashington and Lee (+12)GWU (-5)Indiana U Bloomington (-5)Ohio StateU Georgia (+3)U Washington (+3)U Wisconsin Madison (+3)Fordham (+1)U Colorado Boulder (+4)Wake Forest (+4)UC Davis (-9)UNC (-1)William and Mary (-8)George Mason (+4)U Florida (+7)U Illinois Urbana-Champaign (-4)U Utah (+1)BYU (-8)SMU (-1)FSU (+2)U Arizona (-8)U MarylandGTown has been knocked out of the T14
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Rutgers made yuuuuge gains
@nessak130467 said:
I've heard that GT grads were having a harder time (in recent years) competing with graduates from other schools for SCOTUS clerkships and jobs. Job placement and viability comprises a fraction of each school's USNWR score.
This is true. I'm not sure why GULC isn't cutting their class size.
I think that the arrival of Texas at #14 is attributed more to a slight decline on GULC's part than a rise in Texas's numbers. Sorry Texas, I still think you're great though.
Not surprised but also still kind of surprised. People have been talking about GT being knocked out of the T14 since like 2008, lol. Finally. Not that I care one way or another or it will matter THAT much.
Also, considering they took Wesleyan from the depths of Obscurity to T2 in a matter of years, I think you guys are bang on.
@aaronkeegan92975 said:
@cgracia12433 I know Law School Numbers had that statistic. In addition, I there have been various other law school sites that have mentioned this. I also am a recent graduate of Texas A&M and one of the advisers and a couple of law school recruiters have told me that they are trying to keep the class sizes small to enhance the learning experience.
Don't let that discourage you though if you are interested in applying there. Their medians aren't super high. They are one of the big risers in the rankings the past 3 years (from NR to 90's). Extremely young school that is starting to gain traction and reputation in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. And knowing Texas A&M very well, they will make it a power house down the road because that is just what A&M does.
Yep. they are down to 19% in LSN in terms of their overall acceptance. That's pretty low especially considering that LSN counts you as a matriculated student unless you directly specify that you withdrew. So some numbers there end up being inflated.
As for what you are saying, that is exactly what my wife told me and why I slowly gaining steam on A&M. I am not from Texas and know very little about schools here (moved here a year and a half ago). She's a Texan since birth, and told me that it came as no surprise that A&M is trying to climb the ladder. She basically said that they have the money, alumni, and status to become as powerful a program as any other in Texas.
It's really something that's making me give it huge consideration. Though I do worry about my job prospects in San Antonio since that is where I want to practice. It seems like A&M may be best for Dallas/ Ft. Worth, but A&M normally has a solid reputation all over Texas so I am not sure if my chances for a job will be diminished either way.
@cgracia12433 I know Law School Numbers had that statistic. In addition, I there have been various other law school sites that have mentioned this. I also am a recent graduate of Texas A&M and one of the advisers and a couple of law school recruiters have told me that they are trying to keep the class sizes small to enhance the learning experience.
Don't let that discourage you though if you are interested in applying there. Their medians aren't super high. They are one of the big risers in the rankings the past 3 years (from NR to 90's). Extremely young school that is starting to gain traction and reputation in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. And knowing Texas A&M very well, they will make it a power house down the road because that is just what A&M does.
Dude, that's awesome and really motivating.. Congrats! @vduran1988561 and @aaronkeegan92975 , where did you hear or read about them accepting 20% of applicants?
Really?? That is a very helpful tidbit of information. Thanks!
@aaronkeegan92975 said:
Wow! That's awesome! Congrats! I've heard they're pretty generous with their money.
From what I have seen- anything above a 162 basically gets you a full ride so aim for that if that's what you want.
@aaronkeegan92975 said:
@vduran1988561 Yeah I think they're only accepting about 20% of applicants. They're definitely on my radar. Did they give you a full ride if you don't mind me asking?
They gave me 56k. So I basically only have to pay a years worth of tuition at 28k over three years (not including living expenses, obviously).
@alejoroarios925 said:
Geeeeeezzzz. This really hurts my ego even more. UTA going t14 when I most likely won't get in succccckkkkkkkksssssssss.
The T14 is probably now all but officially the T13, as that name includes the top schools that haven't moved out of the top since the inception of the rankings. So it's not as if you're missing out even more than before, in my opinion, should you not be admitted. Not sure if that's what could be called "good news," haha.
@cgracia12433 Whooooop!!! Yes, they are one of the few schools expanding. A ton of undergrad Ags that are attorneys are dumping money into the school. They're planning to keep the classes small though. I expect them to keep climbing.
My only concern though is the jobs. Only 4 years old. The ABA jobs report will be very telling; interested to see who is hiring them. Should be a major player in Texas down the road but right now their reputation is not much at this point. Gig'em! Class of '16 A-Whoooop!!!
I know they are in the lower tier... But Texas A&M moving up the ranks 19 spots this year and I believe 15 spots last year?! What exactly are they doing to get these huge gains?! WHOOP!! GIG'EM AGS! (c/o'13) :D
Wow Washington and Lee went up 12 ranks!
I've heard that GT grads were having a harder time (in recent years) competing with graduates from other schools for SCOTUS clerkships and jobs. Job placement and viability comprises a fraction of each school's USNWR score.
@aaronkeegan92975 said:
Anyone care to delineate what is going on with Berkley on this list? Seems like quite a drastic drop. Berkley is my #1 school and what I am working towards getting into, so I always take note when I see them.
My best guess is that it's related to how others (law schools and judges/lawyers) evaluated Boalt in the aftermath of the scandal involving former Dean Choudhry. I don't think it should be a big factor as the scandal will likely dissipate in evaluators' minds. Plus, there are problems with the USNWR rankings, some of which hurt Berkeley more than others (i.e. LSAT/GPA). https://www.lstreports.com/guides/Value-of-US-News-Rankings/
I'm far more curious to see everyone's NALP (employment) reports and their new Law School Transparency scores. They should be out sometime mid-April.
Berkeley is still on par with much of the rest of the T13/14. I wouldn't read too much into this ranking drop. And for further context, here's the past five years of USNWR rankings in one chart (excluding the latest rankings): http://tippingthescales.com/2016/03/yale-crowned-top-law-school-2017-u-s-news-ranking/4/
@aaronkeegan92975 said:
Anyone care to delineate what is going on with Berkley on this list? Seems like quite a drastic drop. Berkley is my #1 school and what I am working towards getting into, so I always take note when I see them.
Hmm... I've heard so many theories and just have no idea which have any credibility. I wouldn't let the drop stop you from going there.
Anyone care to delineate what is going on with Berkley on this list? Seems like quite a drastic drop. Berkley is my #1 school and what I am working towards getting into, so I always take note when I see them.
I have heard the same thing as well. I don't know if you have looked at Texas Tech at all, but they also seem to have a decent reach in the state. I know they are ranked but I think they fall in the tier 3 category. However, I have seen/heard of plenty of their attorneys around the state.
@aaronkeegan92975 said:
@vduran1988561 You'd be correct in that outside of DFW, their pull is a bit questionable. It obviously helps to be an alumni from undergrad but Aggies always try to help other Aggies and I would venture to bet that this would be the case with law school as well. In a couple of years, yes they may be able to do well in San Antonio but for right now it would be a stretch though not impossible. They're just a young school.
Yep- and this is where I am having an internal struggle. Most I have talked to here say that St. Mary's owns a good chunk of the law base in San Antonio. And I really want to be a lawyer straight out of school without issue.
@vduran1988561 You'd be correct in that outside of DFW, their pull is a bit questionable. It obviously helps to be an alumni from undergrad but Aggies always try to help other Aggies and I would venture to bet that this would be the case with law school as well. In a couple of years, yes they may be able to do well in San Antonio but for right now it would be a stretch though not impossible. They're just a young school.
@cgracia12433 Anytime! Gig'em! (c/o 2016)
@aaronkeegan92975 I don't doubt they will be a powerhouse down the line either... Ever since Johnny Football left, the school and old ags have been throwing ridiculous money around everywhere. Good luck, thanks and gig'em! (c/o 2013)
Wow! That's awesome! Congrats! I've heard they're pretty generous with their money.
@aaronkeegan92975 said:
@vduran1988561 Yeah I think they're only accepting about 20% of applicants. They're definitely on my radar. Did they give you a full ride if you don't mind me asking?
Will be receiving the money via email Wednesday. Will post back. I should be competitive for at least half off since I exceed their LSAT range, but my gpa is below their median.
Either way, 28k per year for a possibly great law school in the future seems like an investment I would make if it were a business.
I am extremely curious. I just need to see what SMU and Houston offer.