Is there a July Study-BR group? June seems too early for me since I just started PTing ~2-3 weeks ago. Although September is an option, I really need to knock July out so I can find a job between LSAT and admission.

If theres is no study-BR group, will anyone be interested?

Hi! I know score plateau sucks because it feels like nothing is working even when youre churning out PT after PT. I think you need to limit your PT to 2x per week. Everyday PT seems like too much especially if you BR and then review all the missed questions from the PT and BR.

Also your brain takes time to process all the info 1 PT and BR provides. What I normally do is PT on day 1. BR on Day 2 then see the results. Day 3 is spent really understanding the fundamentals of the missed questions and what my thought process was during PT and BR that led me to choose the wrong answer. Day 4 is either new PT or on a clean copy redo (untimed) the questions I got wrong and try to write the process on why to eliminate certains choices.

I know this seems like a long process. But I did what youre doing last year -basically churn out PT after PT without understanding my fundamentals. I kept plateauing at high 140s (no CC) this year Ive finished the Starter and is doing the process above and Im at high 150s after 4 PT... let me know if you want to discuss certain PTs or need a study buddy, or you just talk about anything LSAT :)

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Has anyone seen that now 23 schools are accepting the GRE in lieu of LSAT including many top T-20 law schools. I just took my first LSAT and got 171. I think instead of taking another LSAT test and risk my score going down, I might just take the GRE and if high enough submit both scores for my application. Is anyone else thinking the same thing. The thing with GRE way easier to study for the GRE than the LSAT .

I would check this. I know that for Harvard they only accept I think 2 GRE applicants. There are also stipulations for other schools like if you have NEVER taken an LSAT administered test, then theyll accept the GRE. But if you've already taken an LSAT administered test, then GRE is moot. I think this is to boost PhD holders to pursue law. But Im not sure. I would definitely check with the school just to make sure.

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Got a 150 because i completely bombed RC...Gotta regroup and get ready for November.

Same over here... I hope when the scores come out in December is still a good time to apply

In the 7Sage Predictor, they actually have a percentage timeline of applications. So itll be good to check that one out if you have very specific schools in mind. :)

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I’m frustrated. My diagnostic was a 157 in February. Took June and scored a 165. I had been PTing with average of 168 prior to the exam. Kicked in and studied for the September exam. Was PTing consistently in the 170s with an average of 173 leading up to exam. Scored a 165 again. I felt like I probably didn’t get the 173 average but I definitely thought I was getting at least a 168. I don’t know what to do at this point. I feel burned out and don’t see any way to improve for November. I think I’m just going to apply with where I am. I’m not looking at T14 anyway.

Props for getting a good score! I know it's not the score you would've wanted but definitely apply anyway. You'll never know. I know most people will say that "It's all about the numbers" but these admission committee are people too. You have a very respectable score. I was once talking to a lawyer who became a city attorney. He went from prestigious undergraduate school to unranked law school. I didnt pry for the reason but one thing he said stuck "It's not about where you go that will guarantee success in your career, itll only give you a leg up. It's about how good you are at doing your job." He basically told me he outworked his Ivy League colleagues. So ranking is not necessarily everything. Good luck!! Im sure youll get in with your solid score!

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Btw @ , where did you see your probability of getting into a school?

7Sage admission (click "7Sage lsat") under resources :)

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For those of use who didn’t get the score we wanted, what should our approach be to review this test? Should we try to blind review by at least attempting all the questions under untimed conditions or check our answers now and just try to figure out the ones we got wrong? I was expecting to get scanned copies of our question books with our markings but that’s obviously not the case so there’s no way for me to know which ones I circled to come back to.

Oh sorry. I misread your post. This is my second take. I took my first one last December. What I did was save everything to my computer. Not sure if you know, but LSAC takes the PDF down after a certain time. Anyway, I think it depends on your score. If your score was around the 7Sage Analytics average, then I would go untimed PT then review. But if it's below, I would save this test after I have reviewed and practiced other available PTs. Then do a timed retake.

I approached my December copy this way. my rationality was that, the LSAC score already shows my timed test. Going untimed seems like a practice in futility specially if you have not reviewed any LSAT material after September 8. Its just a reassurance practice of "I could have done better if I did X, Y, and Z". However if youve been studying even AFTER the September 8 test, then by all means go untimed. I saved my December test for my last PT before test day. This could be comparable data of the First Take mistake and then after you've worked on yoour fundamentals some more.

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For those of use who didn’t get the score we wanted, what should our approach be to review this test? Should we try to blind review by at least attempting all the questions under untimed conditions or check our answers now and just try to figure out the ones we got wrong? I was expecting to get scanned copies of our question books with our markings but that’s obviously not the case so there’s no way for me to know which ones I circled to come back to.

Answer sheet should be available on the LSAC website under the name "Answer Sheet." Correct answers would be under the "Item Response Report" link.

I was in the same situation as you. My diagnostic was a 136 and now im PTing in the mid-high 150 after the CC, BR is around low-mid 160s. What definitely helped me was honing in on my LR and LG. RC is a tough one for me, but my rationale is if I could ace LR and LG then RC section could take a hit (for now). I watched Nicole Hopkin's RC video and uses the Surface laptop to BR. Im trying a "new" method - supplementing 7Sage with PowerScore and ManhattanPrep forum for LR. LG is 100% 7Sage. I think BR is really where my learning is happening, and PTing under timed condition is just getting used to the timing and stress level it brings. I've joined your September group and we can exchange techniques/method works for each of us.

Hi guys! Im very interested doing the LSAT for September. Although Im signed up for June, I will definitely be moving it to either July (undisclosed test) or September.

Im done with the CC and have done 6 PTs and BRd them as well. I have the 3 books of tests from 42-78. And I mix them around (36,44,72 etc). This has helped me since I noticed that the 70s+ have a harder RC section than the rest. I didnt want to do just the earlier versions then find out that the 70s range felt harder. This is just an advice.

How do we set up video or phone conferences for people ready to do BRs?

Let me know if anyone is interested and doing a group BR.

I am in the same boat as you. I took the December and got a meh score, not enough for my school of choice. Well only schools of choice since I am tied down in LA for the foreseeable future. I am scheduled for June, but LSAC opened a July (not disclosed) and September testing. The due date to change the date is May 15th. I would do some PTs after youre done with CC, and be honest with yourself if you can reach your target score by June 10th before May 15th comes around. I am hitting mid 150s and I am not sure if I should move to July or September as well... DM me and maybe we can help each other and hit the PTs (and wreck them)... :smile:

THIS!!! THIS!!! Your story gives me a lot of hope. Reading your story, it seems like once you put your mind into doing something, you will conquer it. This is inspiring and motivating! My story mirrors yours. My diagnostic was at 136 and I am in mid-150s now, aiming for high 160s. It was discouraging reading TLS and the forum saying you can only improve +10 points. I am glad I found 7sage and this community of supportive people going through this ardious journey. Thank you for this.

What is URM?

Same here... Moved my test to September. I feel a little defeated that I was not ready for the June test, when I really myself expected to be. It's going to be okay, we're going to knock the test out of the park. Just keep studying, taking it one day at a time.

I second the polo and khakis. Most business professional I know of either wear polos and khakis or dress pants and button down shirt with sleeves folded.

Definitely interested. My worst section.

Definitely great advices here. I would BR like a madman. Do not see PTing as the goal (for now), BRing well is the goal. I definitely had to change my mindset. I read on here that BR test what you really know. By knowing what you dont know, you can have a path on which types of questions, wording etc. you either missed or get wrong.

Also, 6 hours + 8 hours LSAT study time is arduous. More power to you! but be very careful of LSAT burnout. It could really affect your performance. Try to see it as more quality than quantity study hours. Or break down your 6 hours to 2 hours per section.

I try to foolproof logic games since, based on statistics, its the section you can mostly improve on. Also, I would jump around different PT because they differ slightly which could throw you off. You got this!

I usually review/BR RC questions I've had difficulty answering. RC is my weakness even after CC - specially the inference/author perspective question.

Even if you've read the passage, there must have been something that tricked you into not being 90% sure about the answer. I usually come back and eliminate answer choice while referring to the passage. The correct answer choice has to be proven by the passage. Fore me, the time constraint while PTing makes me slightly panic. It feels like I do not have enough time to absorb, but I think I just need to practice more. I think @ has a really good technique in improving RC, I combined her technique and JYs. Good luck.

@ Hi there. Im not sure if I am considered “older”, but based from the stat of my dream school, I would be. Im 28, and a mom of a 10 year old. Got pregnant when I was a teen which will be part of my PS. I got through a rigorous engineering program then pivoted into law. I think what motivated me to get through my B.S. was 2 things: I want to be an inspiration to my son, and (like many have said here) the "what ifs?" I cannot fathom not even TRYING to reach for my goal. I think engineering school was just a detour but I loved every minute of it. Even the crying in the bathroom stall due to stress and anxiety. Since you've been a paralegal, you know you want to be in the world of law. You've seen the underbelly and yet still want to pursue this path.

I usually get my motivation from watching videos of motivational speakers. I like Les Brown. There is this great channel called Mateuz M that uses a lot of Les Brown speeches and Your World Within channel. These videos shifts my perspective when energy is low, doubt/insecurities is high. I usually put one video in the morning with my coffee before I do anything.

All of us here know it will be an uphill climb. The juggling of our families, studies, and finances are pretty daunting if you ask me. but the 7Sage community is really great at supporting one another, so atleast you know you have someone to turn to (with somewhat similar experience) when things get difficult. :smile:

I would like to read a post about anxiety and depression and its correlation to LSAT takers. Maybe proven methods to deal with it before during and after as well.

Ive seen a lot of anxiety posts in the forum lately.

Depression and anxiety affects my family and I. I've only seen a therapist once in my life during a VERY low point. I always considered myself someone who wants to learn how to fix things that works for me and not the general scheme of fixing or alleviating mental problems. So hopefully this advice would help you in some way.

Understand that youre not alone. It might feel like you are. Your doubts, insecurities, fears etc. are mostly common. Maybe talking to a friend (someone who listens to understand and not to reply) is helpful or a complete stranger. Someone you probably wont see again, I usually solicit advice from old people.

Write your feelings. I know this sound cliché - the "Dear Diary" thing. But it does help. I tend to write my negative emotions, secrets, insecurities on a small notebook. It helps relieve my feelings because it felt like I let some burden out on paper. If you are worried about someone snooping around your bedroom, write it on a piece of paper. Really let your feelings out - use profanity, crazy handwriting because of your emotions - stuff like that. Then burn the paper (in a safe fireproof container or backyard grill).

Meditate. This is something I have come to learn through out the years of living with anxiety. Meditate with the intention of calming your heart and mind. I use Mala Beads. There's loads of tutorial on how to use them. I follow the rules of keeping the Mala beads "pure". My dad and I are Buddhist. He was the one who taught me how to meditate.

Let out a good cry. (I do this A LOT)

I have a lot more of strategy to either overcome or keep depression and anxiety at bay. You can message me if you want some more advice, or just someone to talk to. You got this!

Please add me :) Also, registration just opened up for September. :)

Does anyone know when the September registration opens up?

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Hey! You’re in my area! Have you visited either school? Are you also aware that you have to pass the patent bar before you can practice patent law?

I’d say the school visits are the most important thing you’ll ever do. I’ve been to UCI (Loyola isn’t on my list) and the impression I got from the open house was that the school was very bubbly, youthful and progressive. I liked it a lot, but it didn’t feel like “home” to me. They focused so much on the clinical aspect of school that I began to think that they students were roving bands of self-taught academics who had never seen a professor- the emphasis was really placed heavily on externships and clinical work.

Also, keep in mind that it’s probably best to take as many bar classes as possible while in school, because you’re essentially paying them to teach you how to pass the bar, and you can use your externhips and some electives to flesh out your program. The program or concentration is a little less important than passing the bar lol.

Overall, UCI is a great school if you want to focus really heavily on clinics, clubs, and externships, and also if you want an active alumni network and an atmosphere that focuses on social justice. Also it’s a fairly big school with a collegiate vibe. If that’s not your thing, you may not like the school. But before you accept any invitation you NEED to visit the schools you like. I thought I’d actually hate the school that turned into my first pick after I visited :)

Yes. Ive actually been to both schools since I am based in SoCal. I think you hit the nail in the head with the UCI externships and clinic programs. I think it's because of their community based approach. From what I heard, the community around the OC area really like what UCI law is doing.

Also yes, I have looked into the patent bar. During my undergraduate year, I actually emailed a bunch of patent lawyers in the OC/LA area to get their take of the field. So I do have clear goals I just confused on which path to take. I guess the main reason I started this thread was to ask: Should Law School Ranking Matter as much as US News Report want us to believe?

It feels weird for me to take an off day, but I know I have to force myself. Thursday is just trying to summarize everything, my notes, and few hard LG games. Friday is my off day until Saturday. I think one thing that helps me is watching motivational/commencement videos. I know it sounds cheesy, but it helps center myself. We got this!

Hi all, I was looking at the spreadsheet for tonight's BR, and it still states that it is for PT 53. Is there a different link for PT57? or we could just type the question numbers (for PT 57) on the same spreadsheet for the BR tonight?