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PT130.S1.Q5
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Sunday, Aug 28 2016

I think the problem with C here isn't just that it's attacking the premise. If C had said "many people are allergic to herbs," then I think it's a great weaken answer against the conclusion you should always use herbs.

The problem is the "certain medicine", which could include herbs, but also could not. We don't know if herbs are included. To see this using an analogy, suppose the argument is: "Because ice cream tastes good, you should always eat it." C would be like saying, "Certain foods are very salty and do not promote health."

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PT142.S4.Q14
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Saturday, Aug 27 2016

To me, the key reason why E is wrong is the word "like lying." The stimulus doesn't say that other people consider withholding information lying, just that "like lying," it's also unethical.

E would be accurate if the argument had said "some argue that this is also lying...but no, there is a distinction between preventing false belief and actively encouraging one. Thus, withholding information is not lying, even though lying is wrong."

But instead, the "like lying" meant that the stimulus isn't applying a moral principle (not lying) to two cases. It's more of comparing two cases to see if they are both unethical, which is A.

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Tuesday, Oct 27 2015

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RC, LR, and LG lessons not in order

I originally planned to knock out each section one at a time. However, the 7sage course syllabus mixes them. I know the 3 sections are all connected (logic reasoning, analysis, etc.), but any good reason for following the 7sage method as opposed to just knocking out all LR, then all LG, then all RC?

Thanks.

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PT127.S2.Q20
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Wednesday, May 25 2016

C is also wrong for enlarging the scope of the argument.

C: "psychotherapy should never be provided..."

Stimulus argues that psychotherapists (People) should not do X, not when psychotherapy (Action) cannot be done. What if I offer high quality psychotherapy? The argument only says psychotherapist shouldn't do it on TV. I'm not forbidden.

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Tuesday, May 24 2016

Thanks @ and @!

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PT148.S3.Q16
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Tuesday, May 24 2016

The key is to see that the argument isn't saying that contemporary art has zero aesthetic points. It's saying it cannot add more points to people, given that there are all these other arts out there.

In this case, saying that the other arts affect the aesthetic value of contemporary art is irrelevant. It's simply not the flaw of the argument.

Another way to see it is: suppose everyone has a scale of 1-10 of aesthetic fulfillment (10 being the max). The argument is saying that, given all the art out there, you can max out 10 already, so contemporary art doesn't "enable people to feel more aesthetically fulfilled." The assumption is that everyone is already at 10, and contemporary art can't add more.

E says, because other arts exist, the contemporary art dropped from an aesthetic value of 2 to 1. So what? That's simply not the flaw in the argument.

On the other hand, D points out that some people aren't maxed out, because they are "severely restricted" from accessing the other art.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-72-section-2-question-10/

I have a quick question regarding #10 from PT72, S2 (the Parliamentary Procedure question), specifically answer D. I bounced back and forth between C and D, and even though I knew D is wrong, I couldn't eliminate it.

Question is reproduced below (it's a Weaken question):

"The traditional code of parliamentary procedure contains a large number of obscure, unnecessary rules, which cause us to quibble interminably over procedural details and so to appear unworthy of public confidence. Admittedly, the code is entrenched and widely accepted. But success in our endeavors depends on the public's having confidence in our effectiveness. Therefore, it is imperative that we adopt the alternative code, which has been in successful use elsewhere for several years."

D: It is not always reasonable to adopt a different code in order to maintain the public's confidence.

The argument is: given X (traditional code, quibble, unworthy of public confidence), thus Y (adopt alternative code). D sounds as though it's slightly weakening the argument by pointing out that it's not always reasonable to do Y given X (to adopt alternative code given the goal of public confidence). What am I missing here?

Obviously, I realized that I am assuming "if X is not always reasonable, then don't do it." Is that the rub? Thanks!

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Saturday, Apr 23 2016

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From 170 to 180

For anyone who is trying to get to where I am, I'm happy to provide any insights. For anyone far beyond where I am, I'm reaching out for help.

I've been tackling the LSAT for a few months now and am somewhat stuck. I started the test doing very badly: -6 on LR, -5 on RC, and missing one game on LG. Now, I'm at -2 or -4 on LR, -3 on RC, and -1 on LG (usually due to stupid reading mistakes). My question is: how to move from a ~170 to a 180 score?

In my case, I know I haven't maxed out yet, since I can occasionally score a 180 during BR. But I always seem to miss a couple during first attempts no matter what. Right now, I'm not confident at all about scoring a 175+ on test day (which is my goal, given my unfortunately terrible college GPA).

I welcome anyone with any insights about how you raised your scores (even by a bit), and happy to provide insights from my end if anyone would like them. Thanks!

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PT134.S2.Q24
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Saturday, May 21 2016

What an amazing apple is not orange question, literally!

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PT145.S1.P3.Q19
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Wednesday, Sep 21 2016

I'm surprised about 19. I decided between A and E, but went with A. I knew E was defensible, but I thought A was more relevant to the author's point.

To me (and I may be wrong), passage A is all about how the transition from women's history to gender, while positive, also "overlooks" how women engages with the world, causing women's stories to "recede into the background," and that something was "lost" in this process. To me, the main point was that the integration of women's history into mainstream history cannot stop at studies of gender, i.e. it is incomplete.

Passage B demonstrated an example of analysis that looks at "gender" rather than "women's history." To me, this exemplifies the need to push beyond gender and further integrate women's history by including their actual stores.

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PT138.S3.Q21
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Saturday, Aug 20 2016

I eliminated D for a different reason.

I don't think the stimulus concludes that Riley's argument was false. Instead, the stimulus says that we should not regard the president's speech as inflammatory "solely on the basis of Riley's testimony," given her conflict on interests.

I actually find this an entirely legitimate use of Riley's testimony. The argument is only saying that her testimony cannot solely implicate the president, but leaves open the idea that the testimony could in some small way support an implication. This is not the same as saying that the claim was "false."

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PT133.S1.Q7
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Sunday, Sep 18 2016

I was kind of shocked by how well everyone else did. I didn't think E weakened at all. The epidemic was 430 BCE. A lot could have changed since then - urbanization, population density, medical knowledge and access - that could naturally explain why Ebola epidemic since are "shorter-lived."

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Monday, May 16 2016

@ the conditional is either unsupported or else subtly irrelevant.

Ah, there's the rub.

The key problem is the assumption: Micro Depleted --> No Micro, because "No Micro" could mean "long enough to harm health" or "for a second." In this case, it means "for a second." If micro is depleted, then temporarily, there is no micro.

However, in the context of "No Micro --> /Health," the "No Micro" means "long enough to harm health," which is a rather different.

Not sure why this wasn't apparent at the time. I was really focused on the group one logic indicator. Thanks a bunch. I appreciate the quick response.

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Monday, May 16 2016

@ The stimulus doesn't allow us to conclude this.

Thanks for the comment. I thought the last sentence covered this?

"micronutrients...which are depleted when grass clippings are raked up..."

Another way to say that is "when grass clippings are raked up, micronutrients are depleted."

Isn't that a conditional statement?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-70-section-1-question-24/

I ran into some issues with a LR question on PT 70 S1 and would love some inputs from other students here. I chose E, which is the wrong answer, but I'm not at all sure why I am wrong.

For #24 (the Macro/Micronutrients question), the last sentence reads:

"To remain healthy in the long run, soils for lawns require the presence of these macronutrients and also trace amounts of micronutrients...which are depleted when grass clippings are raked up..."

Isn't this a conditional claim?

Healthy --> Macro + Micro, and

Grass Clips Raked --> Micro Depleted

Assuming that IF micronutrients are there, THEN it's NOT depleted (which is very reasonable to me), then taking the contrapositive, we can connect the two:

Healthy --> Macro + (Micro --> /MicroDepleted --> /GrassClipsRaked)

(Sorry for the visual representation. Couldn't get the format to look right. But Healthy is connected to Macro AND Micro, and Micro is itself connected to the rest of the chain).

So if you deny the last necessary condition, then you should be able to work your way back. So if Grass Clips are raked, then Micro Depleted, then /Micro (micronutrients are gone), then /Healthy.

I thought E communicated exactly this: "Homeowners who rake up their grass clippings are unable to maintain the long-term health of the soils in their lawns and gardens," which in lawgic is

Grass Clips Raked --> /Healthy

which to me is exactly as above. Where am I wrong?

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Friday, Jan 15 2016

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Inquiry on Question Difficulty

I have a brief question regarding the question difficulty label (i.e. the Question Level from 1 -5) on 7sage. How are these determined? Are they relative difficulty compared to all LSAT questions, or relative to questions of the same set?

I searched the discussion archives and couldn't find anything. Some suggested that it's related to how people responded to the question on 7sage. But that doesn't seem to be right, for some questions (e.g. P38, Sect 1, #21, difficulty level 4), most people seemed to have gotten it right (based on the answer choice distribution).

I would love some insights about this. Thanks!

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Sunday, May 15 2016

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Thanks! I was wondering what PT-A meant...Was more expecting a number, but this makes sense.

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Friday, May 13 2016

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Question: Cambridge PT 5th Section (PT-A)?

I just found a copy of PT74 I bought from CambridgeLSAT awhile ago. It looks like it's got 5 sections, with the 3rd section labeled as (PT-A) on the Answer Key page. There is no label to indicate whether this section came from another PT.

Are there more than 4 LSAT sections? Many different test centers get different combinations? Or am I missing something here?

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PT129.S1.Q18
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Wednesday, May 11 2016

I think another problem with E is scope. Stimulus talks about "toddlers", whereas E doesn't define scope and could be applied to everyone.

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PT146.S3.Q18
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Saturday, Sep 10 2016

The key is the "too." I think if the argument had just said "often," then the last sentence would be the conclusion. "Retailers use promotions often. Promotions of this sort cuts into profits."

But with the "too," it becomes a judgement (inherently a negative thing). "You smoke too much. Smoking is bad for you." Or "You eat too much." "So what?" "Well, you're packing extra calories."

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Monday, May 09 2016

@ Nope. That's still the same mistake; only now you applied erroneously only it once, so you arrived to a different conclusion. If many=some, then C, being "NOT SOME films from the earliest years have already been transferred" would be logically equivalent to "No films from the earliest years have already been transferred"

Ah you nailed it @, I see the problem clearly now. Damn it!

Thanks a million. 30 posts later and there's the rub!

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Thursday, Jun 09 2016

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Could you add me as well? Thanks!

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Sunday, May 08 2016

@ you actually arrived to the right form of the negation of answer C: "no movies have been transferred to acetate".

Thanks for the comments, but let me take my words back. I was lazy and didn't reference the actual language of C, but in looking at it now, it says:

"C: Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate."

IF many = some, then C is logically equivalent to "SOME films from the earliest years of Hollywood have NOT already been transferred to acetate." The negation should be:

"ALL films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate."

So my earlier translation was wrong (apologies), but I think this last negation does weaken the argument. If all old films have already been transferred to acetate, then of course the argument that "some films will not be preserved" is wrong.

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Sunday, May 08 2016

"Not many old movies have already been transferred to acetate"

If many = some, then this should be the same as "SOME old movies have NOT been transferred to acetate" (logically equivalent to above).

The negation of this second sentence is "ALL old movies have NOT been transferred to acetate", or in other words, "NO old movies have been transferred to acetate."

To me, this does weaken the argument.

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The only way to get around this is by recognizing that "many" is not "some".

So "Not many old movies have been transferred to acetate" negates to

"Many old movies have been transferred to acetate", which is logically equal to

"Some old movies have been transferred to acetate"

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Do you see how, depending on whether many = some, the negation yields different results. To me, this proves that "many" is not the same as "some."

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Tuesday, Jun 07 2016

@ I'm going to miss the grind of studying and constantly striving to improve.

I'm in the same boat. I have a full time job, and there were many days of work, LSAT, sleep, repeat. I kind of got used to and maybe "liked" the routine, because I felt focused. When I walked out of the exam, I felt "lost" for a second - what the hell am I going to do when I get home?

But that's all psychological. There's a lot of things you wanted to do throughout the prep time, and you should remember them and do them. There were a lot of friends, films, and fun that I need to catch up with.

But the battle is not over for me yet. Not until the scores come back and I decide if I need to re-take. So for me, I think of this wait time as the temporary respite before the next charge. Improvements doesn't stop here.

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Saturday, May 07 2016

I think a better way to represent this is:

many --> some

but, some --> many is wrong.

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Saturday, May 07 2016

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I think the point of this thread is to say that they are NOT the same. Because if you treat them as the same, you will probably run into trouble.

An example is PT62 S4 Film Preservation question, in which one of the trap answer is "not many films have already been transferred to acetate."

If you think many = some ("some films have not been transferred), then you would negate this as "all films have already been transferred to acetate", which would be the right answer. (Except it's not, because the negation of "not many" is "many").

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Saturday, May 07 2016

Conceptually. If curriculum is limited to true literary text, then "true literary text" becomes the necessary condition:

Curriculum -> True Literary Text

(All materials in the curriculum must be true literary text)

But, the argument says the curriculum must also include "analyzing/understanding text", which is not the same as "true literary text".

So do you see how the argument assumes that the curriculum is NOT limited to just true literary text? (which is E). Because if so, the argument collapses.

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Saturday, May 07 2016

Nice dude!

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Friday, May 06 2016

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What is the negation of "not many"?

How do you negate "not many"?

To me, you can't just dropped the "not". Here's my thought process:

"Not many" seems to be the same as "some not."

"Not many people like apple" = "Some people do not like apple."

The negation of "some people do not like apple" is "everyone likes apple," and this is very different from "many people like apple" (dropping the not in "not many").

So you can't just drop the "not" in front of "many" to negate "not many." Am I right?

Hello! I have a very basic question. This is a bit long, but I appreciate anyone who would provide some thoughts on this.

Q: If an argument commits the necessary, but not sufficient flaw, does it also commit the sufficient, but not necessary flaw?

This question came about after I read two examples in the Trainer:

Example 1: "Everyone who boards the plane has to show his or her ticket to the attendant. Since Tom has shown his ticket, he will be allowed to board the plane."

B -> S

S

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B

The trainer understood this to be a necessary, but not sufficient flaw (S is necessary, but not sufficient for B). But couldn't you also say that B is sufficient, but not necessary for S?

Example 2: "Every time you drink, you end up feeling sick the next day. You say you are sick today. You must have gone drinking yesterday."

D -> S

S

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D

The training understood this to be a sufficient, but not necessary flaw (D is sufficient, but not necessary for S). But similarly, couldn't you say that S is necessary, but not sufficient for D?

When I first read this, I was very confused by the fact that two identical argument structures have two "different flaws," which is why I wonder if the two flaws are the same.

I then read this for a bit and now think that the two flaws are different. The two arguments seem to have different emphasis. What makes the first example a "necessary, but not sufficient" is the keywords "he will be allowed to board," which is different from "he must board." I think, if you were to make this change, the first example would be more intuitively a sufficient, but not necessary flaw.

"Everyone who boards the plane has to show his or her ticket to the attendant. Since Tom has shown his ticket, he must have boarded the plane."

What do you think? Since this is so foundational, I appreciate any comments about this. Thanks!

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PT141.S2.Q15
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Thursday, Jun 02 2016

Damn. I looked at this a few time, and I agree with the comments posted already. A is wrong because "competitor's ad campaign" is not the same as "advice of a competing consultant." We have no idea if they are the same (which is a dumb word-play trick).

But even if you assume they are the same, A is still wrong, because A is compatible with the conclusion that the campaign is "ill conceived." Who cares that sales could be lower without the ad campaign? The point is that sales could be higher if the campaign was better designed, and thus the campaign was "ill conceived."

A would be correct for a different conclusion, say "Thus, the ad campaign did not contribute to sales positively." Or "Thus, the ad campaign negatively impacted sales." Then you can say, nope, it helped a little bit.

I'm not sure how you would realize this on timed exam. I think the key is to pay attention to the conclusion, and make sure the flaw appropriately addresses that conclusion.

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PT131.S2.Q20
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Friday, Sep 02 2016

I think D might be easier to see using an analogy.

Law mandates that no more than 5% of your wardrobe should be red. Inspectors select some of your clothing and found 20% red. Thus you broke the law.

In this case, saying that "inspectors tend to choose clothing that looks red" obviously, unquestionably weakens the argument.

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Wednesday, Dec 02 2015

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LG - Do you begin to recognize patterns?

Hi All,

I'm interested in how other people feel about this topic, especially from LG vets.

I'm practicing LG with the assumption that, as I do more of these, I'll eventually begin to recognize patterns (similar keyboards, rules, conditionals, etc.). Is this true? I was talking to my roommate (who killed the October LSAT with 170+), and he told me that after 100 LG games, "I have never seen one that's similar."

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