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kazrah837

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General · 168 on June LSAT: Want to retake, but how to improve?

kazrah837

Wednesday, Jun 29 2016

Exact same boat as you, got a 168 when I was shooting for 170+

Already registered for Sept and am planning on definitely getting my desired score this time. I'll be working on PT's and doing my best to shave off 3 min from each section

General · Crazy to retake?

kazrah837

Wednesday, Jun 29 2016

Don't do it lol your stats are insane. Focus on your application and have fun at HYS, whichever one you pick

General · 169; worth retaking?

kazrah837

Wednesday, Jun 29 2016

The moment I saw my 168 I immediately signed up for the September retake. I was PTing at about your score (171) and of course test day conditions are a bit different and I got a bit wrecked. I was definitely disappointed, but also confident that with enough dedication and practice I can break through.

169 is absolutely a good score (96th percentile, dang) but I can see how frustrating it is for both you and especially @ to have been so close to the magic 170 range. That being said though, with that GPA both of you actually have a decent chance at getting into Harvard, although you'll probably need a 175+ based on the statistics we have from them. If that is your dream, I am of the opinion that you should definitely go for it. Shoot for the moon, then work backwards after you've given it your best shot.

As for PTs, did you already do the ones before 60? If so, I think the idea above about giving yourself less time for retakes a great strategy.

General · It's Grey!!!!!!!!

kazrah837

Wednesday, Jun 29 2016

@ I'm with you, missed that magical 170 by 2 points and really d'oh-ing at the questions I got wrong

I'm impressed with my improvement regardless (8 point increase in about 1 month from the starter pack) and I'll probably upgrade to Ultimate now that I have seen for myself that this course is the real deal :)

General · Predictions for June 2016 Grey/Gray Day

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 28 2016

@ Yup! You can also check LSAC website, it's on there with your answers and a pdf of the full test. I'm going through and doing a quick mini-BR of all the questions I know I struggled with

General · Predictions for June 2016 Grey/Gray Day

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 28 2016

It's here; I missed by 2 points (got a 168). Gonna retake but still an 8 point improvement from my last one, so not all that bad

General · 141 Diagnostic to 165+ or 170's, Is This Realistic?!

kazrah837

Wednesday, Sep 28 2016

Realistic?

No.

Possible?

Absolutely.

The reason it's not realistic is that for the majority of test takers it's very difficult to stay focused enough to get that high of an increase, especially as a senior in college, due to pressure to finish strong, making the best of your last year, and whatever personal things you have going on. However, if your study ethic is as enthusiastic as your post sounds, it's very possible to reach your desired score range, even from that diagnostic.

Personally, I've used many test prep materials ranging from PowerScore to Blueprint, and prepping with them resulted in an official score of 160 last year. Since that time, using 7sage for a few months taught me much more about the fundamentals of the test and now I PT around a 170, with a high of 176. In my opinion, I don't think there is any other resource necessary apart from 7sage and I'm very grateful to both the staff and the community.

General · 1234

kazrah837

Wednesday, Jul 27 2016

You might be putting too much emphasis on the words that will be on your degree. We hear way too much about law school being just a "numbers game", and there is good reason for it. Rankings are everything to a law school, and huge factors that play into a law school's ranking are their incoming class's average GPA and LSAT; they will likely favor applicants with higher numbers with few exceptions. I majored in two different engineering fields and ended up with a not very competitive GPA, and I know that someone with the same LSAT score who majored in something easy at a grade inflated school will have a huge advantage over me in the application process.

Overall, as long as you have good numbers, you will be competitive at the schools you're aiming at, regardless of what major your diploma will say. Put your health first, good luck with the surgery, and good luck with applying!

General · Predictions for June 2016 Grey/Gray Day

kazrah837

Monday, Jun 27 2016

The suspense~ ;-;

Planning for the September test to take my mind off the wait lol

LSAT · Official September LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Sunday, Sep 25 2016

Ugh I still remember the exact rules lol, even after trying to forget about the disaster that was this test.

Well in general terms, it was a trap to try to map out possible game worlds

But there were 2 key constraints that could be deduced, and those made the questions much easier. One of the questions forces you to deduce one of the constraints.

I really should have done the 5 second meditation trick for that game.

General · Predictions for June 2016 Grey/Gray Day

kazrah837

Saturday, Jun 25 2016

We will find out tomorrow haha

LSAT · Official September LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Saturday, Sep 24 2016

Had 3 LR sections, to me they were much easier than anticipated. Noticed another commenter here said the same.

RC rekt me, I still don't know what lacquer is but I am now biased against it.

Virus game rekt me; I'm finding solace in reading everyone else's rage about it. It was my last game, and I took a few minutes during the writing sample to redraw the whole game. Found out how to solve it but it was way after the fact.

Overall I'm hoping for a generous curve :<

General · Found the brother to our computer Virus Game....well could be the father since it's from 92'

kazrah837

Saturday, Sep 24 2016

I was confident in a -0 for the first 3 games, then when I saw this one...

On the bright side, I managed to solve it... during the writing section after all the tests were taken away. The game traumatized me to the point that I had the whole setup memorized and I just jotted it down on scratch paper. After working with it about a minute I found the trick. :l

General · Starter Pack Success?

kazrah837

Friday, Jun 17 2016

I found the Starter to be quite effective by itself; Been able to improve my score 10 points with the Starter pack to a170. I've managed to PT that score a few times but I'm waiting on June results to see if I scored it, and if I didn't then I will likely upgrade to Ultimate and shoot for even higher.

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Friday, Jun 16 2017

@ said:

^Those questions are over random sections.

Oh geez

Well that shows how well I remember the test after xD

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Thursday, Jun 15 2017

@ said:

@ sadly im in the same boat three LR sections and I can only recall one about fire 400,000 years ago.

Lol Same here with 3LR sections. The fire 400,000 yrs ago Europe one wasn't as tricky to me as the quark and neutron one. All the sections are blurred in my mind Idk which section was experimental anymore.

Anyone remember any of the following LR topics: objectivity of newspaper journalists and new media companies being partisan, a company w/a new central computing system/paper files, returning things on time, a project going over budget, dwarf planets/Pluto, rejecting a politicians proposal, the use of 2 types of camouflage/snake eyes/caterpillars, tearing down a historic building?

I had that exact section you're describing, but I had 3 LR so it might be exp

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 13 2017

There were 23 Q

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Tuesday, Jun 13 2017

kazrah837

Anyone else think the RC wasn't that bad?

I just took the June test today and it seems that the general consensus online is that the RC was incredibly difficult.

For context, RC is usually my worst section, with me going about -6 each time, and LR is my best, where I usually finish with 5+ min remaining per section. I've been studying for years and only sometimes break the 170 wall on PTs.

My issue is that on this test I found the RC surprisingly doable; I clicked with each passage and felt that I fully understood the theme, structure, author's intent, etc. for each passage.

However, I feel that I got bent over and shafted on all 3 LR sections (I had exp. LR) and ran out of time and had to guess at least one question as a result on each section.

To my surprise, everyone on the reddit thread seems to be upset over the RC, with some saying it was the most difficult one they've ever encountered, and are pretty "meh" about the LR. Meanwhile, I'm sitting here feeling pretty confident about the RC but every now and then I have to wipe away the tears gently dripping onto my desk from remembering the LR.

Anyone else in the same boat? I'm starting to feel that maybe I didn't do as well on RC as I thought I did :((/p)

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 13 2017

@ said:

Anyone recall the following LR:

-caterpillars with spots avoiding prey

-being morally responsible for an event if casually involved and intended event to occur

-Pluto planet classification disagreement

Had 3 LR sections and don't recall that at all

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 13 2017

@ said:

Also, the one question for logic games was a carbon copy of one in test prep.

Down to the letters for diagramming.

Damn! do recall which one?

Would you say LG was pretty normal? Anything crazy like we've been seeing/anticipating?

Absolutely not. LG was REAL easy. Even my experimental questions were pretty standard (outside of the beer one just having a lot of iterations). For me it felt like they upped the ante on RC and balanced via games.

Damn! Happy to hear that because RC is my jam and LG, ehhh... not so much.

I would switch places with you in a heartbeat. RC for me is entirely luck based depending on the passage. Some sections (meaning all four passages) I miss zero some sections I miss six. It really just depends on if a subject matter grabs me.

I get you on that, usually I have to force myself into a mindset where I think that each passage is the most fascinating thing I've read all day. For this administration of the test I thought the RC wasn't too bad, each passage was pretty interesting to me.

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 13 2017

@ said:

Also, the one question for logic games was a carbon copy of one in test prep.

Down to the letters for diagramming.

Damn! do recall which one?

Would you say LG was pretty normal? Anything crazy like we've been seeing/anticipating?

Each of the games was familiar; there was no infamous "Virus"-level game (this is my retake since I got rekt by that one)

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 13 2017

I had LR - RC - LR - LG - LR

Still not sure which one the experimental LR was, as what's currently confirmed for the real LR was all only found in my last section.

LG was surprisingly straightforward, games 1-3 made me realize that 4 would be the hard one. Hope that I did as well as I thought I did.

RC also wasn't too bad, but I recall that for the comp. passages I narrowed down almost each question to two choices that were hard to pick from.

LSAT · Official June LSAT Discussion Thread

kazrah837

Tuesday, Jun 13 2017

@ said:

I don't know if this is an allowerd question, please delete if it's not. But the last LR with 25 Q's had a lot of straight line bubbling? Or is it only me

I had the same thing

Admissions · In pilot program, Harvard Law will accept GRE for admission

kazrah837

Saturday, Mar 11 2017

I can confirm from my own experiences that these two tests are not equal in terms of difficulty.

I took the GRE when I was 21 without having studied at all for it and without even knowing the format of the test. I received near perfect scores and became a tutor for the test.

I have studied the LSAT on and off for about 5 years, fully devoted myself to it starting from last year, taken the test multiple times, and have not been able to get past a 168 in an official sitting.

It seems that many other posters also agree that the GRE is a much easier test. While I don't know the exact numbers, there are more people who take the GRE each year, meaning that there are more 99th+ percentile scorers for the GRE than there are for the LSAT. These two premises combined lead us to the conclusion that, should HLS go through with this completely and treat both tests the same (which the wording implies), then it is simply no longer worth it to take the LSAT unless you have a natural affinity for the test.

As noted by earlier posters, the ripple effects of this change won't be felt for years, and the burden that it brings will likely fall upon the next generation of applicants. This will also have an effect on 7sage as a business as well, unless JY and his crew start tapping into the GRE market as well.

General · Has anyone taken both GRE and LSAT?

kazrah837

Wednesday, Jun 08 2016

They're very different tests; the only similarities are that GRE has easier RC and a few LR questions (standard strengthen/weaken questions, the kind you would find within the first 5 questions on an LSAT)

General · Is today Grey Day? [YES!!!]

kazrah837

Thursday, Jul 06 2017

Still waiting, and that confirmed -9 curve isn't making the wait any better :X