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Hi guys,
I scored a 174 on the June test (woo!) but was hoping to score in the upper 170s where I was PTing (average for last five PTs was 177). I realize that a 174 is a great score, but I can't help thinking I can do better. I screwed up on the experimental logic games (misread a direction in one of the games) and so was distracted and anxious for the second half of the test. That said, none of my scores on the individual sections were outside the range that I normally miss. I just hit the top of the missed questions range for everything except logic games. Should I retake? I am aiming for HYS ideally (though I know it's a bit of a crapshoot). I have a 4.03 GPA and good softs (good WE, fulbright scholar). Retake or let it ride?
Thanks in advance for your advice!
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> @llagerfeld240 said:
> Hey all, I'm reviving this thread to say thanks to you guys! I didn't retake, and I got into Harvard, Stanford, and Chicago, and I got the Hamilton at Columbia. I was waitlisted at Yale, but that's a real crapshoot anyway. So you all were right. Thanks for talking me down when I was at my craziest! I'll be attending Stanford in the fall and can't wait. Good luck to you all! And feel free to message me if I can help with any questions about the application process (for anyone still in it).
Those are all awesome outcomes! Congrats! Yale is literally a toss up regardless of your stats once you hit their medians, so nothing you can really do to guarantee a particular outcome with those tricksters. Hail Stanford!
@llagerfeld240 so exciting! Congrats! Hope to be in your position at this time next year :blush:
@llagerfeld240 congrats!
@llagerfeld240 omg congrats!
> @llagerfeld240 said:
> Hey all, I'm reviving this thread to say thanks to you guys! I didn't retake, and I got into Harvard, Stanford, and Chicago, and I got the Hamilton at Columbia. I was waitlisted at Yale, but that's a real crapshoot anyway. So you all were right. Thanks for talking me down when I was at my craziest! I'll be attending Stanford in the fall and can't wait. Good luck to you all! And feel free to message me if I can help with any questions about the application process (for anyone still in it).
Grats!
Hey all, I'm reviving this thread to say thanks to you guys! I didn't retake, and I got into Harvard, Stanford, and Chicago, and I got the Hamilton at Columbia. I was waitlisted at Yale, but that's a real crapshoot anyway. So you all were right. Thanks for talking me down when I was at my craziest! I'll be attending Stanford in the fall and can't wait. Good luck to you all! And feel free to message me if I can help with any questions about the application process (for anyone still in it).
Thanks for your updated input, everyone. @quinnxzhang542 you are probably right that I shouldn't assume I'd get a higher score. That's a good point. My thinking was that I'd have three more months to prep, but how much good will that really do when what screwed me up was a bubbling error? It's probably not realistic to expect to improve my testing average substantially from a 177. Anyway, I'm going to mull it over a bit but will probably at least apply and see what happens.
That's a bummer man. That's a bummer.
I also debated retaking, but what ultimately convinced me not to was that the risk of getting a lower score far outweighed the benefits of a higher score. If you're aiming for scholarship money, your cost-benefit analysis may be different from mine. But judging from your post, it sounds like you'd pick an HYS over a scholarship at CCN; if so, I'm not sure a few points higher would increase your HYS chances so much that it outweighs the risk of scoring lower.
Moreover, as far as I can tell, most people score a few points lower on the real thing than they do on their PTs -- this was certainly true for me, and it sounds like this was true for you as well. It was a bubbling error this time, but maybe next time it'll be a reading passage that doesn't jive with you, or a LG that doesn't click, or one of the other myriad reasons people do worse on the real exam. Unless you start PTing consistently higher than before, I also wouldn't be so sure that a retake would yield a higher score.
Well if you can study and put together an amazing application but I really think Nicole is right here.
A better score wont guarantee anything more. You already have the 4.0 you have a 174 you have great softs, but it matters how you package them, how early you get in and how soon they process your app. Lets say you retest and get a 175 and your app could have been better but is already in. You can test again, but your app is set.
Thats why I would wait, but thats me.
Ugh thanks @stepharizona288. But why not just take the September exam if I'm going to retake? I could submit my application in September, let them waitlist me if they want, then have the second score come through in October (if they even get to my application before then). Excuse my ignorance if I'm missing some pieces here...I've had LSAT tunnel vision, so I'm just starting to worry about these logistics.
Thats the WORST!!!! I made a bubbling error on my test too to devastating results. Personally I would focus on apps get them in and if maybe retake in Dec? If you hit 177+ and they dont offer you a better package, sit out a year, but I doubt that would happen
Thanks, @cmelman95659, good point. And if anyone is still following this thread at all...I just realized I made a bubbling error!!! I went back to erase my answer to godd*mn babbler question (putting the correct answer) and accidentally changed the section over. Which brought me down from a 177 to a 174. Anyone with infinite patience care to update their advice? Still let it ride?
@nicole while I think I agree with your recommendation not to retake, if this person hits 177, they're very likely going to get a Hamilton at Columbia and/or a Rubenstein at Chicago, versus a half ride at one or both. That's a $100,000 difference.
Ok, ok, I won't retake! Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys. I appreciate it. @nicole don't worry, I definitely will be putting every effort into my app!
Thank you for this clarification. I thought the experimental section on LSATS were strictly LR.
All LSATs have an experimental section, though the sections are different between test centers. So one person might have two LG sections, another 3 LR, 2 RC, etc etc. The experimental section is not scored, but you won't know if it's experimental or not.
There is always a 5th sections on all of the real tests, that is called the "Experimental Section" this is an ungraded extra part of the test. It could be an extra LR, RC or LG section but you will NOT know what section it is.
Your LSAT tests only come with 4 sections, so as you practice, you will "add in" a 5th section to replicate true test conditions. You usually do this towards the end of your LSAT studies.
Please excuse my ignorance but could you explain what you mean by "experimental logic games"? Were there 2 logic games sections? I'm new to this test...
I'd be very surprised to see you waitlisted. Make sure your app isn't mediocre. You are up against the best of the best and scores are merely a necessary but never a sufficient condition for top schools.
How about you just contact LSAC and ask if you can give me your score. I'll be more than happy to take it off your hands :).
In all seriousness, I would apply with that incredible GPA and LSAT.
Don't do it lol your stats are insane. Focus on your application and have fun at HYS, whichever one you pick
girl if you don't getcho.....
jk
don't take this test again. congratulations on an amazing score. now go get them coins.
Thanks, guys! I am leaning toward keeping the score. @stepharizona288 good point about retaking to get off the waitlist. That would be what, the February exam? June?
Thanks for responding Nicole. Excuse me. Anxiety is setting in.