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Tuesday, Sep 27 2016

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@ all of those are experimental

Actually, I think they are both real. I definitely remember the communicating if within 50 lightyears question and the other sounds really familiar.

Yeah, I only had 2 LR and the intelligent aliens communicating with earth and the eating cereal were definitely real.

Proctors:

We had three, older, women proctors. We started out with two, and there must have been an extra proctor floating around the building because while the directions were being read, two women came into the room—one announcing she had another proctor for us and showed the third proctor into the room.

I was not a fan of these proctors at all. While they were cheerful and tried to be careful with assigned seating, that's about where their good professional aspects end. They were incredibly disorganized and they were the sole cause of all the distractions during the administration of the test. I'll go in more detail under "irregularities."

Facilities:

The facilities were nice and decently clean. Once you were in the building where the test was administered, there was plenty of signage directing you to your assigned room. And at every hallway junction, there was a proctor or some other staff member with a clipboard with room assignments who was able to direct you to where you were supposed to go. I and others found that very helpful. However, it was unclear when you walked into the building if you were supposed to check in before you go to your classroom, or if you check in for the first and only time upon entering the room. I think that would be helpful information for the LSAC to include on the admission tickets.

The hallways were crowded with everyone waiting to get into their rooms, but once you were in, the classrooms were clean and an adequate temperature. The bathrooms were convenient, but could have been cleaner. I think I saw vending machines with food and drinks on the first floor, which is nice if you forgot to bring a snack.

What kind of room:

We were in a fairly large classroom, but it felt comfortable. It was big enough to accommodate everybody but also not an auditorium. It was all level (there were no stairs within the room) and the room temperature was neither too hot nor too cold. There was adequate light—all fluorescent and no windows— and there was a clock in the back of the room, so definitely bring a watch if you test here.

How many in the room:

At least 100, possibly 125, plus the three proctors. There were 10–15 rows that were 10–15 desks deep. Not every chair was filled, but most of them were. It definitely didn't feel like there were that many people in the room though. For the most part, everyone was quiet and respectful, and the layout of the room made it feel smaller/more intimate than it actually was. We had assigned seats, which slowed us down in getting started, but otherwise, I didn't mind.

Desks:

The desks were what you would typically find in any high school classroom—hard metal/plexiglass-plastic-type desks with the basket underneath the seat and desk top attached to the chair on the right-hand side. They didn't flip up like you might find in a lot of college/some high school classrooms. The actual work surface was smaller than I would have liked—I almost pushed my extra pencils off and almost dropped my answer sheet a couple times—but it wasn't too small. If you didn't have your pencils vertically aligned on your desk they would roll off, which was annoying. The desks were clean and seemed fairly new. They were stable and didn't rock. I was in the front row, but it seemed like some of the desks behind me were not spaced out very well and if you had someone in front of you who leaned back during the test, they definitely would have been over your work space, which I'm sure would have been annoying and distracting.

Left-handed accommodation:

I wasn't aware of anyone who was left-handed in the room, but I also did not see left-handed desks, so I imagine if there were any left-handed test takers, it is unlikely they were accommodated.

Noise levels:

Minimal. Thankfully! The walls were thick, plus it's a small community college, so there was no noise coming from outside in the halls. The lack of windows prevented any noise/distractions from outside as well. Almost everyone taking the test was very considerate and did their best to be silent. No beeping watches. Hardly any sniffling/coughing. The only noise was from the proctors, which I'll get to in the irregularities.

Parking:

There was PLENTY of free parking, which was great. And it was a short walk to the building where we took the test. However, I am very glad I read my admission ticket carefully and examined Google Maps and a campus map in the week before the test because there was NO signage indicating where to park or how to get to the correct building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

We definitely did not start on time. There were lines outside of all the classroom doors past 9 a.m. The proctors didn't start letting people into the rooms until just before 9 a.m. They checked each person's ID and ticket and directed them to their assigned seat. As you might imagine, the assigned seating slowed us down. I didn't have my watch set for the actual time (rather, I had the hour hand set at 7 to help me better visualize how much time I had left during the test), so I'm not sure what time we actually started, but we did not leave the testing room until 2 p.m. and our break was 11:35–11:50 a.m. I guess through deduction, we started around 10 a.m.

There were two students who showed up 20 minutes late, which is puzzling, but that certainly didn't help us get started on time since they had to be directed to their assigned seats and the proctors had already put the seating chart away.

Irregularities or mishaps:

Yikes. Where do I begin? I'm sure this isn't the worst horror story you'll read, but it definitely wasn't pleasant. I have no complaints about the actual facility or other test takers, only the proctors.

First, we were assigned seats in the classroom, which I assumed was to help the proctors stay organized when collecting books, answer sheets, IDs, and tickets. If that was the reason, it failed spectacularly. One proctor was in charge of reading the directions while the other two collected IDs and tickets. The two collecting IDs and tickets, did so with no methodology that would allow them to quickly and easily hand them back out when it was time. This came back to haunt them immediately because they collected our tickets while the head proctor was reading us the directions to fill out our biographical information on the answer sheet—which includes filling out your LSAC account number. All the tickets had been collected before we got to that part, so at least 20 minutes was wasted while the proctors had to hand the tickets back out because no one knew their account number. And then re-collect them. I'm assuming in an attempt to try to make up for that lost time, the head proctor asked us approximately every 15 seconds if we were done filling out the answer sheets, when clearly, we weren't. But, I was willing to look past these minor annoyances figuring I was just being Type-A and overly critical.

The head proctor struggled to read the directions coherently, so I'm glad I had listened to them with 7sage a couple times before the actual test. And once we got started, the proctor distractions continued. During one section, the head proctor was tearing pages out of something—and not doing so quietly. This went on for several minutes at multiple times throughout the section. Additionally, one of the other proctor's phone kept vibrating. I doubt that the people in the back of the room could hear it, but since I was right up front, it was distracting for me. Later in the exam, her phone even audibly rang. It made it all the way through to voicemail before the proctor was able to get to her phone to turn it off. It then made another audible noise indicating a voicemail or other message.

When it was time for the break, the proctors struggled to pass out our IDs in a timely fashion (again suffering from the disorganization). Not even half of the test-takers had their IDs back when the head proctor announced the time we had to be back from break, and reminded us not to leave before we had our IDs. I and a couple other test takers made sure she wasn't going to hold us to the time she originally announced because half of us didn't have our IDs yet, so we couldn't leave and therefore wouldn't get the full 15-minute break. She did end up conceding and waited to start the break when everyone had their IDs in-hand.

When we returned, the proctors again struggled to pass our test booklets and answer sheets out in a timely and organized manner after having not collected them in a way that would facilitate that happening.

Lastly, during the second half-of the exam, the head proctor announced we only had five minutes left in the section we were working on. She was incorrect—we had 15 minutes left. This prompted me and one other test taker to rebut that we should have 15 minutes left. The proctor didn't understand at first and then called the other test taker up to the front and then out into the hall. When she re-entered, she announced to the room she was wrong and we had 15 minutes left (at that point it was more like 12). But that was an incredible distraction and it took me a minute to get my stress level back in check after panicking for thinking I had not well-managed my time.

Other comments:

I ended up writing to the LSAC to complain about the proctors.

Would you take the test here again?

I am taking the test there again in December in an attempt to reduce nerves. Having a sense of familiarity will be helpful for me, but I am crossing my fingers that they have some better proctors. Otherwise, I would be indifferent about taking the LSAT there again.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

Sept 24., 2016

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Wednesday, Oct 26 2016

Thanks, @ !!

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Tuesday, Oct 25 2016

Great points made by Alex Divine. I would add that thinking about the flaw of the argument often times leads me to the assumption. And the easiest way for me to identify the flaw is to think about the argument in two ways. The author/argument:

1. Fails to consider ...

2. Takes for granted ...

So if, for example, here is a simplified argument:

Medicine X has been proven an effective treatment for Disease Y. Mark has Disease Y and it is being treated effectively. Therefore, Mark must be taking Medicine X.

The author in his/her argument (1) fails to consider other treatments for Disease Y that are just as effective as Medicine X, and (2) takes for granted that Medicine X is the only effective treatment for Disease Y.

If you reword the flaws, you will get an assumption like Medicine X is the only effective treatment available for Disease Y.

I hope that's helpful!

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Saturday, Sep 24 2016

@ I had experimental RC.

Experimental RC:

1. Folk Psychology,

2. Physicists and Operationalism, and

3. Trademark Law and Locke's theory

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Saturday, Sep 24 2016

@ I had extremely distracting proctors: phones going off audibly, leaving the room, tearing pages out of a notebook and even announcing there were only 5 minutes left when there were actually 15 mins left. I complained to LSAC.

I had experimental RC.

Computer viruses LG was rough.

LR was kinda easy which makes me nervous that they had really good trick answers...

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Thursday, Oct 20 2016

Sorry if I missed it, but does anyone know what the curve was?

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Tuesday, Sep 20 2016

1. 26/F, Graduated from Ohio University Magna Cum Laude, 3.78 GPA, with a B.S. in Journalism (3.9 major GPA) in 2012. During undergrad I held executive positions in several clubs/organizations and belonged to multiple honor societies. Post-grad worked at two different branding/advertising agencies successively for three years (promoted several times) and now own my own branding service.

2. Well after the LSAT I'm really stressed about my score. I'm planning to retake in December either way, but I'm not sure if I should cancel my Sept score. I feel like I uncharacteristically bombed the LG section. LR felt too easy, like maybe they had really good trick answers. RC I only completed 3 passages. Also, my proctors were extremely distracting and I reached out to LSAC about it (ringing and vibrating phones, tearing paper, mis-announcing time remaining). I need help deciding if I should cancel my score.

Being a non-traditional applicant, it's hard to find good advice for LORs. I have two underway—(1) a practicing attorney and recent law-school grad who I have a close relationship with and who can vouch for my skills and (2) a former professor who can do the same. Should a third be a former manager? Or one of my employees perhaps?

3. (1) I have a history of accomplishing what I set out to do—When I was young, I wanted a horse, so I bought and cared for one (with my own money) when I was 13; I wanted to graduate university with honors, so I did; I wanted to be on my sorority's executive board, so I earned a spot; I wanted to be the first person in the 25-year history of my company (of former employ) to be promoted in under a year, and I was; I wanted to start and own my own small business, and I do. Now I want to become a lawyer.

(2) My personal history with becoming interested in studying law. And how I've made many decisions (big and small) viewing life through a legal lens—whether I realized it or not. It finally clicked within the past year that I had a passion for law. (This seems like the weaker of the two ideas, but you tell me).

I also attended the PCR hearing for Adnan Syed (subject of the Serial podcast) back in February of this year. Would that be beneficial to include and where would it make sense for that to go?

4. Yes, no.

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Tuesday, Sep 13 2016

1. 26/F, Graduated from Ohio University Magna Cum Laude, 3.78 GPA, with a B.S. in Journalism (3.9 major GPA) in 2012. During undergrad I held executive positions in several clubs/organizations and belonged to multiple honor societies. Post-grad worked at two different branding/advertising agencies successively for three years (promoted several times) and now own my own branding service.

2. Being a non-traditional applicant, it's hard to find good advice for LORs. I have two underway—(1) a practicing attorney and recent law-school grad who I have a close relationship with and who can vouch for my skills and (2) a former professor who can do the same. Should a third be a former manager? Or one of my employees perhaps?

I also attended the PCR hearing for Adnan Syed (subject of the Serial podcast) back in February of this year. Would that be beneficial to include and where would it make sense for that to go?

3. (1) I have a history of accomplishing what I set out to do—When I was young, I wanted a horse, so I bought and cared for one (with my own money) when I was 13; I wanted to graduate university with honors, so I did; I wanted to be on my sorority's executive board, so I earned a spot; I wanted to be the first person in the 25-year history of my company (of former employ) to be promoted in under a year, and I was; I wanted to start and own my own small business, and I do. Now I want to become a lawyer.

(2) My personal history with becoming interested in studying law. And how I've made many decisions (big and small) viewing life through a legal lens—whether I realized it or not. It finally clicked within the past year that I had a passion for law. (This seems like the weaker of the two ideas, but you tell me).

4. No, no.

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Friday, Mar 03 2017

@ said:

@ thanks for your suggestions! I copied your descriptions if you didn't mind :)

All good! :)

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Monday, Oct 03 2016

I don't know if this is helpful, but hopefully relatable:

I think casting a patronus charm might be a better analogy for strengthen/weaken questions, where the memory one chooses is the premise and the patronus cast is the conclusion.

For reference, here's Harry Potter learning to cast a patronus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPVCPoe-DgE

In order for a patronus [conclusion] to work [be good or valid], you need to think of a memory [have premises]—not just any memory, a very happy memory, a very powerful memory [premises that give strong support].

Harry's first attempt at casting a patronus was unsuccessful. His memory was too weak and the patronus was not cast. The support from the premises was too weak and a conclusion was not made.

Harry then tries another, stronger, memory. This time he IS able to cast a patronus and fend off the dementor-boggart. The stronger premise supported a conclusion. This first patronus, however, is not nearly as strong as the fully formed ones you see later on in the story that take the form of an animal. Those would be like valid arguments.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7-uO6awVmdM/UHf2O9XYqdI/AAAAAAAAAGo/TAHvhBEEioA/s1600/expectropatronuscopia.jpg

Like JY mentioned in another comment, the DBZ analogy breaks in that it the strength of support cannot be capped out. A fully formed patronus is capped out like a valid argument.

Bonus analogy: Boggarts are like PTs and the real thing will be much much worse... jk ;)

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Saturday, Dec 03 2016

I had experimental LR: 1 with 25 questions and 2 with 26. I'm really hoping the first of the two 26-question sections was real. I found it to be the easiest of the 3 LR sections, but I'm blanking on what any of the questions were!

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Saturday, Dec 03 2016

The companies trading buildings was SO hard! I would take the computer virus game over that one. Didn't finish it.

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Thursday, Mar 02 2017

Love this thread! My two cents:

If you like Serial, Criminal, and Undisclosed, you'll like:

Up and Vanished—re-investigates the disappearance of Tara Grinstead, a beauty queen and teacher from GA

Breakdown—season 2 is better than season 1. Follows Justin Ross Harris case (son died in his hot car)

Accused—re-investigates Beth Andes' murder

In the Dark— re-investigates Jacob Wetterling, currently in development for season 2

Sword and Scale—a lot like Criminal, but a lot darker

If you like Lore you'll like:

Unexplained—similar weekly episodes of creepy, unexplained events

Myths & Legends

If you like Hidden Brain, and Invisibilia you'll like

Crimetown—currently one of my FAVORITES. Dissects the inner workings of the mob in Princeton, RI. Interviews actual mobsters and "wiseguys"

Beautiful/Anonymous—hosted by comedian Chris Gethard. 1-hour anonymous call, "no names, no holds barred." For those with voyeuristic tendencies (said affectionately)

Mystery Show—it's cute

Reveal—takes a critical/investigative look at contemporary issues

Embedded—combine Reveal and Invisibilia and you get Embedded

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One other I'd like to throw out there is Hello from the Magic Tavern. It's a really funny improv comedy podcast recorded from a medieval-esque tavern in an alternate universe called Foon. It's a little heavy on butthole jokes at first, but give it a chance, it gets really funny once you get past those juvenile jokes.

Can't wait to listen to all the other suggestions!

Edit: spacing to make it easier to read, typos

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

@ I thought about that, too, but didn't have any ideas to account for that. Can't hurt to be in the mindset to be overly prepared for a "harder" december lsat though :)

I took the curve data from PowerScore from the past few years (https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/correct_targeted.cfm) and used it to "predict" how tough each of the June, Sept/Oct, and Dec LSATs* are. The more questions you can miss to get a 170 the tougher the exam. Here were the results (in order of toughness) with the average, median, and mode number of misses for a 170:

1. December (A: -12, Me.: -12 , Mo.: -14)

2. September/October (-11, -11.5, -12)

3. June (-10.5, -10, -10)

If you want to see the spreadsheet take a look here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R50NrcEHESugADTvR1Xz4MmyMlJpp9oU3GtYP7vRq5Y/edit?usp=sharing). Scroll to the bottom or see sheet 2 for summary chart.

Good luck to my fellow December takers! And for anyone who hasn't signed up yet, maybe take the June exam. :)

*PowerScore doesn't have February data.

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