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@ oh ok thank you! do you remember the topic of that XYZ game? Like what it was about? Because it doesn't seem to be listed anywhere in the lists of the real LG games

By any chance was this the game that Z had to before X and there was a V and Y?

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Yes, one LR had 26 questions. The other had 25.

I'm so disappointed that the bank game was real.

Same, the other was like all the game sections I have ever done. Games is my strongest section but all these games felt so weird, especially compared to the other set. I felt like they were all somewhat complicated, compared to the first one where the first is usually a freebie and so on. Super upsetting

Same here, I thought I did okay on the other set of games, but the set with the bank game, I had no idea what I was doing.

Games is also my strongest and I was hoping the bank one wasn't real bc in that section I literally got to maybe #13 before I ran out of time. All the games seemed more difficult compared to the usual exams...uuuggh so stressed right now.

It literally makes no sense!!! The game set that was apparently experimental was the one that resembled how most games set look. I’ve done all the games from test 50-86 so I was so used to that structure. In the bank set, i felt it was difficult from the beginning

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Yes, one LR had 26 questions. The other had 25.

I'm so disappointed that the bank game was real.

Same, the other was like all the game sections I have ever done. Games is my strongest section but all these games felt so weird, especially compared to the other set. I felt like they were all somewhat complicated, compared to the first one where the first is usually a freebie and so on. Super upsetting

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I have two LGs. One is about flowers and apartments and one is about scientists. Could I know which one is experimental? I really messed up with the first one... Need to know which one is real to decide if I should cancel my score...

Same thing as you, I had one about columns and that was the one i messed up on. Really need to know!!!!!!

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Make sure you don't stop reviewing after each timed section. I was having the same issue but I eventually realized that I my problem was that I was running out of time for every single section. Then worrying about not having enough time to finish made my accuracy decrease, I wouldn't have realized this though if I would have stopped doing blind review. Even if you know you can get the games on the 2nd try you should still do them a second time no matter what. It helps you to see things that you can't pick up on by just seeing that you missed a certain number. I would advise taking 1 day off of LG work entirely, come back the next day, take a whole section and go through it like you have all the time in the world, push out all the inferences you can before you jump into the questions and draw every sub game board that you can as well (another problem I head when worrying about time was just jumping into the questions without seeing how the rules played out on the gameboard and how they influenced each other). Stop at the 35min mark, notice where you're at, then pick up a red pen/pencil and BR anything and everything you didn't get to. It will take a few tries to notice an increase in your score, but if you don't let the stress get to you, you WILL get there, especially considering all of the work you've put in already. You can do this. Trust me, I was in the same position the week before last and now I do a new section of LG or 2 everyday and I don't miss more than 2. You just have to give yourself time to recognize your very specific issues. It could be that you always misread a rule or never draw out sub game boards, or something like that. Give yourself time to reflect and pick up on these things during BR. After you check your BR score for each game compare that to your actual score for each game and ask yourself why you scored differently. Be as specific as possible when you're answering this question. Write the reasons down directly on the game if you need to, this will only help you to resolve your errors next time. Good luck, I believe in you.

thank you so much, this means a lot, I appreciate you taking time outta your day to offer your insight

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You said that you improved significantly the second time you did the game. Why was that? Is it because you had seen the video explanation, memorized the inferences, knew when to split? Or was it a fresh clean new take without looking at the answers/explanation. If it's the former then your score might be inflated. If it's the latter then your score can probably be attributed, at least somewhat, to panic and more importantly, bad habits.

Are you keeping stock of every item, circling floaters, pushing out inferences with each new rule? Do you read rules multiple times? Do you cross the whole AC for acceptable situation questions? Do you focus on the questions that come with additional premises/conditionals first before tackling the naked CBT/MBT/MBF questions that they generally sneak in as the second or third question of the game? Do you strategically eliminate/skip past answer choices or just brute force your way through? Have you noticed a pattern in the type of questions or inferences you miss? And lastly, do you tape yourself doing games?

The answers to these questions will help you come closer to diagnosing your weakness your LG while doing a section. Once you diagnose it, it will be easier to come up with a plan to solve it.

thanks for your input, and just to answer your question anytime I do attempt it a second time, I never look at the answers or videos. I simply just try it again and notice there were so many inferences I missed that would have saved me time

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I was in a similar boat. Honestly what they say about LG is true. But for some people it takes a lot more time. I'm still not perfect and panic occasionally but I'm a hell of a lot better than I was 3 months ago. I had to push my test date back a couple times and it's made all the difference. If you know you have get a 160 (you're BR implies that you can) then don't stress yourself out by going into the test without having mastered LG.

You said you've done hundreds of questions but how are you doing them? Are you foolproofing each question and keeping track of what types give you the most trouble?

How I've been doing them is usually timed sections then checking answers, something I noticed is that on my first try I won't do great (usually around 12 or 13/22) but on my second try I am SIGNIFICANTLY better (around 20 or 21/22 correct) but after a while I stopped doing games more than once because I know that for sure I can get it on my second try. But on a fresh new set, I always struggle out of the gate

#help can someone explain why E doesn't work? What if something changed between the times the 2 parties analyzed the work weeks that could have possibly led to different results

thanks

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I love that between your two PT's your BR score was higher. This means you are raising your potential maximum score. Keep working on increasing your blind review as well as answering the question about how you could next time achieve some of the points during PT that you got in BR.

For example, if you decide during blind review that question 24 and 25 were some of the questions you could have gotten under time as well you want to ask why didn't you get it? Did you run out of time? Were you rushing? How could you get to question 24 and 25 next time while being calm? -The answers to these questions are going to help you decide on what type of drilling you may need in between PT's that will help raise your actual score to start closing the gap between your blind review score while you keep working on raising that bar.

Thanks for your response, I don't know why but on the Second PT I did I definitely felt way more cramped for time than the first one. I feel like my overall understanding may be improving, but my timing is still way too slow unfortunately

Maybe you felt more pressure to increase your score in the second PT? Whenever I used to feel the pressure to score a certain score instead of just being present with each question, I would be more reluctant to miss questions. This would mean I was slower in moving on from questions that were difficult and in the end I wouldn't have that much time left.

It could also be just a skipping strategy problem. At this point in your prep you should be selectively missing some questions. If your goal is to attempt all 25 questions, you would definitely be cramped for time. But if your goal is to just improve, see if in the first round you can identify 5 questions to miss under 20 seconds -double circle these questions. Then identify other ones you are struggling with but you think you can get in second round -mark these ones by single circle. After you are done with first round, try only doing the ones you circled with a single circle first. These are the questions you have the most potential to get correct fast. If you have any left over time, attempt your double circles. Your goal should be to maximize your potential in PT, you can maximize this by selectively choosing which questions to not spend any time on.

A rule of thumb that lets me see if I am not skipping effectively is I should have completed 5 questions at least in 30-40 seconds, at least one question that I skipped completely in less than 30 seconds (right now for you that should be 4-5 of these questions) and no questions in my 1st round should take over 100 seconds. If any of these things are not happening, I know I am not taking my chances with moving on fast from easy questions when I definitely can and I am not moving on from hard questions fast enough.

thanks for your input I appreciate it

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I'm going through a similar thing right now. Here's my issue: I took the PT, circled all the questions I suspected were wrong, and then after doing BR and grading --- I found out that the ones I was most certain about were actually the ones I got wrong. How the heck does that work?

LOL that is a strange situation for sure, it's happened to me a couple times, for me though I'm noticing for some questions its really coming down to 2 answer choices and I honestly can't decide

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I love that between your two PT's your BR score was higher. This means you are raising your potential maximum score. Keep working on increasing your blind review as well as answering the question about how you could next time achieve some of the points during PT that you got in BR.

For example, if you decide during blind review that question 24 and 25 were some of the questions you could have gotten under time as well you want to ask why didn't you get it? Did you run out of time? Were you rushing? How could you get to question 24 and 25 next time while being calm? -The answers to these questions are going to help you decide on what type of drilling you may need in between PT's that will help raise your actual score to start closing the gap between your blind review score while you keep working on raising that bar.

Thanks for your response, I don't know why but on the Second PT I did I definitely felt way more cramped for time than the first one. I feel like my overall understanding may be improving, but my timing is still way too slow unfortunately

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Two things that really helped me were double BR and drills.

Double BR is when you take a test and score it but you don't look at the answers; you only see which questions you got wrong and then redo them. If you don't feel like you understood it or you got it wrong again, you cut that question out.

Drills really helped too, especially with RC. I did every single RC passage released at least once and doing so allowed me to see my strategies and make changes to my habits when necessary.

Hope this helps!

By every single RC passage what do you mean? Like did you repeat the problem sets in the CC?

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When are you looking to apply for law schools? I know pushing back a test date can suck, but it sounds like that may be your best option if you are committed to at least a 160. 6-8 hours of studying per day is a lot. I'd recommend backing off and studying a max of 4-5 hours per day. At a certain point you stop making gains and it just wears you out mentally and makes you more likely to burn out. As far as the September test goes, it seems unlikely that you will make an 11+ point increase in under two months. It is definitely not impossible though. You mentioned that logic games is your strong section. How many are you missing per timed section? At a 149, it would probably be best to focus some more time and energy on the fundamentals rather than taking a lot of PTs.

To be honest I know burnout is a common issue but mentally I feel completely okay with devoting that much time. I don’t know, before I started studying my school was on strike and I had a lighter semester so I had a lot of time to relax before i started studying. So I just kinda see this as work I shoul’ve been doing anyway had my school continued. For LG im missing around 3 questions. I feel like I really need to improve LR and recognize when to incorporate lawgic into the question, I noticed I didn’t do it during the PT. For law schools, I am looking to apply this cycle as this year 2018-2019 year, will be my final year of my undergrad

@ Thanks for doing this, sounds like a great idea.

I just wanted to clarify..Are we supposed to do this PT under timed conditions and then join the study session (kind of like the BR study groups? or just print the PT and join?

Congrats..that's awesome!

I'd be happy to take a look at it.

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Sent to both of you as well, Thanks!

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Done, thanks in advance!

Anyone else care to take a look?

Thanks for both of your responses. I'm going to try my best in June and see how well I can do..it'll give me a better outlook for the next admissions cycle as well!

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#help can someone explain to me how it is not B? does the essayist not say that you can be either wise or intelligent but not both?

Thanks

Thanks for the advice appreciated guys!

Thank you for your advice

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I would watch the passage summaries and then attempt the questions but in hindsight I think it's better to read the passages and do the questions before watching anything because having JY explain the passage could inflate your score.

Thanks for your input