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Wednesday, Nov 30 2016

For the "last five question" results, why aren't the sample sizes a multiple of 5?

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Wednesday, Nov 30 2016

If (E) is correct, then T left the 1st and 6th message. Then we have four slots, 2 through 5, to fill. But at most one person, T in this case, can leave more than one message. In other words, if T leaves two, then we need at least four persons remaining from among F,G,H,L,P. If T leaves the first, then we cannot have F, because of rule 5: F—>(P & P—T). But if we don't have F, then we also don't have G, per rule 4's contrapositive. That leaves us with at most H,L,P to fill the four slots with no duplicates allowed, so (E) cannot be correct.

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Friday, Dec 30 2016

Sorry if being already registered for Feb. is implicit in the question, but it's now too late to register for it.

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Tuesday, Nov 29 2016

We're looking for an assumption required by the analogy. (B) has nothing to do with analogy. (C) includes the closely-related word "analog" in its explication of the relation between the two things being analogized.

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Tuesday, Nov 29 2016

A contains "your muscles", "you lift", "your maximum weight", etc.

B contains "now scientists think they know."

The quotes from A are not compatible with answer (B). All the quotes are compatible with (D).

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Tuesday, Nov 29 2016

@

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So if your average score of past 3-5 correctly timed stimulated practice test is not within plus or minus 5 of your ideal score.

I suppose this is meant to be something like, if your average score is more than 5 below your ideal score, withdraw. In other words, if the average is higher than ideal-5, there is not a reason to withdraw.

More seriously: how does one select an "ideal" score? How does one gauge how much improvement is possible from one's current state? How can one be confident that one will be more "ready" at some future date?

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Monday, Nov 28 2016

@, your reply reminded me of this note by LSAC that I'd seen before:

LSAC is conducting

research involving LSAT

delivery options for the

future. We are studying

the feasibility of a tablet-

based LSAT administration

system, which will likely be

field-tested sometime in

2015. No decision has

been made regarding

future implementation of

such a system. In the 1990s,

LSAC began researching

the potential for electronic

delivery of the test, and

this is a continuation of

those efforts.

They began researching this more than 16 years ago!

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Monday, Nov 28 2016

But @, overcoming the LSAT qua obstacle costs each applicant at least dozens if not hundreds of hours, does it not? That's a tremendous drain on the legal education economy.

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Monday, Nov 28 2016

I know I've done #1 in @'s list, PT 36 G3 -- six passengers on a bus -- but I don't have it in an LSAC book nor can I find it on this site, not even as a silent video. Does anyone have an idea as to where I might have seen it?

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In another thread, about Logical Games, which I didn't want to hijack:

@BinghamtonDave This is a set that doesn't allow an ounce of hesitation or misreading.

Because this is a skill that's absolutely required for success in law school.

Right? ... Right?

And to anyone, including the LSAC, who says, "Maybe not specifically, but LSAT scores correlate well with success in law school," my response is that you do not understand the distinction between necessary and sufficient conditions.

And somewhat separately, but still within this discussion's title: it's 2016 and not only are we taking multiple choice exams on paper, we're writing essays in pencil?! Is meekly accepting being treated like a child -- or a criminal -- a criterion for success in law school?

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Sunday, Nov 27 2016

OK, just for you guys, @ and @ I paid a fortune to Amazon to get hold of PT9. Before looking at the video for S3 G3 I did basically the same thing that JY did, although I used his "compact" 3x3 board and I didn't split; I just did a 3x3 next to each question. Are you saying what JY did is a chart? If so, then indeed, let's use a chart on this one! I'm thinking that a defining feature of a chart is that it can have cells that are crossed out (JY's practice is to use a squiggle) to indicate that they cannot contain anything; no? If not, what's the defining feature of a chart?

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Saturday, Nov 26 2016

@ OK, I think I see that the stem indicates what's going on by its reference to what is going to provide the support, the stimulus or the AC.

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Near the start of this video lesson in the Causation and Phenomenon-Hypothesis Questions group, JY points out that a stem which says, "Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the ... argument?" is actually a strengthening question and admonishes us not to confuse it with a MSS stem!

Yes, he gives a persuasive reason -- the direction of support is here consistent with strengthening and not with MSS -- but what the hell? If the stem isn't going to indicate the type of the question, why are we reading it first and using it to guide reading of the stimulus?

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A condition stated is "Within each segment, reports are ordered by length, from longest to shortest." For purposes of my question I'd like to emphasize that this condition, like all LG rules, is an absolute rule that must be followed.

We are given no information about the length relation of T to either of W or I. Despite this:

The correct answer to Q1, the typical "acceptable configuration" question, implies T — W (where "—" is the usual notation indicating relative order). If this is a way of providing more information, i.e., another rule, it is unique in my limited experience.

The correct answers to Q5 and Q6 imply T — I.

How can T — W or T — I be required assumptions to answer correctly without our having any information that would support them?

The explanation for this game does not address my question.

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Friday, Nov 18 2016

steve898

Why number our re-written game rules?

The lesson Logic Games Habits for Speed and Accuracy says about re-writing rules in visual language: "Write out rules neatly, close to each other, numbered [emphasis added]."

I have been wondering why JY always numbers his re-written rules. I've not seen any use made of the numbers that helps to answer questions. I can see occasional convenience of reference when, in talking to us watchers of the video explanations, JY deletes or combines or uses a rule. But I'm not as yet seeing a reason for me to number my rules.

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Thursday, Nov 17 2016

steve898

About JY's LG target times...

JY has said that the target completion times shown under the explanation videos are for those who aspire to -0 or -1 per section (I think he intends section score rather than individual game score), and that students who are not yet adepts should expect longer times.

I've just been working on PT 61 S3 G4. I did the game cold and took more than 15 minutes with -1. Then I watched JY's explanation, admired it as usual, and noted that the target time annotation is 10 minutes for this "very hard" game and JY said at the start of the video that it took him a little over 9 1/2 minutes. Then I re-did the game; with no significant delays it took me 13:25 and I was -0. By "significant" I mean more than 5-10 seconds. It took me almost four minutes longer than JY said it took him. What's going on here?

One thing that's going on is that I am quite pessimistic about being able to finish four games on the upcoming Dec. 3 test.

I would love to see a video of JY (or anyone) solving a difficult LG cold in approximately the listed target time. Are there any of those?

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I agree it's easier to see the questions with game elements as initials rather than as the (often bizarre) spelled-out names that appear on the test. But as time is my big hurdle, I'm skeptical that the time it takes to rewrite the questions is worth it. As best I can tell by introspection it takes me little time to do the mental translation. Does anyone want to make an argument that I ought to rewrite the questions?

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Sunday, Nov 13 2016

steve898

PT67.S3.Q04 (G1) - five students

In PT 67 S3 G1 Q4, JY determines that "(A)" is correct for a "which one must be false?" question, and then says, "and you can check the rest; you should check the rest [my emphasis]." Now as we fans of JY know, he very often does not check the rest in order to save -- shall I say not to waste? -- time. What criterion should I use in deciding whether to check the rest?

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(For newbies: this refers to Lesson 18 of Introduction to Logic Games & Sequencing Games)

Does "in time" refer to JY's estimate of the time required as shown with, and stated in, his explanation of the game? I can't think of any other time criterion to use, so:

Is there any reason I shouldn't use that estimate as a hard-and-fast rule, meaning that if I exceed it at all then I should re-do the game? I guess another and totally nerdy way of asking this is: are these estimates the mean of JY's subjective distribution of the time a -0 LG section scorer would take, or are they generous such they are comfortably to the right of that mean? If the former I could chalk up a minor exceedance to variance and move on; if the former I'd have to re-do.

I know this seems a nitpicking question, but I think it might make some difference to me as I'm just starting a rigorous 20-day push featuring 84 games of LG practice.

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I've just gone through the "Grouping Games with a Chart" lessons, and for each of the four games -- two in the lessons and two in the problem set -- as an experiment I did NOT use a chart but instead used a "standard" grouping diagram that allows members to have multiple memberships. Multiple memberships is said to be the condition which dictates use of a chart. In none of the four did I have any more of a problem answering questions than JY did.

Furthermore, for a couple of the games the final question not only added a rule but removed one of the original ones. For these, JY abandoned his chart and started over with a new one. I didn't do this with my diagram, and am unclear as to why JY started over. In each case it seemed easy enough to see the implications of the rule change to my original diagram. JY's motivation for starting over seemed to be that he was afraid he would miss a required change to his original chart.

My challenge: can someone cite a game for which a chart definitely saves time?

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Sunday, Dec 04 2016

@ So, any educated guessed on when we should expect results? December or January? What has LSAC been doing lately?

LSAC's educated guess is Jan. 4

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Sunday, Dec 04 2016

In the other single-post thread @ said,

RC:

-Great Migration of African Americans from North to South

Wrong direction.

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Sunday, Dec 04 2016

@ -18th-Century Church Organ

-Iguanas on an Island

I definitely had those, and I had only two LR sections; I had two RC sections.

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Saturday, Dec 03 2016

I can't think of any reason to arrive early except to allow for transportation contingencies such as traffic. I might "hang around" in my car.

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Saturday, Dec 03 2016

Why do you think phones, mechanical pencils, digital watches, etc. are not allowed? Because LSAC is afraid of miniature cameras for recording test questions or answers. I would be astounded if they administered the same test days later.

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Saturday, Dec 03 2016

LSAC specifies #2 or HB pencils. While they shouldn't care other than for the bubbles, and perhaps for the writing sample, they strike me as people who try to find picayune things to care about.

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Friday, Dec 02 2016

@ For the "last five question" results, why aren't the sample sizes a multiple of 5?

For what it's worth: PT 58 through what was current when the original post was made, PT 77, is 21 PTs --- 20 numbered ones plus the C2. The "last five question" sample sizes are 126 for each section, which is 21 times 6.

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

P.S. For questions like this, a link to the original source video and/or lesson that generated it is a great convenience.

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

I notice that in the first sentence of the blockquote there's an "and", implying that all hunting dinosaurs can do all three kinds of locomotion. But in the second sentence, there's an "or", implying that there may be dinosaurs that can do only one or two kinds.

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

Which video?

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

@ Anyone know if it matters if it is in black/white or color?

I don't know. I reason that it doesn't matter, because requiring color would be an unreasonable requirement. After all, they do advise (re-)downloading the ticket the day before the test to assure its location information is up to date. Requiring everyone to use a color printer in that time frame would be unreasonable.

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

@ Yeah, if you bring that in already filled out, they won't admit you, so make sure you've got an unmarked admit form!

Huh? With what already filled out? The question is about the blanks with "PRINT NAME" and "DATE" on either side of the bottom of the ticket page:

Notice that it's an editable PDF, which is why in the image the PRINT NAME blank has a blue field above it which can have a flashing text entry cursor (the cursor appears in the DATE field in the image, and it can also be blue). Also notice that the form says, "*Do not sign this ticket prior to the test. You will be instructed when to sign your ticket on the day of the test. [emphasis added]"

My answers to the original questions are: as to pre-fill at home or pen at the center, whichever you choose; and I'm not bringing page 2 of the ticket.

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

I'm looking at Q15 and I don't understand what you are asking. I'm afraid that I'm unfamiliar with the "no cause X no effect Y" principle nor how it might strengthen, so I'd need a link or other pointer on that in order to answer directly.

However, I see that the stimulus says, in my paraphrase, that cause X produces more deaths than all other causes combined, and therefore if all X were prevented, deaths would decrease by half.

If you're OK with that argument, suppose I further told you that the sample that produced the statistic included only people who were hospitalized for terminal conditions and predicted to die from their condition within 10 days; still OK with the argument?

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Thursday, Dec 01 2016

Often looking smart about something, as I may appear to above, is a result of earlier feeling quite stupid about it.

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