PDF Preptests

texvd1988

Hey guys,

I believe the answer to this question is no, but are there any methods to obtaining preptests in PDF formats? I have a bunch in standard paperback that I purchased, but I would really like to have a couple of printed out versions for retakes.

inactive

LSAC banned PDFs in April 2015, so no. Not anymore.

texvd1988

@"Dillon A. Wright" said:
LSAC banned PDFs in April 2015, so no. Not anymore.

Ahh, inconvenient. Thank you!

inactive

@vduran1988 said:
Ahh, inconvenient. Thank you!

Agreed. :'(

desire2learn

LSAC is not the most user friendly entity. They do some things amazing well but other things could certainly be improved.

Robert C.

The Kaplan review course provides almost all of the prep tests in PDF format (except the 10 most recent). But the course is more expensive and not worth enrolling in for the sake of obtaining the PTs

Alex

@"Robert C." said:
The Kaplan review course provides almost all of the prep tests in PDF format (except the 10 most recent). But the course is more expensive and not worth enrolling in for the sake of obtaining the PTs

They also are no longer legally allowed to provide the PDFs anymore

Creasey LSAT

Scribd

Alex

@"Creasey LSAT" said:
Scribd

Do they have LSATs on there? I don't have an account on Sricbd, but I'm assuming it is legal?

Creasey LSAT

@"Alex Divine" said:
Do they have LSATs on there? I don't have an account on Sricbd, but I'm assuming it is legal?

Yeah, they have almost every PT before 75. It is not illegal to download what others post on the site, but it may not be totally legal for those who upload their tests. They remove any material instantly if there is a copyright infringement complaint, and most of the PT's have been up on the site for at least a year.

texvd1988

@"Creasey LSAT" said:
Yeah, they have almost every PT before 75. It is not illegal to download what others post on the site, but it may not be totally legal for those who upload their tests. They remove any material instantly if there is a copyright infringement complaint, and most of the PT's have been up on the site for at least a year.

Do you need an account to look at them?

Creasey LSAT

Yes, its subscription based like 10 bucks a month

Alex

@"Creasey LSAT" said:
It is not illegal to download what others post on the site, but it may not be totally legal for those who upload their tests

Sounds shady, lol!

If it isn't "totally legal" for someone to upload, downloading it isn't totally legal either.

Disclaimer: Not a lawyer and I made up what I said above. But it sounds legit, right? haha

cam

If you're looking to reuse the ones you currently own for retakes, why not just make copies or create the PDF's yourself? I make copies of the LG section before I take any test, so I can use it for drilling later.

Alex

@cam said:
If you're looking to reuse the ones you currently own for retakes, why not just make copies or create the PDF's yourself? I make copies of the LG section before I take any test, so I can use it for drilling later.

Yeah - this approach seems legit! You can scan them into your PC and save them as PDFs. And as long as you only use them for yourself, you should be legally ok. (I think)

lawschoolstuff16

Blue print also has PTs on their site. As long as they're not in pdf form you're fine -- but they can still be digital. I know people download the exams and then convert them to PDF though I'm sure that's not legal lol.

Sprinkles

@"Creasey LSAT" said:
Scribd

Lol, I don't think this is a solid approach

desire2learn

I wish there was a way to know what is and is not legal. It seems like so much is based on guessing and rumor. There are so many students who want to study in a legit fashion but would obviously prefer to do it in a convenient fashion (i.e. not hunting all over the internet to buy "rare" PTs, etc.) and reasonable costs. I wish LSAC would address this.

inactive

LSAC can probably go after you for picking up PDFs if they catch you so I really wouldn't go that route.

cam

@desire2learn said:
There are so many students who want to study in a legit fashion but would obviously prefer to do it in a convenient fashion (i.e. not hunting all over the internet to buy "rare" PTs, etc.) and reasonable costs. I wish LSAC would address this.

I bought all of my PT's via Amazon. Unless if you are outside of the US, I don't think that it gets much more convenient, especially if you have Amazon Prime. I have 5 books of tests plus another 8 individuals. I don't have the "rare" tests, but if it is on Amazon, I have it...which means PT's 19-79 with very few omitted from that range. The individual tests were about $6.50/each, and then the books of tests were $20-30 each. If my numbers are accurate, I only spent about $200 on the tests, and have spent far more than that on the other aspects of prep (various books, 7sage course, etc). Testing fees are up there too. I'm guessing LSAC thinks that if people are willing to devote the time and money to take the test (let alone pay for school), they are willing to spend the money for the practice tests.

If we're preparing for a test to get into law school, I don't think prepping for it by committing copyright infringement is a good idea.

@"Alex Divine" unless if I am missing something, creating your own PDF's for reuse is OK. I could be wrong. It strikes me as being the same as if you make copies of tests that you already own. If someone was to start to distribute them, that is where I think things would cross the line. E.g. the difference between printing or saving the quizzes from this course and using them yourself vs. sending the saved PDF's to someone else.

The only way that I think LSAC would get back into distributing PDF tests is if they went to a "streaming" or access control context. Like an Apple Music type of thing (pay one price, get access to the songs that they have, but can't burn/save them), or how we pay for access to this course for a set amount of time.

Alex

@cam said:
@"Alex Divine" unless if I am missing something, creating your own PDF's for reuse is OK. I could be wrong. It strikes me as being the same as if you make copies of tests that you already own. If someone was to start to distribute them, that is where I think things would cross the line. E.g. the difference between printing or saving the quizzes from this course and using them yourself vs. sending the saved PDF's to someone else.

The only way that I think LSAC would get back into distributing PDF tests is if they went to a "streaming" or access control context. Like an Apple Music type of thing (pay one price, get access to the songs that they have, but can't burn/save them), or how we pay for access to this course for a set amount of time.

Yeah, that's what I think as well.