PT 17.2.2:
"Many people do not understand themselves, nor do they try to gain self-understanding. These people might try to understand others, but these attempts are sure to fail, because without self-understanding it is impossible to understand others. It is clear from this that anyone who lacks self-understanding will be incapable of understanding others."
@"Law and Yoda-Brandi" said: @armangrigoryan1999 - Checkout this previous discussion post that list different examples based on the type of flaw. I found it really helpful!
@Ahkneekey said:
PT 17.2.2:
"Many people do not understand themselves, nor do they try to gain self-understanding. These people might try to understand others, but these attempts are sure to fail, because without self-understanding it is impossible to understand others. It is clear from this that anyone who lacks self-understanding will be incapable of understanding others."
one of my favorite examples is "Circular reasoning works because Circular reasoning works" the why part of the argument just feeds into what its attempting to prove.
@armangrigoryan1999, circular reasoning is when a conclusion is based on a premise that is more or less a rephrasing of the conclusion. Though this is the unifying characteristic behind all circular reasoning, I feel like there are a couple of different flavors:
Comparatives:
Joe is taller than Sean because Sean is shorter than Joe.
The French Empire was more successful than their European counterparts at promulgating the values of democracy across the continent; this can readily be seen by the fact that France's European counterparts were less successful.
Clever Rewording
The leader of the opposition party is beloved because he is loved by everyone.
I am infallible, after all, I am not capable of error.
The 'validity' of the argument rests on a prior acceptance of the conclusion (I find these to be the most subtle)
Autocrat: "You must accept my position as Supreme Leader, lawgiver to all, after all, I just decreed as much" [The conclusion - someone must accept the autocrat title's - rests on the premise that the autocrat is in fact able to unilaterally decree things (in other words, that he is in fact a Supreme Leader, lawgiver to all)]
"The word of God is always correct; the Bible says so" [Accepting the conclusion that the word of God is always correct, relies on us believing that the Bible, itself the word of God, is correct"]
Teenager speaking to his parents: "I should be able to eat ice cream for dinner, therefore you ought not to restrict me from doing so" [The conclusion that this teenager's parents should not to restrict him rests on the premise that he should not be restricted in the first place]"
Please call me out if any of these are not correct.
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PT 17.2.2:
"Many people do not understand themselves, nor do they try to gain self-understanding. These people might try to understand others, but these attempts are sure to fail, because without self-understanding it is impossible to understand others. It is clear from this that anyone who lacks self-understanding will be incapable of understanding others."
@armangrigoryan1999 - Check out this previous discussion post that list different examples based on the type of flaw. I found it really helpful!
https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/16979
thank you i'll check it out now
thank you so much
one of my favorite examples is "Circular reasoning works because Circular reasoning works" the why part of the argument just feeds into what its attempting to prove.
@armangrigoryan1999, circular reasoning is when a conclusion is based on a premise that is more or less a rephrasing of the conclusion. Though this is the unifying characteristic behind all circular reasoning, I feel like there are a couple of different flavors:
Comparatives:
Joe is taller than Sean because Sean is shorter than Joe.
The French Empire was more successful than their European counterparts at promulgating the values of democracy across the continent; this can readily be seen by the fact that France's European counterparts were less successful.
Clever Rewording
The leader of the opposition party is beloved because he is loved by everyone.
I am infallible, after all, I am not capable of error.
The 'validity' of the argument rests on a prior acceptance of the conclusion (I find these to be the most subtle)
Autocrat: "You must accept my position as Supreme Leader, lawgiver to all, after all, I just decreed as much" [The conclusion - someone must accept the autocrat title's - rests on the premise that the autocrat is in fact able to unilaterally decree things (in other words, that he is in fact a Supreme Leader, lawgiver to all)]
"The word of God is always correct; the Bible says so" [Accepting the conclusion that the word of God is always correct, relies on us believing that the Bible, itself the word of God, is correct"]
Teenager speaking to his parents: "I should be able to eat ice cream for dinner, therefore you ought not to restrict me from doing so" [The conclusion that this teenager's parents should not to restrict him rests on the premise that he should not be restricted in the first place]"
Please call me out if any of these are not correct.
Jy is the best because he's great