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Is this burn-out?

jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
edited August 2015 in General 844 karma
I planned on doing PT60 today and joining BR group tomorrow. However, I did really bad on the LG which is what I am good at and my mind was clouded when I was doing the third section. I literally could not think and had headache. I just could not take in any information at all. I gave it up and switched to problem sets. Same, I had headache again. Is this burn-out? Do I need to give myself a day off tomorrow? I've been studying for at least 8 hours per day since this summer because I am studying full-time. Any advice for avoiding burn-out? Thank you!!! :)
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  • fishtwentyfivefishtwentyfive Free Trial Member
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    This is burnout. Eat some incredibly healthy food and watch a shitty movie. But give yourself like 3-4 days before you get back to studying. If you continue to study while under the influence of burnout you will literally most likely accomplish nothing.
  • harrismeganharrismegan Member
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    I'm starting to feel the same way :/ and I was wondering the exact same thing. My mind is so fuzzy and problems that were once SO easy seem SO hard. HOW. WHY.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @harrismegan, this feels horrible when I was doing PT. I've been consistently get less than 2 questions wrong in LG. But I bombed PT60's LG. I was trying to focus on the third section but my mind was fuzzy and my headache was getting the better of me. Some simple questions became so difficult to me. If you have the same feeling, I guess we both need to give ourselves 2 days off.
  • nye8870nye8870 Alum ⭐
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    http://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/3499/br-groups-week-of-august-5th-weds-pt59-sat-pt60
    Sorry to hear about the headaches @jyang72 . Maybe a good long sleep tonight will get you past them. Otherwise, perhaps a visit to the doctor is in order. You never can be too cautious when it comes to your health.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @kylemitchellx , you are right. I will take the rest of this week off and begin again next monday. Thank you so much for your advice.
  • eugene.chongeugene.chong Free Trial Member
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    All the advice here is good for dealing with mental exhaustion. I cannot fathom studying for 8 hours a day for two weeks, let alone a whole summer, so I can only guess what you're feeling.

    Get lots of sleep, eat well (cook if you like that), get some exercise, go get drunk with friends, watch TV. Just live your life for a couple days and treat it like vacation, and your motivation and focus levels will be back up.
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    @jyang72 said:
    I did really bad on the LG which is what I am good at and my mind was clouded when I was doing the third section. I literally could not think and had headache. I just could not take in any information at all. I gave it up and switched to problem sets.
    YES. This is classic burnout and very similar to what I have experienced. When you describe your mind being clouded—that's exactly what I've experienced.

    100% take several days off and do not even think about LSAT. When LSAT thoughts come to mind, let them go away. Think 5-7 days no LSAT. Coming back from break prematurely will mean that you perpetuate the cycle and discourage yourself more and more with lowered scores. I experienced about a 5-7 point lag while going through the worst of it. It WILL get better but the only way to get better is to 100% walk away and rest.

    If you still want to come on the forums, the rule is that you must not discuss LSAT subject matter ... just lyfe :)
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    @jyang72 said:
    I will take the rest of this week off and begin again next monday.
    Next Monday meaning not the 10th but the 17th I presume :) If I catch you studying I will torture you with Facebook game requests!!!!
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    And by the way, @jyang72 ... When you come back, you'll be stronger than ever. That's what I experienced every single time I've taken a break and come back. I typically break out of a plateau shortly following breaks. Take courage, my friend! All will be well. Take some muchly deserved rest and have some fun!!!
  • Jsohn001Jsohn001 Member
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    I was in the same boat as you guys, but what better to do then get on a boat and fish to rid the logical fallacies that clouded my mind during burnout!
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @nicole.hopkins I just got your game request on Facebook. Thank you for taking care of me like a big sister. I wish I have a big sister since the fact that I am being a big brother makes me have to take care of my baby sister all the time. haha. Definitely I will take 4 days off since I need to study the LSAT with my best body condition.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @eugene.chong ,I am not a smart kid. All I got is diligence and bravery. I have to study that much in order to compete with other driven lsat takers. But your advice is fully appreciated. :)
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    HAHA ... Yes I have been dabbling in some FarmVille on my own days off but now it wants money ... Don't get sucked in ... Or do, if you enjoy that sort of thing :) I am honored to be in a position to support and affirm your extremely impressive efforts on this journey! Your endurance is truly impressive and you've come a LONG way already. When we work as hard as we do, we sometimes lose sight of the importance of rest. Rest is a necessary condition for success. I guarantee it.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @nicole.hopkins. I just scored 163 last week which is the highest I got so far (6 points away from my goal 169). Then I was too happy and studied even more in order to get more improvement. And I burned out without even knowing I had burn out. You are right, rest is a necessary condition.
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    LOOK AT YOU!!! See, you just gotta trust the process. I actually hit my personal high score right before I crashed into some burnout recently. Interesting how that works.

    Yes, trust the process ... It's going on in your mind even while you're not working on it. And I think our minds get to a certain point of critical mass where we peak and then require time to regroup, rebuild, and grow. We don't take that break time usually ... At least I don't. But I hit that peak score again on Tuesday and I'm on a study break until Tuesday of next week. I can already feel my confidence building. I'm allowing myself to process and enjoy success without interrupting the digestion and rebuilding. So I got some Paleo treats and a nice IPA (Gluten free oddly enough!) and am gonna watch a bunch of shows. And maybe play some FarmVille.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @Jsohn001 , you are right. A healthy body is THE necessary condition to battle the LSAT.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @nicole.hopkins. You are right, I will give myself some days off and read some Charles Dickens' novels and watch some movies. I promise you I will never study during my break. :)
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    @jyang72 you are AWESOME. It requires a lot of courage to commit to a break. I look forward to having you on the calls in the future and hearing stories of your success!
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @nicole.hopkins . please do. I always enjoy the calls with so many awesome and driven people.
  • PacificoPacifico Alum Inactive ⭐
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    I always take a day off or two after hitting a new high score, I find it helps keep things in perspective while letting the lessons learned settle in a bit more, and keeps me humble so I don't think a similar score is going to be handed to me on the next one... Of course, I'm a bit more carefree in my prep in general, but I think the super-preppers especially could learn a thing or two from a more relaxed approach...
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @Pacifico, I was too excited since I've been getting stuck in high 150s too much. My excitement took away my rationality. haha. It seems I need to take a day off every time I hit a new high.
  • nye8870nye8870 Alum ⭐
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    Here is something for you to watch that I found remarkable and without words seems to parallel our lsat study experience. Spoiler: Reminds me of JY's flowcharts.
  • __Juan____Juan__ Alum Member
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    Hmmm are people telling you to take a week off solely for the benefit of your health, or because they're secret gunners? I would take a couple days off, and get back to it when you feel it's organic.

    Try studying using the Pomodoro method.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.phlam.android.clockworktomato&hl=en

    It helps avoid burnout. I changed the work intervals to 35 minutes, the short breaks to 7 minutes, and the long breaks are 21 minutes.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @juan_name , thank you dude. I will restart next monday or tuesday. Haha, I can't afford a week. What does "secret gunner" mean? :D
  • __Juan____Juan__ Alum Member
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    The definition is here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gunner
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    @juan_name I hope you're not serious about that ... That's not how this community works ...
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    @juan_name I assume you're not using the Pomodoro method for timed PT's?
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @nicole.hopkins , I think he was just trying to give me some advice. He did not mean no harm. :D
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @juan_name , I don't think other people were being a gunner. They are just trying to build up a nice community for LSAT takers. Don't take it too serious. :D But I really appreciate your advice.
  • __Juan____Juan__ Alum Member
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    @jyang72 No problem, I hope it helps reduce burnout while letting you study more. They have a video on here that explains the basics of the technique. http://pomodorotechnique.com/

    @nicol.hopkins I hope you're not taking the first part of my post seriously. I take it from jyang72's haha that he took it appropriately. The intent would probably have been better conveyed through a meme but no body gots time for that.

    Your second assumption is correct. I recommended he use it for studying, and did not recommend he use it for PT.
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    @"juan_name" said:
    The intent would probably have been better conveyed through a meme but no body gots time for that.
    HAHA! Yes, the lovely clarity of a meme ...

    This one might have done the trick:

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    @"juan_name" said:
    I recommended he use it for studying, and did not recommend he use it for PT.
    I think this is a great suggestion! I hadn't heard of Pomodoro before you posted it but I see great potential for using it as a tool in my own future studies.
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
    edited August 2015 7965 karma
    @"juan_name" said:
    I would take a couple days off, and get back to it when you feel it's organic.
    And this is good advice :) I think it's good advice for starting a break as well as ... well ... breaking a break!
  • harrismeganharrismegan Member
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    @nicole.hopkins @Pacifico :( I feel like I'm experiencing burn out but I want to be sure.
    I literally just wrote an exam on Monday and scored a 170 w/ BR of 180. Previously, I scored a 168 w/ BR of 175. Today... I wrote and scored a 161. I haven't BR yet.
    The entire exam I felt like I couldn't even grasp what I was reading. My mind felt fuzzy the entire time, it was horrible. I felt like I was experiencing burn out last night, so I stopped studying and relaxed instead. I think I got back at it too quickly, and now I feel horrible about my exam mark. :( blah. #thestruggle.
  • nicole.hopkinsnicole.hopkins Inactive Sage Inactive ⭐
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    @harrismegan said:
    Today... I wrote and scored a 161.
    110% burnout. This is the exact kind of drop in score I've seen (went from a 174 to a 165 in July ... a score I hadn't seen since March). I had a similar experience—that my head was just extra "slippery" and felt very weird and disconnected. I agree that you got back at it too quickly, but hey—I've been there. It's so hard to know! My new thing is like ... taking 5-day+ breaks. And just not doing any study. Like I won't even look at question/curriculum-specific questions on the forums. There are a whole bunch of unread topics on my view because ... I just won't go near them.

    I would say you should consider taking multiple days off. Like, I wouldn't even BR that test you just took. Just walk away. I was fortunate to get a 174 on the test I took on Tuesday and won't touch LSAT until Tuesday. Walking away after a high score is a much more encouraging situation to be in than walking away after a low outlier score, but please be assured that your score was that low because of burnout. That's what outliers are. They just don't represent the actual state of skills. They represent the effects of burnout. Those effects are very real and the effects on performance are sometimes shocking.

    Since you're an athlete, you might relate to some articles on marathon running and burnout. The effects on performance are analogous.
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @nye8870 , this video you post is rather intriguing. We can't always let our study tense up. When it's time to relax, we need to relax. My real experience hit me right on the butt.
  • bSM45LSATbSM45LSAT Member
    edited August 2015 522 karma
    Well I'm glad this thread is up as I just did PT 60 yesterday, and didn't do very well, at least not up to where I was usually for the past 5 PTs.

    I don't want to just jump in and say its burnout, but like I just did the LG during blindreview and got none wrong, whereas on the test I froze up, and in RC. Literally on the test I'm like, is this what burnout is? Is it because I didn't have my protein shake this morning? Or maybe cuz I'm wearing a tighter shirt...

    So basically said fuck it, went boating for 5 hours today, and will BR that test like crazy tomorrow and then by Monday I have to get back to 3 PTs a week.

    Conclusion: BURNOUT IS REAL
  • jyang72jyang72 Alum Member
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    @bSM45LSAT, you are right. Sometimes we don't even realize we burned out until we burn out.
    Realize BURN OUT---------> We BURN OUT.
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