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The DigitalLSAT discussion thread

JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
edited May 2017 in General 3112 karma

I think there should be...or it could be this. Just wondering though.

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  • tanes256tanes256 Alum Member
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    @JustDoIt you just started it! :smiley:

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
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    Yeah.. I'm going to get wrecked because I haven't been working on full RC passages timed. /thread

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    Love this idea for a thread!

    Yeah, eventually there will be, there kind of has to be. The LSAC is a business and more and more law schools will eventually accept the GRE. So they have to keep competitive and it seems like a digital test would help it to become more competitive.

    Not sure when it will go full digital. My guess would be sometime around 2020.

  • Bevs ScooterMinionBevs ScooterMinion Alum Member
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    I sure hope whomever takes the digital pilot test thoroughly reads the fine print on the info sheet that was sent to them by LSAC with their ticket (not saying anyone here hasn't).

    Could be a really short trip to look at a place with bars for a long time, and not the fun kind of bars.

    Would really suck to get 7Sage in trouble too.

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @"Bevs ScooterMinion" said:
    I sure hope whomever takes the digital pilot test thoroughly reads the fine print on the info sheet that was sent to them by LSAC with their ticket (not saying anyone here hasn't).

    Could be a really short trip to look at a place with bars for a long time, and not the fun kind of bars.

    Would really suck to get 7Sage in trouble too.

    I'm not sure I understand -- did it specify that you can't disclose certain things?

  • inactiveinactive Alum Member
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    Updated first post to clarify what can and cannot be discussed.

  • TheMikeyTheMikey Alum Member
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    are you taking it tomorrow?

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @"Dillon A. Wright" said:
    Updated first post to clarify what can and cannot be discussed.

    Thanks @"Dillon A. Wright" ! I had no idea there was an NDA. Damn LSAC not f******* around.

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @TheMikey said:

    are you taking it tomorrow?

    No, I wish I could have. :(

    What about you?

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
    edited May 2017 3112 karma

    I'm not sure if this is protected or not but I doubt it.

    Did anyone else find it weird that we're not allowed writing utensils but are allowed scratch paper? Is this a sick joke?

  • TheMikeyTheMikey Alum Member
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    @"Alex Divine" said:

    @TheMikey said:

    are you taking it tomorrow?

    No, I wish I could have. :(

    What about you?

    nope. was going to but I have finals this week so decided to not do it

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
    edited May 2017 1997 karma

    @JustDoIt said:
    I'm not sure if this is protected or not but I doubt it.

    Did anyone else find it weird that we're not allowed writing utensils but are allowed scratch paper? Is this a sick joke?

    wait wtf.. I didn't notice this yet. Are you referring to this line

    Prohibited nonelectronic items that test takers may not take into the testing center include, but are not limited to, books, dictionaries, rulers, any writing instrument not provided by LSAT test center staff?

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @TheMikey said:

    @"Alex Divine" said:

    @TheMikey said:

    are you taking it tomorrow?

    No, I wish I could have. :(

    What about you?

    nope. was going to but I have finals this week so decided to not do it

    Damn. Well at least you're almost done :) Now to a summer of LSAT!

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @Mellow_Z said:

    @JustDoIt said:
    I'm not sure if this is protected or not but I doubt it.

    Did anyone else find it weird that we're not allowed writing utensils but are allowed scratch paper? Is this a sick joke?

    wait wtf.. I didn't notice this yet. Are you referring to this line

    Prohibited nonelectronic items that test takers may not take into the testing center include, but are not limited to, books, dictionaries, rulers, any writing instrument not provided by LSAT test center staff?

    WTF! Oh man, they must be paranoid about people with like spy pencils with cameras in them or something.

  • TheMikeyTheMikey Alum Member
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    @"Alex Divine" said:

    Damn. Well at least you're almost done :) Now to a summer of LSAT!

    yup!!! I haven't taken a PT since February since I knew I wanted to postpone to September. but when I was PTing, it was varying in the 160's. Been doing some drilling since then and will begin to PT beginning of June! hbu?

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @TheMikey said:

    @"Alex Divine" said:

    Damn. Well at least you're almost done :) Now to a summer of LSAT!

    yup!!! I haven't taken a PT since February since I knew I wanted to postpone to September. but when I was PTing, it was varying in the 160's. Been doing some drilling since then and will begin to PT beginning of June! hbu?

    I basically fell off hard from winter of last year up until not too long ago. Finally I've gotten back into the groove of things this month. I'm seeing some real improvement and it's feeling good! Haven't taken any PTs in forever, but planning on shoring up my games skills first. Right now I'm going through the LG Bundle and making sure my games are where they need to be. I was doing good, but I got rusty due to taking months off. Aiming for Sept/December depending on my progress. I really need a sexy 170+ Most likely December :)

  • goingfor99thgoingfor99th Free Trial Member
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    I'll be taking the Digital LSAT tomorrow at Boston College. I'll check in here tomorrow or Sunday and share whatever details I'm allowed to.

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @goingfor99th said:
    I'll be taking the Digital LSAT tomorrow at Boston College. I'll check in here tomorrow or Sunday and share whatever details I'm allowed to.

    Thanks! Lol love the handle btw

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
    edited May 2017 3112 karma

    I guess this the thread haha

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
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    @Mellow_Z I know. It's legit stupid.

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @goingfor99th said:
    I'll be taking the Digital LSAT tomorrow at Boston College. I'll check in here tomorrow or Sunday and share whatever details I'm allowed to.

    Nice! Have fun, learn a bunch, and share what you're legal able to. I'm curious what kind of pencils ya'll are getting, haha.

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
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    For anyone curious.. the tablet sucks. You can't freely write and mark up passages.. only can use their built in underline/highlight functions that is bound to text.

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @Mellow_Z said:
    For anyone curious.. the tablet sucks. You can't freely write and mark up passages.. only can use their built in underline/highlight functions that is bound to text.

    No stylus provided?

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
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    @Sprinkles said:

    @Mellow_Z said:
    For anyone curious.. the tablet sucks. You can't freely write and mark up passages.. only can use their built in underline/highlight functions that is bound to text.

    No stylus provided?

    There was. The software was just bullshit. Like it gave you the passages in digital format, and I was hoping the stylus basically just functioned as a pencil to where we could mark up the passage and draw all over it. The only interaction we got though, was via choosing the highlighter up top (similar to MS Word) and then dragging the stylus over the text in the passage. It was bound to the text too, so it would sporadically jump across multiple lines and random fuckery. 0/10, don't recommend.

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @Mellow_Z said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @Mellow_Z said:
    For anyone curious.. the tablet sucks. You can't freely write and mark up passages.. only can use their built in underline/highlight functions that is bound to text.

    No stylus provided?

    There was. The software was just bullshit. Like it gave you the passages in digital format, and I was hoping the stylus basically just functioned as a pencil to where we could mark up the passage and draw all over it. The only interaction we got though, was via choosing the highlighter up top (similar to MS Word) and then dragging the stylus over the text in the passage. It was bound to the text too, so it would sporadically jump across multiple lines and random fuckery. 0/10, don't recommend.

    :neutral: this is going to take up so much time.

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @Mellow_Z how did you manage with LG?? scrap paper I'm guessing?

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
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    I liked it much more tbh...except games

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
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    @goingfor99th I was at bc as well. Small world

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @JustDoIt said:
    I liked it much more tbh...except games

    Even though you couldn't write on the tablet besides underline/highlight?

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
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    @Sprinkles said:
    @Mellow_Z how did you manage with LG?? scrap paper I'm guessing?

    Games I didn't like at all. I ended up writing a rule down on my paper wrong, which I'm attributing entirely to the tablet since it has never happened before.

    The tablet is nice in some ways, but overall I think it needs refining. If they let you freehand the passages I'd give it a 10/10.

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
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    They gave you a keyboard for the writing section though.. that was a breeze. Although the keyboard they provided where small as hell. I need some tiny hands to make the normal resting hand layout work on that bad boy

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @Mellow_Z said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @Mellow_Z said:
    For anyone curious.. the tablet sucks. You can't freely write and mark up passages.. only can use their built in underline/highlight functions that is bound to text.

    No stylus provided?

    There was. The software was just bullshit. Like it gave you the passages in digital format, and I was hoping the stylus basically just functioned as a pencil to where we could mark up the passage and draw all over it. The only interaction we got though, was via choosing the highlighter up top (similar to MS Word) and then dragging the stylus over the text in the passage. It was bound to the text too, so it would sporadically jump across multiple lines and random fuckery. 0/10, don't recommend.

    Thanks for the review!

    Seriously though: that sounds like some BS. Especially that restrictive highlighting function.

    Were these Android tablets or something? I know LSAC's cheap ass ain't giving us iPads LMAO!

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @Mellow_Z said:

    @Sprinkles said:
    @Mellow_Z how did you manage with LG?? scrap paper I'm guessing?

    Games I didn't like at all. I ended up writing a rule down on my paper wrong, which I'm attributing entirely to the tablet since it has never happened before.

    The tablet is nice in some ways, but overall I think it needs refining. If they let you freehand the passages I'd give it a 10/10.

    Well it was a prototype test, so I'm sure they'll be making changes as the years progress.

  • goingfor99thgoingfor99th Free Trial Member
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    They made us use a pen. Yuck.

  • goingfor99thgoingfor99th Free Trial Member
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    LR on tablet is awesome. RC is not good because some people notate and the tablet (naturally) does not allow for the highly individualized notation that is critical to the success of many. LG on tablet sucks because you have to use a pen.

    Overall it was a good experience but it needs refinement.

  • goingfor99thgoingfor99th Free Trial Member
    edited May 2017 3072 karma

    I'm also not entirely sure how much the Digital LSAT will do for accessibility considering to best prepare for the LSAT you would need to be able to simulate test day conditions. That isn't very practical unless LSAC plans to release an official test-taking program, which I consider the LSAC unlikely to do given their paranoia surrounding confidentiality. Also, not everybody can afford a tablet, which is a huge accessibility issue.

    I could see the Digital LSAT used in some exceptional cases, like if the test taker can't write or has some other sort of applicable disability, but the LSAT won't be going purely digital any time soon, if ever.

  • goingfor99thgoingfor99th Free Trial Member
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    @JustDoIt said:
    @goingfor99th I was at bc as well. Small world

    I was the douche there with the older guy in the red plaid shirt. :P

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    @goingfor99th said:
    I'm also not entirely sure how much the Digital LSAT will do for accessibility considering to best prepare for the LSAT you would need to be able to simulate test day conditions. That isn't very practical unless LSAC plans to release an official test-taking program, which I consider the LSAC unlikely to do given their paranoia surrounding confidentiality. Also, not everybody can afford a tablet, which is a huge accessibility issue.

    I could see the Digital LSAT used in some exceptional cases, like if the test taker can't write or has some other sort of disability, but the LSAT won't be going purely digital any time soon, if ever.

    Great points, totally agree. Tablets present a huge accessibility issue and simulating test day conditions becomes hard unless we get every PT on the same program.

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
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    Looks like I'm the only person who liked it lmao

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
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    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:
    I liked it much more tbh...except games

    Even though you couldn't write on the tablet besides underline/highlight?

    Why do you need to write on it? What's wrong with using scratch paper? TBH I think this is my one complaint. It would def be cool if you could, though I don't think it's essential. But I would almost prefer this format

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @JustDoIt said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:
    I liked it much more tbh...except games

    Even though you couldn't write on the tablet besides underline/highlight?

    Why do you need to write on it? What's wrong with using scratch paper? TBH I think this is my one complaint. It would def be cool if you could, though I don't think it's essential. But I would almost prefer this format

    I would rather have everything placed together. In LG for example, I'd rather have all the rules/boards written and drawn out directly on the paper/tablet as opposed to doing that on a separate paper. To me, that can waste time and make you more susceptible to making silly mistakes.

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
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    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:
    I liked it much more tbh...except games

    Even though you couldn't write on the tablet besides underline/highlight?

    Why do you need to write on it? What's wrong with using scratch paper? TBH I think this is my one complaint. It would def be cool if you could, though I don't think it's essential. But I would almost prefer this format

    I would rather have everything placed together. In LG for example, I'd rather have all the rules/boards written and drawn out directly on the paper/tablet as opposed to doing that on a separate paper. To me, that can waste time and make you more susceptible to making silly mistakes.

    And this is a fair point. As I said my only complaint is with lg. But I didn't find this to be an issue with any other section

  • AlexAlex Alum Member
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    The problem with doing LG on a separate page is that looking from one page to another can cause one to become distracted looking between the pages and cause a delay between looking at the deductions you've already drawn. This definitely would make me vulnerable to mistakes! So for that purpose too, like @Sprinkles, I would prefer to have the games/diagrams all in one place.

  • goingfor99thgoingfor99th Free Trial Member
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    @JustDoIt said:
    Looks like I'm the only person who liked it lmao

    I loved LR--maybe a little too much.

  • goingfor99thgoingfor99th Free Trial Member
    edited May 2017 3072 karma

    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:
    I liked it much more tbh...except games

    Even though you couldn't write on the tablet besides underline/highlight?

    Why do you need to write on it? What's wrong with using scratch paper? TBH I think this is my one complaint. It would def be cool if you could, though I don't think it's essential. But I would almost prefer this format

    I would rather have everything placed together. In LG for example, I'd rather have all the rules/boards written and drawn out directly on the paper/tablet as opposed to doing that on a separate paper. To me, that can waste time and make you more susceptible to making silly mistakes.

    No doubt. It is something any seasoned test taker would have to prepare for.

    Oh, did I mention they made us use a pen?

    :D

  • SamiSami Yearly + Live Member Sage 7Sage Tutor
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    I do a lot of LSAT studying on my ipad pro and use the apple pencil and it works great. Was this not similar?

    And ditto on LG. It's hard to see the master game board drawn on the first page because it disappears as soon as you go on page 2. I usually cut it and move it over to page 2. But it still takes more space than needed.

  • SprinklesSprinkles Alum Member
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    @goingfor99th said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @JustDoIt said:
    I liked it much more tbh...except games

    Even though you couldn't write on the tablet besides underline/highlight?

    Why do you need to write on it? What's wrong with using scratch paper? TBH I think this is my one complaint. It would def be cool if you could, though I don't think it's essential. But I would almost prefer this format

    I would rather have everything placed together. In LG for example, I'd rather have all the rules/boards written and drawn out directly on the paper/tablet as opposed to doing that on a separate paper. To me, that can waste time and make you more susceptible to making silly mistakes.

    No doubt. It is something any seasoned test taker would have to prepare for.

    Oh, did I mention they made us use a pen?

    :D

    EW. WUT. :neutral:

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
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    @"Alex Divine" said:

    @Mellow_Z said:

    @Sprinkles said:

    @Mellow_Z said:
    For anyone curious.. the tablet sucks. You can't freely write and mark up passages.. only can use their built in underline/highlight functions that is bound to text.

    No stylus provided?

    There was. The software was just bullshit. Like it gave you the passages in digital format, and I was hoping the stylus basically just functioned as a pencil to where we could mark up the passage and draw all over it. The only interaction we got though, was via choosing the highlighter up top (similar to MS Word) and then dragging the stylus over the text in the passage. It was bound to the text too, so it would sporadically jump across multiple lines and random fuckery. 0/10, don't recommend.

    Thanks for the review!

    Seriously though: that sounds like some BS. Especially that restrictive highlighting function.

    Were these Android tablets or something? I know LSAC's cheap ass ain't giving us iPads LMAO!

    Samsungs. Maybe galaxy tab s3? About the height of the short side of paper. They are nice tablets dont get me wrong.. It was all on how they developed the app.

  • Mellow_ZMellow_Z Alum Member
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    @Sami said:
    I do a lot of LSAT studying on my ipad pro and use the apple pencil and it works great. Was this not similar?

    And ditto on LG. It's hard to see the master game board drawn on the first page because it disappears as soon as you go on page 2. I usually cut it and move it over to page 2. But it still takes more space than needed.

    Imagine using your ipad.. but instead of drawing you can only highlight text like in a word document. That's basically what it was.

    @goingfor99th said:
    I'm also not entirely sure how much the Digital LSAT will do for accessibility considering to best prepare for the LSAT you would need to be able to simulate test day conditions. That isn't very practical unless LSAC plans to release an official test-taking program, which I consider the LSAC unlikely to do given their paranoia surrounding confidentiality. Also, not everybody can afford a tablet, which is a huge accessibility issue.

    I don't think they'd care. GRE doesn't release their software.. nor do the other grad tests as far as I'm aware.

  • JustDoItJustDoIt Alum Member
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    @goingfor99th said:
    No doubt. It is something any seasoned test taker would have to prepare for.

    Oh, did I mention they made us use a pen?

    :D

    I agree it. It definitely favored people who knew what they were doing. There was a girl next to me trying to bubble (guess) on as many as she could during the end of the section. Def would have been easier on a scantron

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